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Mickey Mouse In Space -- Disney Buys Lucasfilm

What exactly was the premise? Make new Star Wars movies, cash in on whatever the result is no matter how good or horrible?
Things I liked about the premise:

- what JoanK said

- the machinations of Palpatine to become Emperor (the political maneuvering and manipulations, the fake civil war, the fake invasion, etc.)

- the close relationship between Obi-Wan and Anakin and the inevitable falling out

- umm... I'm sure there's something else...

Of course, the above are outweighed by the staggering amount of negatives.
 
The concept itself beyond Palpatine's manipulation and the slow decay of the Republic into an Empire was great.

It just suffered from abysymal execution.
 
Besides Hayden Christensen, Jar-Jar Binks, and the awful scripts, they're not half-bad. That wasn't intended to sound so much like a backhanded compliment, but that's how I feel - that they were good movies, but ultimately marred by poor execution and a few damning flaws, making them bad movies, if that makes sense.

No, Hayden and the scripts were almost uniformly good (with a few groan-worthy bits). Even Jar-Jar was mostly tolerable despite being mostly useless, much as Threepio was in the OT. I'd say that the main problems were:

- Samuel L. Jackson obviously being miscast (he seems terminally bored, if not pissed off about not being allowed to scream obscenities)

- Natalie Portman's acting

- Jake Lloyd's acting in Ep1

- Too much use of CGI where puppets would have been more appropriate, with the exception of Yoda, whose Episode I puppet was the ugliest, most horrible thing ever seen in any of the SW movies.

- frequent spotty bits and minor complaints: the occasional awkward or pedestrian bit of dialog like "you're breaking my heart", the literal "rolling through a field of flowers" scene in Ep2, a certain shot in Ep3 where Natalie Portman had the most horrible hair and makeup job of her entire acting career, too much Jar-Jar in Ep1 (not the fact that he exists, just the fact that he gets too much dialog and screen time).

- basically Episode I in general

^^No, it's OK. I haven't dismissed them because of anything I've heard, really. It's just that life is short and those films look plainly targeted towards children. Or certainly young adults. And I get bored easily.

Oh, hell no only Ep1. Ep2 was much more mature and Ep3 was the only SW movie to score a PG-13 rating.

Michael Bay

Hey, my childhood still hurts from where he raped it so hard, but he's a good director. Baycam is not shakeycam. Shakeycam is something that you see in Battlestar Galactica. Baycam is when the camera is held very, very close to the ground during highway chase scenes.

Bay DOES commit a few sins, mostly excessive use of slow motion, fast cuts, and the sun being obscured by characters and objects (a day goes by in about 10-20 minutes in Baytime to maximize the number of sunrise/sunset shots), but shakeycam is not one of those sins.
 
No, Hayden and the scripts were almost uniformly good (with a few groan-worthy bits). Even Jar-Jar was mostly tolerable despite being mostly useless, much as Threepio was in the OT. I'd say that the main problems were:

- Samuel L. Jackson obviously being miscast (he seems terminally bored, if not pissed off about not being allowed to scream obscenities)

- Natalie Portman's acting

Wait, Hayden Christensen and the script were the good parts, and Samuel Jackson and Natalie Portman were the bad parts? Are you taking crazy pills or something?
 
- Samuel L. Jackson obviously being miscast (he seems terminally bored, if not pissed off about not being allowed to scream obscenities)
Are you taking crazy pills or something?

Bizarrely, my flatmate said that to me just this evening. It's clearly not a unique view.
 
Wait, Hayden Christensen and the script were the good parts, and Samuel Jackson and Natalie Portman were the bad parts? Are you taking crazy pills or something?

Hey, I love Natalie and Samuel Motherf***ing Jackson as much as any manly male. But her acting was simply atrocious in the prequels, and he desperately needed more interesting things to say/do. He really only unleashed the badass when he went to arrest Palpatine, and he died what, 30 seconds later? And even then, Ian McDairmid upstaged him.
 
I agree that SLJ was miscast. I emphatically disagree with the claim that the script was worth a damn.
 
Are there any other movies that come close to what the Star Wars is? I've never been a big fan of any of the films, the last ones I've not even seen entirely, but I wonder if it's possible to make good, modern films within this franchise.
 
I am optomistic about the new Star Wars films.

I also don't think that Episodes 1, 2 and 3 were total disasters. As evidence I point to box office reciepts. They weren't perfect (and I have to admit Episode 1 sucked more than it rocked) but they don't deserve the hate.

Also, I do not want to see any new movies based on EU stuff, that's just ugh.


One last point on whether or not Lucas wanted to have 9 movies originally, he did.

But Episodes 1-3 were only very roughly laid out and his outline for them evolved right up until he started work on them. Episodes 7-9 were mostly a pipe dream, I've read he wanted to do them but they were even more roughly laid out than Episodes 1-3.

Particularly so because he had originally intended the whole saga to be about the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin, whom he killed off at the end of Episode 6. So who knows where he wanted to take 7-9?
 
I also don't think that Episodes 1, 2 and 3 were total disasters. As evidence I point to box office reciepts. They weren't perfect (and I have to admit Episode 1 sucked more than it rocked) but they don't deserve the hate.

Wait, aren't you the dude that thought Avatar was a good movie? Yeeahhh...done reading this.
 
I also don't think that Episodes 1, 2 and 3 were total disasters. As evidence I point to box office reciepts. They weren't perfect (and I have to admit Episode 1 sucked more than it rocked) but they don't deserve the hate.

Also, I do not want to see any new movies based on EU stuff, that's just ugh.
Did you really just say the prequels are underrated, and then bash the entire expanded universe?
 
Avatar was fantastic for what it was. Snobs will snob.

If you're referring to the James Cameron movie, I found it entertaining, but this is such a crap argument. A piece of turd can be good for what it is, but it's still turd.
 
Did you really just say the prequels are underrated, and then bash the entire expanded universe?

Pretty much.

I know,
Burn the herretic!

I actually don't think the entire expanded universe is bad. I just don't really think 95% of what I've seen/read is up to epic Star Wars movie quality.
 
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