grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
ok, to be 100% clear, i want to confirm that i must offer Spain peace by end of turn date 660AD.
MIC2 - Lightning Chinese Riders
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grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
thanks. i wasn't counting 560AD as turn 1 but was just adding 10 to the date. i will offer peace before hitting space.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
Preflight check: Set research to 90% (-21gpt) for Metal in 7T.
Investigate peace with Spain. She has Metallurgy but will not give it up for peace & 1231g. Instead, I get Economics, Navigation, and 84g.
Build an Embassy in Thebes to see what the Egyptians have in case they go after us. Thebes is 2T from Copenicus but they only have horses, no iron. Her closest iron is the French city of Chartres. She is also not at war with anyone atm.
Trades: Greece: WM & 42g for our WM;
Egypts forces are meager (2 horseman and 3 archers with 3 more archers on the way). However, conquering their land will mean an amphibious landing due to their lousy terrain. I decide to wait to see if they are just passing thru or want to rumble.
IBT: Egypt declares war; Near Detroit: 1 Horseman dies attacking our Rider, promoting it; 1 archer dies attacking our AC on a hill nearby, another forces the AC to retreat.
Greeks are building Magellans; Spanish building Bachs; Salamancas borders expand, giving us salt.
T1: 660AD Elite AC kills an Archer in No-Mans land in the center of old Spain, netting us a MGL Sun Tzu. He runs back to Toledo to form a Rider Army. New Beijing founded S of Greek border in the spot he was located.
Detroit: Elite AC kills an archer (5/6); Elite Rider kills an archer; Reg rider kills a horse, promoting to elite (4/4)
Theres a settler SE of Murcia probably there to claim the iron but I rush the Temple in Mycenae for 20g instead to fill in that border.
Elite AC from Santiago kills an Archer; Elite Rider from Barcelona kills an archer.
I sign an RoP with Spain as well as sell her Ivory for 8gpt. This puts El-Amarna within our reach.
Upgrade the spear near our silks to a Pike.
IBT: Santiago flips to Spain, taking 1 2/5 rider with it. Egypt finishes Copernicus; Indians building Bachs and Smiths and Leonardos. Americans building Smiths; Spanish building Smiths
T2: 670AD Elite rider dies to War Chariot?; vet rider kills WC; vet rider kills longbow; elite AC kills ¼ WC. Move all Riders out of Victoria into position to take El-Armarna next turn. Hurry settler in Madrid and Victoria
T3: 680AD Attack on El-Amarna: Army kills spear; vet Rider retreats; vet Rider kills spear and we take the city + 3 workers
Moving troops up to the Greek border as this Egyptian war seems to be pretty useless. Most of their lower cities will be blocked by terrain.
T4: 690AD move some more units towards the Greek front
T5: 700AD ditto. A lot of civs know Free Artistry
T6: 710AD Move and road @ the Greek front; Peace with Egypt and they pay us 36g.
IBT: Metal -> MT 8T @ 90% (-24gpt); SoZ obsolete but so are the ACs
T7: 720AD Move all Riders out of El-Amarna since the resistance has ended. Leave an AC behind to keep an eye on things.
IBT: America completes Bachs
T8: 730AD Continue improving around Greek border. Greeks have muskets so Im not sure if we want to wait for cav (6T)
IBT: Greek City of Corinth (within strike range) completes Leonardos Workshop
T9: 740AD
IBT: El-Amarna flips to the Spanish, costing us 1 AC and our last dye
T10: 750AD Move some more around.
We are pretty much ready to start taking Greek towns. Im annoyed with the flips but, due to the lack of culture, I can see why they are happening. Well, press on and good luck
Investigate peace with Spain. She has Metallurgy but will not give it up for peace & 1231g. Instead, I get Economics, Navigation, and 84g.
Build an Embassy in Thebes to see what the Egyptians have in case they go after us. Thebes is 2T from Copenicus but they only have horses, no iron. Her closest iron is the French city of Chartres. She is also not at war with anyone atm.
Trades: Greece: WM & 42g for our WM;
Egypts forces are meager (2 horseman and 3 archers with 3 more archers on the way). However, conquering their land will mean an amphibious landing due to their lousy terrain. I decide to wait to see if they are just passing thru or want to rumble.
IBT: Egypt declares war; Near Detroit: 1 Horseman dies attacking our Rider, promoting it; 1 archer dies attacking our AC on a hill nearby, another forces the AC to retreat.
Greeks are building Magellans; Spanish building Bachs; Salamancas borders expand, giving us salt.
T1: 660AD Elite AC kills an Archer in No-Mans land in the center of old Spain, netting us a MGL Sun Tzu. He runs back to Toledo to form a Rider Army. New Beijing founded S of Greek border in the spot he was located.
Detroit: Elite AC kills an archer (5/6); Elite Rider kills an archer; Reg rider kills a horse, promoting to elite (4/4)
Theres a settler SE of Murcia probably there to claim the iron but I rush the Temple in Mycenae for 20g instead to fill in that border.
Elite AC from Santiago kills an Archer; Elite Rider from Barcelona kills an archer.
I sign an RoP with Spain as well as sell her Ivory for 8gpt. This puts El-Amarna within our reach.
Upgrade the spear near our silks to a Pike.
IBT: Santiago flips to Spain, taking 1 2/5 rider with it. Egypt finishes Copernicus; Indians building Bachs and Smiths and Leonardos. Americans building Smiths; Spanish building Smiths
T2: 670AD Elite rider dies to War Chariot?; vet rider kills WC; vet rider kills longbow; elite AC kills ¼ WC. Move all Riders out of Victoria into position to take El-Armarna next turn. Hurry settler in Madrid and Victoria
T3: 680AD Attack on El-Amarna: Army kills spear; vet Rider retreats; vet Rider kills spear and we take the city + 3 workers
Moving troops up to the Greek border as this Egyptian war seems to be pretty useless. Most of their lower cities will be blocked by terrain.
T4: 690AD move some more units towards the Greek front
T5: 700AD ditto. A lot of civs know Free Artistry
T6: 710AD Move and road @ the Greek front; Peace with Egypt and they pay us 36g.
IBT: Metal -> MT 8T @ 90% (-24gpt); SoZ obsolete but so are the ACs
T7: 720AD Move all Riders out of El-Amarna since the resistance has ended. Leave an AC behind to keep an eye on things.
IBT: America completes Bachs
T8: 730AD Continue improving around Greek border. Greeks have muskets so Im not sure if we want to wait for cav (6T)
IBT: Greek City of Corinth (within strike range) completes Leonardos Workshop
T9: 740AD
IBT: El-Amarna flips to the Spanish, costing us 1 AC and our last dye
T10: 750AD Move some more around.
We are pretty much ready to start taking Greek towns. Im annoyed with the flips but, due to the lack of culture, I can see why they are happening. Well, press on and good luck
grs
nameless one
Leo's will just come in time with military tradition - nice!
Aggie
Deity
Got it. I will play now.
Aggie
Deity
IHT: I declare war on Greece. Three riders manage to take Corinth and Leo. That's why I keep the city. Three other riders take Argos. Greece may fall soon. I'm keeping this city as well.
IT: The Greeks kill one rider and take a few crusaders out of Athens.
Turn 1 (760 AD) I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE
One rider is enough to take Athens and the Knight's templar!!
Two riders are killed, but we take out three crusaders. Three riders take Pharsalos. Greece is OCC.
Turn 2 (770 AD) Two rider armies are needed to take Thermopylae. Renamed to Aggieville
:
Hmmmm
We have deals with America. Seems like I have to be a peaceful builder for the rest of my turns 
Turn 3 (780 AD) Science to 30%, Military Tradition still in 1.
IT: Military Tradition is in. Physics in 5 at 100% science. The AI is not far advanced.
Turn 4 (790 AD) Nanking switched to Military Academy. I upgrade 13 riders to Cavalry for 270 gold. Due to Leo.
IT: The Mongols demand furs and I decline. They declare war. This will be a phoney one, too far away. They finish Shakespeare.
India finishes Smith.
Turn 5 (800 AD) We get our first Crusader.
Turn 6 (810 AD)
Turn 7 (820 AD) Science to 80%, physics in 1.
Turn 8 (830 AD) Physics is in, at 100% science ToG in 6. We are tech leaders.
IT: We end a gpt deal with America. 3 Mongol UU's near our lands. Spain finishes Magellan.
Turn 9 (840 AD) We kill the Mongol Keshiks.
IT: The Mongols send 8 new Keshiks.
Turn 10 (850 AD) We can attack America now and Spain next turn. The Mongol Keshiks are a bother though.
IT: The Greeks kill one rider and take a few crusaders out of Athens.
Turn 1 (760 AD) I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE
One rider is enough to take Athens and the Knight's templar!! Two riders are killed, but we take out three crusaders. Three riders take Pharsalos. Greece is OCC.
Turn 2 (770 AD) Two rider armies are needed to take Thermopylae. Renamed to Aggieville
:
Hmmmm
We have deals with America. Seems like I have to be a peaceful builder for the rest of my turns Turn 3 (780 AD) Science to 30%, Military Tradition still in 1.
IT: Military Tradition is in. Physics in 5 at 100% science. The AI is not far advanced.
Turn 4 (790 AD) Nanking switched to Military Academy. I upgrade 13 riders to Cavalry for 270 gold. Due to Leo.
IT: The Mongols demand furs and I decline. They declare war. This will be a phoney one, too far away. They finish Shakespeare.
India finishes Smith.
Turn 5 (800 AD) We get our first Crusader.
Turn 6 (810 AD)
Turn 7 (820 AD) Science to 80%, physics in 1.
Turn 8 (830 AD) Physics is in, at 100% science ToG in 6. We are tech leaders.
IT: We end a gpt deal with America. 3 Mongol UU's near our lands. Spain finishes Magellan.
Turn 9 (840 AD) We kill the Mongol Keshiks.
IT: The Mongols send 8 new Keshiks.
Turn 10 (850 AD) We can attack America now and Spain next turn. The Mongol Keshiks are a bother though.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
I like Aggieville better than Thermopylae 
remind me to set you up again for the next go 'round, excellant work! 
remind me to set you up again for the next go 'round, excellant work!
grs
nameless one
Got it! I will play in about 48 hours from now.
Just a proposal to think about:
We could get Abe into an alliance vs. the Mongols and meanwhile remove Spain (deals run out next turn). Let Abe fight the Keshiks.
On research I guess we will dash to steam power and shut if off completely then, k?
Just a proposal to think about:
We could get Abe into an alliance vs. the Mongols and meanwhile remove Spain (deals run out next turn). Let Abe fight the Keshiks.
On research I guess we will dash to steam power and shut if off completely then, k?
Aggie
Deity
We will kill Spain in two turns and Abe would be next. I would make peace with the Mongols asap and choose Abe as our next target (after Spain).
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
i agree. kill off spain and then america. should be quick with cav and allow us to expand nicely. i have a feeling america will fold quickly as well so we might as well expand thru india(?) too as i believe the terrain starts to become ideal for us up there.Aggie said:
peace with the mongols sooner rather than later will allow us to declare war on them once we're done with america and india.
grs
nameless one
Ok, you are right. MA with Abe would just slow us down, so I'll hold off the Keshiks and then make peace with Temujin.
grs
nameless one
Sorry, but the power supply on my computer broke and the old notbook I am writing on now wont do, so I wont be able to play tonight. I will have a running machine tomorrow and can play then. So either you have to wait one day more or swap/skip me.
grs
nameless one
Got a new power supply and my machine is up and running. I started playing and will finish tonite. Just a quick report: one turn before their elimination the Spanish built a city on a far away isle Think we can get them in our ten turns though.
Think we can get them in our ten turns though.
grs
nameless one
IBT: Mongols keshiks kill 2 wounded cavalries; peace with Isabella runs out
860AD: war declared on Spain; El Amarna, Santiago and Valencia taken; great leader Quialon rises and forms an army; we now own dyes; Mongols wont talk - kill 5 Keshiks
IBT: Mongols kill a cavalry and a crusader, we now can build The Pentagon; Spain settles on far southeast isle
870AD: Pamplona taken, we own Magellan's Voyage; Mongols still won't talk - we kill 3 Keshiks; we rush a caravel
IBT: we learn theory of gravity
880AD: Mongols give peace for 3gpt; workers are moved to the front; towns are built to fill gaps and to get better attack positions
IBT: nothing
890AD: caravel is on its way to Santander
IBT: nothing
900AD: AC is used to run around an quell resisters, I am still confident to hold all Spain cities till we can raze Santander
IBT: nothing
910AD: more troop movement - we are ready for America soon
IBT: nothing
920AD: we land at Santander; war with Abe: raze Buffalo, Chicagoa and Huston - start to resettle
IBT: we lose two cavalries and kill a knight; magnetism researched - we enter the industrial ages
930AB: we raze Santander and remove Spain from the game; we raze Boston and get Seatle down to one archer
IBT: nothing
940AD: we raze Miami and Seattle
IBT: nothing
950AD: movement
America is down to 3 cities on the mainland and 3 other on an isle southeast. We have 3 cavalries on that isle. In theory it might be possible to completely destroy them in our 10 turns - though it will be close I would definetly go for it. We have a second caravel in Tatung, but no troops near (I could not spare any). I built as many settlers as I could in the north to resettle, you will find 3 or 4 of them left. I did not start The Pentagon - another army might be more usefull (with the added movement point they are really a great help in this variant). Abe has no troops left to counter.
860AD: war declared on Spain; El Amarna, Santiago and Valencia taken; great leader Quialon rises and forms an army; we now own dyes; Mongols wont talk - kill 5 Keshiks
IBT: Mongols kill a cavalry and a crusader, we now can build The Pentagon; Spain settles on far southeast isle
870AD: Pamplona taken, we own Magellan's Voyage; Mongols still won't talk - we kill 3 Keshiks; we rush a caravel
IBT: we learn theory of gravity
880AD: Mongols give peace for 3gpt; workers are moved to the front; towns are built to fill gaps and to get better attack positions
IBT: nothing
890AD: caravel is on its way to Santander
IBT: nothing
900AD: AC is used to run around an quell resisters, I am still confident to hold all Spain cities till we can raze Santander
IBT: nothing
910AD: more troop movement - we are ready for America soon
IBT: nothing
920AD: we land at Santander; war with Abe: raze Buffalo, Chicagoa and Huston - start to resettle
IBT: we lose two cavalries and kill a knight; magnetism researched - we enter the industrial ages
930AB: we raze Santander and remove Spain from the game; we raze Boston and get Seatle down to one archer
IBT: nothing
940AD: we raze Miami and Seattle
IBT: nothing
950AD: movement
America is down to 3 cities on the mainland and 3 other on an isle southeast. We have 3 cavalries on that isle. In theory it might be possible to completely destroy them in our 10 turns - though it will be close I would definetly go for it. We have a second caravel in Tatung, but no troops near (I could not spare any). I built as many settlers as I could in the north to resettle, you will find 3 or 4 of them left. I did not start The Pentagon - another army might be more usefull (with the added movement point they are really a great help in this variant). Abe has no troops left to counter.
Aggie
Deity
Good job grs
microbe
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preturn: we are really stretched too much..too many towns are empty. We should stop research after Steam and use the gold to rush units.
IBT American knight loses to our cav.
(1)960AD: Single cav autorazes America. 5 cavs attack Washington, 3 win and two retreat. Still at least two musket in it.
IBT American knight loses to our cav again.
(2)970AD: Rider army kills two musket and we capture Washington. We now control JS Bach's.
IBT we lose a couple workers to American cav. Military Academy completed.
(3)980AD: AC kills cav and promotes. Autoraze Baltimore.
(4)990AD: Cav army and an elite cav capture San Francisco. Rider army and an elite cav capture Atlanta but we lose an elite cav. America is OCC.
Move units toward India territory. It has Nationalism!
(5)1000AD: Autoraze New Orlean, America is destroyed.
(6)1010AD: trade TM with India. Rush two musketmen.
(7)1020AD: I start min research on Medicine.
(8)1030AD: Rush two more musket and a temple.
(9)1040AD: I declare on India.
There are a lot of rifles in Madras. We lose 3 cavs, retreat 5, but kill 4 rifles and an MDI then capture it. So much for this turn.
(10)1050AD: I abandon Madras and found New Chinan to replace it. It's mostly a healing turn.
I left some money to the next player. I suggest we rush some cavs in the front cities.
Note:
Rifles are quite tough. I doubt we can get rid of India within 10 turns. India has almost 3 times our culture so we need to raze its cities.
During the play I met one problem: are we allowed to found cities inside AI territory? I didn't do it, as I think it would make the variant less relevant, because then you can move cavs next to AI city and just settle there and attack. What do you think?
Also, when we get another leader, I'd suggest using it to rush Pentagon, so we could load cavs into the rider armies. A healthy rider army isn't safe to attack fortified rifiel in a big city.
We have a caraval in the north that can pick up a settler and send it to the island to settle.
Roster:
microbe -
gozpel - up
grahamiam - on deck
Aggie -
grs -
IBT American knight loses to our cav.
(1)960AD: Single cav autorazes America. 5 cavs attack Washington, 3 win and two retreat. Still at least two musket in it.
IBT American knight loses to our cav again.
(2)970AD: Rider army kills two musket and we capture Washington. We now control JS Bach's.
IBT we lose a couple workers to American cav. Military Academy completed.
(3)980AD: AC kills cav and promotes. Autoraze Baltimore.
(4)990AD: Cav army and an elite cav capture San Francisco. Rider army and an elite cav capture Atlanta but we lose an elite cav. America is OCC.
Move units toward India territory. It has Nationalism!
(5)1000AD: Autoraze New Orlean, America is destroyed.
(6)1010AD: trade TM with India. Rush two musketmen.
(7)1020AD: I start min research on Medicine.
(8)1030AD: Rush two more musket and a temple.
(9)1040AD: I declare on India.
There are a lot of rifles in Madras. We lose 3 cavs, retreat 5, but kill 4 rifles and an MDI then capture it. So much for this turn.
(10)1050AD: I abandon Madras and found New Chinan to replace it. It's mostly a healing turn.
I left some money to the next player. I suggest we rush some cavs in the front cities.
Note:
Rifles are quite tough. I doubt we can get rid of India within 10 turns. India has almost 3 times our culture so we need to raze its cities.
During the play I met one problem: are we allowed to found cities inside AI territory? I didn't do it, as I think it would make the variant less relevant, because then you can move cavs next to AI city and just settle there and attack. What do you think?
Also, when we get another leader, I'd suggest using it to rush Pentagon, so we could load cavs into the rider armies. A healthy rider army isn't safe to attack fortified rifiel in a big city.
We have a caraval in the north that can pick up a settler and send it to the island to settle.
Roster:
microbe -
gozpel - up
grahamiam - on deck
Aggie -
grs -
