Middle East thread

And in other news from the Mid East, Öcalan, from prison, calls on the PKK he once founded to lay down arms, disolve, and thus end their conflict with Turkey:

Remains to be seen if the organization will listen? Öcalan has been banged up since 1999.
 
new hobby for the Crusading minds . Actually why Ukraine gets sold too .
 

Putin Agrees to Help Trump Broker Nuclear Talks With Iran​

Russia agreed to assist US President Donald Trump’s administration in communicating with Iran on issues including the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program and its support for regional anti-US proxies, according to people familiar with the situation.

Trump relayed that interest directly to President Vladimir Putin in a phone call in February and top officials from his administration discussed the matter with their Russian counterparts at talks in Saudi Arabia days later, people said, declining to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Discussions are in their initial stages and it’s not clear whether any talks between the US and Iran would yield any progress. White House officials did not respond to requests for comment. Neither Russia nor Iran have publicly confirmed or denied the request. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in response to questions sent by Bloomberg that “Russia believes that the United States and Iran should resolve all problems through negotiations” and that Moscow “is ready to do everything in its power to achieve this.”

A spokesman for Iran’s foreign ministry, when asked if Russia had offered to mediate between Tehran and Washington, said it was “natural” for countries to offer their assistance.

 

Syria vows to destroy any remaining Assad-era chemical weapons​

Syria's foreign minister has told the global chemical weapons watchdog that the new government is committed to destroying any remaining stockpiles produced under ousted president Bashar al-Assad.

Addressing a meeting of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague, Asaad al-Shibani vowed to "put an end to this painful legacy, to bring justice to victims, and to ensure that the compliance with international law is a solid one".

But he added that Syria would "need the support of the international community".

Assad's government denied ever using chemical weapons during the 14-year civil war, but activists accused it of carrying out of dozens of chemical attacks.

In 2013, rockets containing the nerve agent sarin were fired at several rebel-held suburbs in Eastern and Western Ghouta, killing hundreds of people. UN experts confirmed the use of the nerve agent sarin but they were not asked to ascribe any blame.

Assad denied his forces fired the rockets, but he did agree to sign the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) and allow a joint OPCW-UN mission to destroy Syria's declared chemical arsenal. However, questions about the accuracy and completeness of Syria's declaration remained.

The OPCW's Investigation and Identification Team documented multiple uses of chemical weapons during the war, identifying the Syrian military as the perpetrator of five cases of chemical weapons use in 2017 and 2018.

They included the April 2018 attack on Douma, in the Eastern Ghouta, when a Syrian air force helicopter is believed to have dropped two cylinders filled with highly concentrated chlorine gas on two apartment buildings, killing at least 43 people.

An earlier OPCW fact-finding mission, which was not mandated to identify perpetrators, also found that chemical weapons were used or likely used in 20 other instances.

Last month, OPCW director general Fernando Arias visited Damascus to hold talks with Shibani and interim Syrian President Ahmed al-Sharaa, who led the rebel offensive that overthrew Assad in December.

At Wednesday's meeting, Arias declared that "the evolving political landscape in Syria" provided the international community with "a new and historic opportunity to complete the elimination of Syria's chemical weapons programme".

He said a team of technical experts from the OPCW would be deployed to Damascus in the coming days and begin planning visits to suspected chemical weapon sites.

Shibani also met the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Karim Khan, in The Hague on Wednesday.

The ICC said their talks "followed up on the prosecutor's January visit to Damascus, exploring partnerships towards accountability for crimes committed in Syria".

Syria is not a member of the ICC, but Khan has said the new government could accept the court's jurisdiction as a first step, as Ukraine has done with respect to the war with Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg70j91n811o
 
Many various videos appear in telegram news channels with mass civilians killing in Latakia region. In on of them, civilians came to Russian militarily base in Hmeimim asking for protection.
Video shooting came from Pov from militias. So, they share them freely, probably coz there will be no punishment
 
Looks like Alawites are being massacred. "Democratic community" doesn't care, it's their SoBs in power.
 

Worst violence in Syria since Assad fall as dozens killed in clashes​

Security forces of Syria's new rulers have engaged in heavy fighting with fighters loyal to deposed President Bashar al-Assad in a coastal area of the country.

It is the worst violence in Syria since rebels toppled Assad in December and installed an Islamist transitional government.

A war monitoring group, the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said more than 70 people have been killed.

A curfew has been imposed in the cities of Latakia and Tartous, where the fighting has broken out.

BBC Verify confirmed the location of two videos posted online that showed gunmen shooting repeatedly at a building, igniting a fire inside, in the city of Homs on Thursday evening.

Two other verified videos show a body being dragged behind a car in Latakia.

The coastal region is the heartland of the Alawite minority, and a stronghold of the Assad family, which belong to the Alawite sect.

Estimations of the number of people killed in the violence vary, and the BBC has been unable to independently verify them.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Friday that 71 people had been killed, including 35 members of government forces, 32 gunmen affiliated to the former regime's army, and four civilians.

The clashes left tens of others injured, the human rights group said.

Gunmen, some from the former regime, had ambushed military forces, checkpoints and headquarters along the coastline, the organisation said.

One Sunni civilian witness called the attack "planned and prepared", while another told BBC Arabic that the indiscriminate firing on everyone including paramedics, was like something from the previous Assad regime.

"They did not have any mercy, so we are against any violence against anyone in the Syrian coast who has not been involve in this unrest. All of them are civilians and they are all like our family," they explained.

One Alawite said many Syrian people are "scared" regardless of if they were on the coast or in the capital.

Speaking to the BBC, she added that "everyone is terrified from the current incitement", and fears they will become "scapegoats".

Local gunmen took hold of military zones, where they holed up in areas in the Latakia mountains to launch attacks, while others holed up in Jableh city.

Members of the former regime army have been deployed in several coastal towns and villages, while military forces have been ambushed on highways.

Late on Thursday, Syrian-based Step news agency reported that government-aligned forces had killed "about 70" former regime fighters, while more than 25 others were captured in Jableh and the surrounding areas.

A spokesman for Syria's defence ministry, Colonel Hassan Abdul Ghani, issued a warning to Assad loyalists fighting in Latakia via state media.

"Thousands have chosen to surrender their weapons and return to their families, while some insist on fleeing and dying in defence of murderers and criminals. The choice is clear: lay down your weapons or face your inevitable fate," he said.

The region has become a major security challenge for interim president Ahmed al-Sharaa.

Alawite activists said their community had been subjected to violence and attacks since Assad fell, particularly in rural Homs and Latakia.

He is also facing resistance in the south, where there have been clashes with Druze forces in recent days.

Earlier this week, Syria's foreign minister told the global chemical weapons watchdog that the new government was committed to destroying any remaining stockpiles produced under-Assad.

Assad's government denied ever using chemical weapons during the 14-year civil war, but activists accused it of carrying out of dozens of chemical attacks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrxkm2evnlo
 
iranian propaganda says 30 000 have been killed since the celebrated victory of moderate jihadists over the undemocratic and evil Syrian Regime . In CFC terms this means Trump's bid to stall the Russian offensive is failing mostly by the European attempts for robbery hence the "Resistance Media" is acknowledging things .
 

Syrian security forces accused of executing dozens of Alawites​

Syrian security forces are alleged to have executed 52 people belonging to the Alawite minority in the coastal province of Latakia, according to one war monitoring group.

Footage seen by the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights shows dozens of bodies in civilian clothing piled up in the garden of a house in Latakia.

An interior ministry source told the country's official news agency Sana said that "individual violations" had occurred on the coast and pledged to put a stop to them.

BBC News has not been able to verify claims that the killings were committed by the forces of Syria's new rulers.

This followed clashes between government forces and fighters loyal to the deposed President Bashar al-Assad, which left more than 70 dead.

A curfew has been imposed in the cities of Homs, Latakia and Tartous, where the fighting has broken out.

Earlier, BBC Verify confirmed two videos that showed a body being dragged behind a car in Latakia.

The United Nation's special envoy for Syria, Geir Pedersen, said in a statement he was "deeply concerned" by reports of the clashes and killings.

He called on all parties to "refrain from actions that could further inflame tensions, escalate conflict, exacerbate the suffering of affected communities, destabilize Syria, and jeopardize a credible and inclusive political transition."

The region is the heartland of the Alawite minority, and a stronghold of the Assad family, which belong to the sect.

Estimations of the number of people killed in the violence vary, and the BBC has been unable to independently verify them.

Residents say they have been the targets of sectarian violence, with one Alawite woman telling BBC Arabic that many Syrians are "scared" regardless of if they were on the coast or in the capital.

She added that "everyone is terrified from the current incitement", and fears they will become "scapegoats".

Turkey and Russia have warned that the bloodshed, the worse since the toppling of Assad in December, threatens the stability of the entire region.

Alawites, whose sect is an offshoot of Shia Islam, make up around 10% of Syria's population, which is majority Sunni.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxnwrqey4go
 

War monitor says 2 days of clashes, revenge killings in Syria have left more than 1,000 dead​

'This was one of the biggest massacres during the Syrian conflict,' says war monitor

The death toll from two days of clashes between security forces and loyalists of ousted Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and revenge killings that followed has risen to more than 1,000, including nearly 750 civilians, a war monitoring group said Saturday, making it one of the deadliest outbreaks of violence since Syria's conflict began 14 years ago.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said that in addition to 745 civilians, 125 members of the government security forces and 148 militants with armed groups affiliated with Assad were killed.

The observatory also said that electricity and drinking water were cut off in large areas around the coastal city of Latakia and many bakeries shut down.

The clashes, which erupted Thursday, marked a major escalation in the challenge to the new government in Damascus, three months after insurgents took authority after removing Assad from power.

The government has said that they were responding to attacks from remnants of Assad's forces and blamed "individual actions" for the rampant violence.

'Bodies were on the streets'​

The revenge killings that started Friday by Sunni Muslim gunmen loyal to the government against members of Assad's minority Alawite sect are a major blow to Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, the faction that led the overthrow of the former government. Alawites made up a large part of Assad's support base for decades.

Residents of Alawite villages and towns spoke to The Associated Press about killings during which gunmen shot Alawites, the majority of them men, in the streets or at the gates of their homes. Many homes of Alawites were looted and then set on fire in different areas, two residents of Syria's coastal region told the AP from their hideouts.

They asked that their names not be made public out of fear of being killed by gunmen, adding that thousands of people have fled to nearby mountains for safety.

Residents of Baniyas, one of the towns worst hit by the violence, said bodies were strewn on the streets or left unburied in homes and on the roofs of buildings, and nobody was able to collect them. One resident said the gunmen prevented residents for hours from removing the bodies of five of their neighbours killed Friday at close range.

Ali Sheha, 57, a resident of Baniyas who fled with his family and neighbours hours after the violence broke out Friday, said that at least 20 of his neighbours and colleagues in one neighbourhood of Baniyas where Alawites lived, were killed, some of them in their shops or in their homes.

Sheha called the attacks "revenge killings" of the Alawite minority for the crimes committed by Assad's government. Other residents said the gunmen included foreign fighters, and militants from neighbouring villages and towns.

"It was very very bad. Bodies were on the streets" as he was fleeing, Sheha said, speaking by phone from nearly 20 kilometres away from the city. He said the gunmen were gathering less than 100 metres from his apartment building, firing randomly at homes and residents and, in at least one incident he knows of, asked residents for their IDs to check their religion and their sect before killing them. He said the gunmen also burned some homes and stole cars and robbed homes.

Rami Abdurrahman, chief of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said that revenge killings stopped early Saturday.

"This was one of the biggest massacres during the Syrian conflict," Abdurrahman said about the killings of Alawite civilians.

The initial death toll given by the group was more than 200, which was then updated to more than 600. No official figures have been released.

Alawite residents flee​

Syria's state news agency quoted an unnamed Defence Ministry official as saying that government forces have regained control of much of the areas from Assad loyalists. It added that authorities have closed all roads leading to the coastal region "to prevent violations and gradually restore stability."

On Saturday morning, the bodies of 31 people killed in revenge attacks the day before in the central village of Tuwaym were laid to rest in a mass grave, residents said.

Those killed included nine children and four women, the residents said, sending the AP photos of the bodies draped in white cloth as they were lined in the mass grave.

Lebanese legislator Haidar Nasser, who holds one of the two seats allocated to the Alawite sect in parliament, said that people were fleeing from Syria for safety in Lebanon. He said he didn't have exact numbers.

Nasser said that many people were sheltering at the Russian air base in Hmeimim, Syria, adding that the international community should protect Alawites who are Syrian citizens loyal to their country. He said that since Assad's fall, many Alawites were fired from their jobs and some former soldiers who reconciled with the new authorities were killed.

Under Assad, Alawites held top posts in the army and security agencies. The new government has blamed his loyalists for attacks against the country's new security forces over the past several weeks.

The most recent clashes started when government forces tried to detain a wanted person near the coastal city of Jableh and were ambushed by Assad loyalists, according to the observatory.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-clashes-hundreds-killed-1.7478668
 
From "FighterBomber" TG channel, former pilot who served in Russian airbase in Latakia.
Here we need to somehow comment on the 7,000 civilians hiding from being massacred on the territory of the Khmeimim airbase, but I don’t know what is there to comment.

The stories and explanations of orientalists and experts about how Assad has completely pissed everyone off there, and the entire Syrian people greeted the terrorists with bread and salt, kissing the feet of the liberators, do not fit in with the genocide that our respected partners started the day before.

It turns out that even if a terrorist puts on a European suit, he still remains a terrorist. Who would have thought.
But, of course, everything will be fine, because we are not like that and we will come up with something for the Syrian people, whose army betrayed them and fled.

Now our fighters are the only ones standing between these civilians and the representatives of the “new government”.
And there are not many of them there.
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/20170

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Iraq's army was primarily equipped with weaponry it had previously purchased from the Soviet Union and its satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it also purchased billions of dollars' worth of advanced equipment from France, China, Egypt, Germany and other sources. Iraq's three main suppliers of weaponry during the war were the Soviet Union followed by China and then France.

The United States sold Iraq over $200 million in helicopters, which were used by the Iraqi military in the war. These were the only direct U.S.-Iraqi military sales. At the same time, the U.S. provided substantial covert support for Saddam Hussein. The CIA directed non-U.S. origin hardware to Saddam Hussein's armed forces, "to ensure that Iraq had sufficient military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to avoid losing the Iran-Iraq war. And "dual use" technology was transferred from the U.S. to Iraq.

West Germany and United Kingdom also provided dual use technology that allowed Iraq to expand its missile program and radar defences.

According to an uncensored copy of Iraq's 11,000-page declaration to the U.N., leaked to Die Tageszeitung and reported by The Independent, the know-how and material for developing unconventional weapons were obtained from 150 foreign companies, from countries such as West Germany, the U.S., France, UK and China.

Iraq's main financial backers were the oil-rich Persian Gulf states, most notably Saudi Arabia ($30.9 billion), Kuwait ($8.2 billion) and the United Arab Emirates ($8 billion).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_combatants_in_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#:~:text=Iraq's%20three%20main%20suppliers%20of,direct%20U.S.%2DIraqi%20military%20sales.
Is this meant to prove Lexicus wrong? Because all this proves is Iraq had many fans. And to the point Iraq bought the stuff, with oil money sure, but on the other hand if you can secure financing it’s even easier to buy stuff especially if your creditors vouch for you. To the point, have you ever wondered exactly what G H W Bush did for Saddam?

Wikipedia: “According to Teicher's 1995 affidavit and separate interviews with former Reagan and Bush administration officials, the CIA secretly directed armaments and hi-tech components to Iraq through false fronts and friendly third parties such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Kuwait, and they quietly encouraged rogue arms dealers and other private military companies to do the same:”

[T]he United States actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing U.S. military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third country arms sales to Iraq to make sure that Iraq had the military weaponry required. The United States also provided strategic operational advice to the Iraqis to better use their assets in combat ... The CIA, including both CIA Director Casey and Deputy Director Gates, knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-U.S. origin military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq. My notes, memoranda and other documents in my NSC files show or tend to show that the CIA knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-U.S. origin military weapons, munitions and vehicles to Iraq.



It’s pretty obvious you just googled “Iraq’s biggest supporters” and called it a day, and frankly all I did was Google “us-Iraq support 1980’s” because of how sure I was the picture you were presenting was extremely misleadingly wrong. I mean I know for some run of the mill rah-rah-rah types the reality of the world is it’s a bunch of proud nations against each other, some good some evil, but the more real reality is that they all do business together a lot and you don’t have to sweat the small stuff when you have a really, really good retirement.

P.S. I know this is a necro but I don’t care, it’s the first thing I saw when I clicked into this thread and I was like oh, misleading garbage and/or lying by omission! Awesome!
 
The "European Union", aka france and germany and their domesticated pets, "strongly condemns the recent attacks, reportedly by pro-Assad elements, on interim government forces in the coastal areas of Syria and all violence against civilians"

Obvioulsy the head-chopping jihadis chopping heads of those they regard as "heretics" is because of alleged "pro-assad elemerns". It is not part of the politiocal DNA of the pet terrorists the EU has been supporting for over a decade there, oh no.
 
after the seperatists "make peace" here , the seperatists in Syria "make peace" with the Al Shara Regime . Reportedly . Which closes some other avenue for New Turkey to invade and do election jihad . After some US Army recruitment video online was taken to be an attack on the Turks . Meaning while cancellation culture once agains becomes the topic in places , Trump's Righteous Crusade on Iran removes another speedbump .

like no point in removing Christians from Syria . They will be kept dying intermitently so that they can be saved by the next Crusade .
 
It would probably help to explain exactly what you mean by it even if you don’t think you are being racist. I mean there’s probably something to be said for going “ehhh” about a US mentality, a Chinese mentality, or even a Russian mentality, on no other grounds at the very least other than that they are all big countries. And I say this as someone who speaks of an American mindset but usually I’m talking about the way middle class Americans justify themselves and their actions and, god help them, their political heroes.

So what is it about the Middle East? Are they too religious? Patriarchal? Racist? I kinda feel like that’s general enough to describe a major current in a lot of western cultures. It’s like no matter how “progressive” you are there always seems to be a big political bloc that wants women to remain in the home and thinks segregation is cool, and is pro-government blacksites to incarcerate government enemies (out of a love of freedom). Why is that anyway?
 
And I say this as someone who speaks of an American mindset but understands that that actually does differ whether you’re black or white or middle class.
Or which part of the country you live in and where you grew up. or even your job or education level. We are diverse.
 
Or which part of the country you live in and where you grew up. or even your job or education level. We are diverse.
Sure. But we’re talking patterns so let’s dig in. What are the patterns and how do we really know they’re there and a product of culture and not somehow vice versa? Does someone hold a job because of a view or a view because of a job? Do they defend their own privileges pretty much habitually for no particular reason? What exactly does it mean to have an American mindset? I think it’s worth interrogating as long as you’re willing to make positive assertions. Like “I think the middle eastern mindset is hating peace and loving war.” Sure, let’s say that true. Is there any reason at all a people or a person would hate peace and love war? Any good reason? I tend to think someone who feels under siege might have good reason to think a peacenik is a traitor. Even if you think you can prove them wrong, usually the conversation just ends with billions of dollars of explosives. It’s more trying to make a moot point than win an argument based on reason.
 
Or which part of the country you live in and where you grew up. or even your job or education level. We are diverse.
Are you assuming American more educated than Middle-Eastern and North African? Hence the mixture between the two cultures can be problematic? lmao

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And I bet with my fingers that, once the West stops interfering in politics and elections in the Middle-East world, ceases supporting their tyrannical allies in power, and ends military invasions in the Middle East, people will stop migrating to the West.

No one like moving out from their native place, unless the condition force them to.
 
IS bombed our subway stations they had to go, beyond that we did not participate in the eternal wars in the ME, nor did NATO.

That is a US American s%show, not ours, we told them invading Iraq was a bad idea, they did not listen.

In Syria in particular it was the Russians that bombed everything to rubble, not NATO either.

Small numbers are sometimes welcomed by their fellow religionists.


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