Aggie
Deity
We will conquer the world anyway 
MIC2 - Lightning Chinese Riders
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grs, don't worry. I was not mad at you, just at the situation. 
We didn't make the GLib plan very clear. I did mention it somewhat in my previous turnlog but we never officially formed a team plan for that.
This will make the game more interesting, so probably a good thing.
We didn't make the GLib plan very clear. I did mention it somewhat in my previous turnlog but we never officially formed a team plan for that.
This will make the game more interesting, so probably a good thing.
grs
nameless one
mircobe: thanks for cheering me up 
- could have seen it anyways, even if it was not spoken out. Still think Gozpel or Grahamian get us the techs by pointy-stick-diplo though. We could be up par then again.
- could have seen it anyways, even if it was not spoken out. Still think Gozpel or Grahamian get us the techs by pointy-stick-diplo though. We could be up par then again.
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preturn: I move spear from Sparta to Kaifeng. We should avoid leaving empty towns.
I switch Chinan and Tientsin to marketplace. During our GA we need some infra push.
I cancel galley in Delphi - this is a pangea map, we don't need it.
Also switch Sparta to worker.
Everything else looks good.
Start min on Invention. It's rather weird in this game that AI all go for the upper branch. This is very good news for a warmonger.
(1)460AD: I start pikes in Beijing. We need to cover our empty towns.
IBT Mongols demand TM. I give to him.
Spain starts Smith's.
(2)470AD: We found Ningpo. Start on a worker.
IBT FP completed!
(3)480AD: Spain has Invention. OK time for a..immediate steal on Spain. Before that I demand Invention from her, of course she refused. But we succeed anyway with 834g.
Mongols get invention too..
Invention+WM+27g to India for Banking.
Invention+silks+2gpt+198g to America for Astronomy.
Astronomy to Greece for Music Theory + 2gpt + 28g. Note this doesn't mean we are tied in 20-turn peace as we do not owe gpt payment.
I don't know why AI haven't traded contacts around..
(4)490AD: ZZZ
(5)500AD: I start banks in our capital and FP city.
(6)510AD: Egypt has Printing Press while still lacks Engineering! Seems upper brach is really attractive. I get it plus 17g by Astronomy.
Finally I know why I couldn't see AI full contact: we don't have all the embassies. But I'll save the gold instead.
(7)520AD: Spain has Gunpowder. This is bad news.
IBT India completes Sistine Chapel.
(8)530AD: Our economy is strong: 301gpt.
(9)540AD: Establish embassy with America. It's size-12 with 19spt, 5 pikes inside. Has iron/horses. JS bach's in 16 turns. It has 5 lux.
(10)550AD: I rush a settler from Sparta. Upgrade two spear to pike.
We can declare on Spain next turn. We have lots of riders and ACs in and around Xinjian, Shanghai, Chengdu and Nanking.
One thing I failed to do is building settlers. I only rushed one in my last turn, which is in the north, and another settler due in 2 turns in Xinjian (you can rush). grs left one settler too. I suggest we raze Seville, take Tsingtao so we can capture Toledo next turn, and abandon Tsingtao afterwards. Then use the settler to reach the capital. I suggest we raze the capital unless it builds a useful wonder like Leo's for us.
In any case put as many units as possible in the first turn in captured cities, and only put 1 unit after that. Raze/replace eventually. Spain culture is pretty high.
There is no nice settler factory so we probably have to squeeze one here and there. For example, Shantung and Xinjian can switch to settler now. With more cities captured things might be better.
Now who is going to have the fun?
I switch Chinan and Tientsin to marketplace. During our GA we need some infra push.
I cancel galley in Delphi - this is a pangea map, we don't need it.
Also switch Sparta to worker.
Everything else looks good.
Start min on Invention. It's rather weird in this game that AI all go for the upper branch. This is very good news for a warmonger.
(1)460AD: I start pikes in Beijing. We need to cover our empty towns.
IBT Mongols demand TM. I give to him.
Spain starts Smith's.
(2)470AD: We found Ningpo. Start on a worker.
IBT FP completed!
(3)480AD: Spain has Invention. OK time for a..immediate steal on Spain. Before that I demand Invention from her, of course she refused. But we succeed anyway with 834g.
Mongols get invention too..
Invention+WM+27g to India for Banking.
Invention+silks+2gpt+198g to America for Astronomy.
Astronomy to Greece for Music Theory + 2gpt + 28g. Note this doesn't mean we are tied in 20-turn peace as we do not owe gpt payment.
I don't know why AI haven't traded contacts around..
(4)490AD: ZZZ
(5)500AD: I start banks in our capital and FP city.
(6)510AD: Egypt has Printing Press while still lacks Engineering! Seems upper brach is really attractive. I get it plus 17g by Astronomy.
Finally I know why I couldn't see AI full contact: we don't have all the embassies. But I'll save the gold instead.
(7)520AD: Spain has Gunpowder. This is bad news.
IBT India completes Sistine Chapel.
(8)530AD: Our economy is strong: 301gpt.
(9)540AD: Establish embassy with America. It's size-12 with 19spt, 5 pikes inside. Has iron/horses. JS bach's in 16 turns. It has 5 lux.
(10)550AD: I rush a settler from Sparta. Upgrade two spear to pike.
We can declare on Spain next turn. We have lots of riders and ACs in and around Xinjian, Shanghai, Chengdu and Nanking.
One thing I failed to do is building settlers. I only rushed one in my last turn, which is in the north, and another settler due in 2 turns in Xinjian (you can rush). grs left one settler too. I suggest we raze Seville, take Tsingtao so we can capture Toledo next turn, and abandon Tsingtao afterwards. Then use the settler to reach the capital. I suggest we raze the capital unless it builds a useful wonder like Leo's for us.
In any case put as many units as possible in the first turn in captured cities, and only put 1 unit after that. Raze/replace eventually. Spain culture is pretty high.
There is no nice settler factory so we probably have to squeeze one here and there. For example, Shantung and Xinjian can switch to settler now. With more cities captured things might be better.
Now who is going to have the fun?
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
ok, let's do an over/under on the number of cities gozpel takes.
the number is 7.5 (so no ties)
i take the over
the number is 7.5 (so no ties)
i take the over
Pre-turn - Fix some minor stuff in cities. I have to wait a turn before I can declare.
560AD - Cool, I got half a turn of Golden Age and it's over. Nevermind, the real GA starts now
Try to extort Gunpowder from Isabella, she refuses and I declare war.
Rider army kill 2 pikes and take Tsingtao.
We kill 3 pikes, a knight and a MI in Salamanca, losing no units as they reteat nicely for once. Take the city with 2 slaves.
We take Seville, lose one rider and kill off 3 pikes.
Take Zaragoza, kill 2 pikes, lose none.
Murcia is a tougher nut, lose 2 AC, but kill 2 pikes. There's 2 LB's and a couple pikes in the city.
570AD - IT - Spain elegantly kill off 2 riders and an AC.
Tatung aqueduct -> barracks.
Hangchow aqueduct -> rider.
Kill all spanish troops in Murcia (2 LB's and 3 pikes) and take the city, togehter with 3 slaves.
Remove 5 interfering enemies from the map.
580AD - Not much, except killing 5 units and healing riders. AC's are pretty useless after all.
590AD - Shanghai rider -> rider
Xinjian settler -> rider
Paoting founded -> worker
No enemy units around this turn, setting up for assault on Toledo next turn.
600AD - IT - A LB kills a rider on a mountain, very realistic.
Beijing bank -> rider
Salamanca worker -> temple
Tsingtao worker -> temple
A super-pike in Toledo takes off 11 of 13hp of the army before he dies.
A rider dies as we kill 3 pikes and take the city, with 3 slaves.
Steal Democracy from India for 900g and sell it to Mongols for Gunpowder, 12gpt and some change plus WM.
We have unconnected Saltpeter outside Delphi and another source outside Salamnca's borders.
Spend 1000 gold to rush riders.
610AD - Nanking bank -> rider
Tatung barracks -> rider
Anyang Market -> barracks
We build 7 riders
Rush temple in Salamanca
Set up assault on Madrid. They have no saltpeter yet, so I better move quickly.
620AD - Salamance temple -> court
Murcia barracks -> rider
Zaragoza worker -> worker
Macao market -> rider
We kill 6 annoying pikes and lose 2 riders, but we take Madrid.
Spain knows Chemistry.
630AD - Nothing really. Egypt lands an archer next to Madrid for some reason, is he able to kill our 15 riders and AC's?
Can't be patient, attack Barcelona with the army and kill 2 pikes
Kill another couple of pikes and lose one rider. We take the city with Sun Tzu'S!
640AD - We renew wines deal with America for 2 luxes, 9gpt and 132g and exchange WM's at the same time.
The egyptian archer scurried out of our territory.
Yangchow founded -> worker
We take Detroit.
650AD - Egypt move in 5 units next to Detroit.
I steal Chemistry from Mongols after establishing embassy.
We take Santiago, killing 3 pikes and a longbow, lose an elite rider. 2 slaves.
We take Vitoria, killing 4 pikes and lose one rider.
Spain has 2 cities left.
Egypt is up to something.
We should research now so we get Cavs asap.
560AD - Cool, I got half a turn of Golden Age and it's over. Nevermind, the real GA starts now
Try to extort Gunpowder from Isabella, she refuses and I declare war.
Rider army kill 2 pikes and take Tsingtao.
We kill 3 pikes, a knight and a MI in Salamanca, losing no units as they reteat nicely for once. Take the city with 2 slaves.
We take Seville, lose one rider and kill off 3 pikes.
Take Zaragoza, kill 2 pikes, lose none.
Murcia is a tougher nut, lose 2 AC, but kill 2 pikes. There's 2 LB's and a couple pikes in the city.
570AD - IT - Spain elegantly kill off 2 riders and an AC.
Tatung aqueduct -> barracks.
Hangchow aqueduct -> rider.
Kill all spanish troops in Murcia (2 LB's and 3 pikes) and take the city, togehter with 3 slaves.
Remove 5 interfering enemies from the map.
580AD - Not much, except killing 5 units and healing riders. AC's are pretty useless after all.
590AD - Shanghai rider -> rider
Xinjian settler -> rider
Paoting founded -> worker
No enemy units around this turn, setting up for assault on Toledo next turn.
600AD - IT - A LB kills a rider on a mountain, very realistic.
Beijing bank -> rider
Salamanca worker -> temple
Tsingtao worker -> temple
A super-pike in Toledo takes off 11 of 13hp of the army before he dies.
A rider dies as we kill 3 pikes and take the city, with 3 slaves.
Steal Democracy from India for 900g and sell it to Mongols for Gunpowder, 12gpt and some change plus WM.
We have unconnected Saltpeter outside Delphi and another source outside Salamnca's borders.
Spend 1000 gold to rush riders.
610AD - Nanking bank -> rider
Tatung barracks -> rider
Anyang Market -> barracks
We build 7 riders
Rush temple in Salamanca
Set up assault on Madrid. They have no saltpeter yet, so I better move quickly.
620AD - Salamance temple -> court
Murcia barracks -> rider
Zaragoza worker -> worker
Macao market -> rider
We kill 6 annoying pikes and lose 2 riders, but we take Madrid.
Spain knows Chemistry.
630AD - Nothing really. Egypt lands an archer next to Madrid for some reason, is he able to kill our 15 riders and AC's?
Can't be patient, attack Barcelona with the army and kill 2 pikes
Kill another couple of pikes and lose one rider. We take the city with Sun Tzu'S!
640AD - We renew wines deal with America for 2 luxes, 9gpt and 132g and exchange WM's at the same time.
The egyptian archer scurried out of our territory.
Yangchow founded -> worker
We take Detroit.
650AD - Egypt move in 5 units next to Detroit.
I steal Chemistry from Mongols after establishing embassy.
We take Santiago, killing 3 pikes and a longbow, lose an elite rider. 2 slaves.
We take Vitoria, killing 4 pikes and lose one rider.
Spain has 2 cities left.
Egypt is up to something.
We should research now so we get Cavs asap.
I'm glad I didn't have to attack against muskets, those damn pikes were tough enough.
I think I took 11 cities and we have to take the 2 last cities right away to avoid flips.
But Egypt might put a spanner in the work, they have lots of units by Detroit.
I think I took 11 cities and we have to take the 2 last cities right away to avoid flips.
But Egypt might put a spanner in the work, they have lots of units by Detroit.
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Nice work! Seems our variant rules were too easy for you. With only 2 cities left I'd wipe out Spain completely. Rush settler from those cities would help too.
Remember no attack from AI territory.
microbe
gozpel - just took 11 cities
grahamiam - up
Aggie - on deck
grs
With only 2 cities left I'd wipe out Spain completely. Rush settler from those cities would help too.Remember no attack from AI territory.
microbe
gozpel - just took 11 cities
grahamiam - up
Aggie - on deck
grs
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
haha, always take the over with gozpel, especially when playing emperor 
i got it but I won't play till tomorrow. i stained our deck today in the hot sun and only have enough brain power for 1 tonight.
i got it but I won't play till tomorrow. i stained our deck today in the hot sun and only have enough brain power for 1 tonight.
Aggie
Deity
microbe said:Nice work! Seems our variant rules were too easy for you.
But according to the rules grahamian has to do it next turn?
microbe
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Yes, make the rule clear:
The turn we declare war is the turn 1. At end of turn 10 (or later) we have to make peace if the AI agrees to pay us.
Gozpel declared at his first turn, so we have to accept peace offer next turn.
Thanks for reminding us.
Then we can turn to Greece, if Egypt turns out to be a good AI.
The turn we declare war is the turn 1. At end of turn 10 (or later) we have to make peace if the AI agrees to pay us.
Gozpel declared at his first turn, so we have to accept peace offer next turn.
Thanks for reminding us.
Then we can turn to Greece, if Egypt turns out to be a good AI.
Aggie
Deity
So we don't have to make peace unless they come with an offer? I am sure that they want to pay for peace should we contact them.
Aggie
Deity
Then grahamian must make sure that we don't have to contact them and kill them next turn?
grs
nameless one
Aggie: no, if I understand it correct, we have to ask Spain if it wants to pay for peace - which is sure they will - and take what they give to make peace. Looking at the save its improbable if not impossible to capture Pamplona and Valencia in the next turn. So we have to face a period of hughe cultural pressure on the taken cities for at least 20 turns.
The Egypt stack near Detroit really looks suspicious. We should ask them to leave and have them declare before they do in their turns and get initiative. We'd either need a ROP with France or delcare in them too and France has a really ugly mountain ridge to cross.
The Egypt stack near Detroit really looks suspicious. We should ask them to leave and have them declare before they do in their turns and get initiative. We'd either need a ROP with France or delcare in them too and France has a really ugly mountain ridge to cross.
Aggie
Deity
I'm only asking to get things 100% clear and there was still room for different explanations of the rules
Anyway, we indeed should look at what Egypt wants with us. Demanding them to leave is the logical thing to do.
By the way grs: I don't see cultural overlap with Spain. That cultural pressure shouldn't be too bad.
Anyway, we indeed should look at what Egypt wants with us. Demanding them to leave is the logical thing to do.
By the way grs: I don't see cultural overlap with Spain. That cultural pressure shouldn't be too bad.
grs
nameless one
If I use the FlipCalc correctly I get about 5,5% for Madrid and Barcelona and 14,5% for Vitoria. Sure we can starve them down, but Spain has about 5 times our total culture - that's what worries me a bit because we will not be allowed to recapture! That makes it a hard deceision to garrison or not.
