Although music has come to mean to me very little (i was a lead guitarist in highschool, but haven't played in many years) ocassionally i look for videos on youtube, and i like a few metal songs.
In this thread you can post your own suggestions for metal music produced in the 00s
No, there is a big difference between heavy metal and its subgenres that evolved from it, and between genres that did not evolve from metal, but rather only tooks elements from it.
Try listening to real metal, youll understand it.
Or don't, because "real metal" is more or less a by-word for "turgid, uninspired crap with nothing more going for it than an inflated sense of superiority". Every major progression in metal has acknowledged influences from outside it's immediate metallic predecessors; it's only the fans, and those fans that fancy themselves musicians, who hold to such narrow-minded boorishness. After all, you yourself posted Opeth, a band with a very diverse heritage, and you didn't stop to dispute the folk or sludge variants which I posted...
"Metal" is descriptive, not prescriptive. This is true of all genres, and doubly so in one as void of a unifying ethos as heavy metal.
Edit: And, because that was depressing, and not in the spirit of this thread, bagpipes:
I love the pre-Anette Nightwish, it's definitely one of the best bands I've ever heard - they all actually transmit something with their music, all the songs are well-written and thoroughly carefully thought-out, Tarja's voice really is very good, and the instrumentals are also very high-quality, they fit right in the music, without the slightest hint of show-off. As a classical musician and metal fan, it should come as no surprise that I love symphonic metal. That being said though, I've heard them live with Anette this summer and it was horrifyingly bad.
"I vinden viskar dödens stämma
Onda stjärnor på himmelen stirra
Bland furor eka ett isande skrik
Urskogens klor i nattlig sky
Ur rymdens svarta djup
Ur rymdens svarta djup"
Spoilertrans by me :
In the wind whispers Death's pitch
Evil stars up on the sky stare
Among pines echo a chilling scream
Ancient forest's claws in the nightly sky
Out of the depths of black space
Out of the depths of black space
Spoiler:
Link to video.
"In their wretched guts all they want is to feed
Unending, covetous hunger known as greed
As the last legion makes it's way to the skies
I can see in their eyes
They've already died
Inside, but as for the outside
I'll take their freaking heads"
"I'm a bastard of Bodom and I walk alone
As I follow the reaper, to lead me back home
My victims shall perish on the shores of this lake
As they look upon me, to stare death in the face "
It was an observation of the tendency for proclamations of "real metal" to go hand-in-hand with narrow musical experimentation and limited development, rigid stylistic doctrines and arbitrary subcultural by-laws. The wording was hyperbole on my part, I'll grant you, and it's true that many bands proclaimed as "real" or "true" metal can be, in fact, quite innovative, but assertions as to such "truth", either from fans or bands themselves, inevitably reflect a narrowness of mind and, in artists, a limited capacity for creative thought.
Aside from anything else, there's the relentless insistence that "true" necessarily equates to "extreme"; metal is not defined by thrash and its direct stylistic descendants.
It is above you and me. It is an intersubjective agreement to accept some and reject some developments. Look at the average ratings of the genres i mentioned compared to the "accepted" ones at whatever rating site.
I do not accept that agreement as a prescriptive value judgement; genre labels exist only to inform a potential listener as to the style of a given song, not to prescribe style, behaviour or reactions. "True metal" is a term without use, especially, as I commented, when there is no central ethos in metal for any given band to be "true" to.
And, because this is, as I have said, a thread for music...
For me, I define metal as the awesome thrash of the 80s. Not coincidentally, I haven't liked any metal since, with rare exceptions like early 90s Pantera. Metal seems to have moved from thrash to black and death metal, which I hate.
You have to hear her live to believe it. I also didn't think she was so bad at first, as I think her voice can indeed work for certain parts, but after what I've seen live.... God that was terrible. Imagine hearing her singing Wishmaster, every note at least a little wrong, with a thiiiiiin little shaky voice, insecure shriek-like sounds everywhere, with everybody else in the band acting appropriately while she was bouncing around the stage clapping her hands above her head, screaming "oh yeah" and acting like a teen girl at her first concert, with a crush on some dude playing in there. That's exactly how it felt like! I would have honestly left if I hadn't been with friends. At least I didn't pay anything (it was outside, in a big square, and you could easily see and hear everything from outside the secluded perimeter).
Also, Tarja was certainly not over the top for me, my guess is that the people who say that actually want a pop-ish band with some orchestra behind it rather than the original Nightwish. Something easier to listen to, like Within Temptation (which BTW, is unbearably pop-ish for me). And don't say that I have this opinion simply because I've heard Tarja first - I discovered Nightwish in a plane, flying to the US, and the only album I listened to within one month of hearing about them is Dark Passion Play, which was already with Anette. I found out about the old Nightwish long after that.
Well, she's still a newbie in Nightwish. To be honest, she has a lot of haters screaming "we want Tarya back!!" I think she started crying once at a concert.
I'd cut her some slack for that. Still, if what you say is true today then I suppose she sucks.
Also, Tarja was certainly not over the top for me, my guess is that the people who say that actually want a pop-ish band with some orchestra behind it rather than the original Nightwish.
If I assume that the "metal community" refers to people who hold views such as yours, then, yes, I do. However, the majority of self-identified metal fans that I have encounter are rather opened minded, enjoying both "true" and "non-true" metal, as well as plenty besides. The extreme-elitist camp, shout as they might, are a disaffected minority who demand no attention.
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