[UNIT] Mighty Ships Et Al

[tantanmen]

I am thinking of how to convert the warchariot to a chariot archer.

The chariot archer might end up being a real doozy, sorry You're probably familiar with ambrox62's Bronze Age Chariot Archers, but here's the link and a small zippie just in case they'll be of any help

https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/24-bronze-age-chariot-archers.13436/

Thank you again very much for the Tau'ri ships, they're impeccable

Spoiler ambrox62 - quote on Chariot Archers :

"These units consist of a single archer on a open chariot, with custom animations to manage bow and arrows."

"Unfortunately a unresolved glitch is still present on these units. During the StrikeA anim, while the unit stops itself after attacking, sometimes the left arm disappears (it happens in a ranged attack situation mostly). I suspect the issue stays in the NiTransformInterpolator (index 15) which links the BIP L Clavicle node, but I wasn't able to fix it. If someone could get rid of it is really welcome."

 

[pecheneg]

Are you importing OBJ/3DS to add to a unit?

No, I'm trying to translate ready-made models into the Nif - now the object of experiments is the Shtug model. A little earlier, there was a tank from the World of Tanks and a Jeep. They all changed their orientation with touching unanimity.

My initial experiment was to just replace the bone movements for the spearman with those of an archer. Doesn't work.

I'm sorry and thank you. The design initially looked suspicious even to my more than unskilled eye.

 

[MightyToad]

The chariot archer might end up being a real doozy, sorry You're probably familiar with ambrox62's Bronze Age Chariot Archers, but here's the link and a small zippie just in case they'll be of any help

Thanks. I try to do everything for myself at least once. That's how you learn. Looking at ambrox62s work. Looks like he had the same approach I'm using. I've just tested using the longbowmans animations, and they are much more compatible. So, looks like I'm not getting out of this one.
Archers and Chariots are the two most complex units in the game.

No, I'm trying to translate ready-made models into the Nif - now the object of experiments is the Shtug model. A little earlier, there was a tank from the World of Tanks and a Jeep. They all changed their orientation with touching unanimity.



I'm sorry and thank you. The design initially looked suspicious even to my more than unskilled eye.

Like I said. The object orientation is relative to its center. But, If you are wanting to import a complex unit like a tank you would still need to rig it to the skeleton in blender or 3DS Max. Otherwise it will just be a static object that doesn't move.

 

[pecheneg]

Otherwise it will just be a static object that doesn't move.

Hell, the easy way didn't work out. I'll have to download the blender.

 

[pecheneg]

perfect website for you: https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/medieval-ships/

Let's just say that there is about 10% of the basic information on the Western fleets, 3% on the eastern ones, while 2% of the 3 are actual errors. For example, the statement that the Chinese did not have specialized warships before the appearance of gunpowder is fake/ The book is in Russian, but there are online translators and it is with pictures
https://coollib.com/b/274486/read#t3
975 АD

Spoiler :

For obvious reasons, the Chinese had a decisive force in the river fleet, but the expeditions of Geng He did not happen out of nowhere.
And a bit of almost" what if " from real life. The paddle wheel was not invented by Papin and Da Vinci

"Even before the Spring and Autumn period, there are references to wheeled ships in Chinese literature. Sometimes it is just a message about ships that can travel long distances without the help of the wind and are driven by people completely hidden inside the ship. Opponents, not seeing the oars and rowers, often believed that the ships were moving spirits. In the description of the battle that took place in 418, the ships that departed from the pier "by themselves"are mentioned. After a century and a half, we read about "foot boats", thanks to which we learn about the principle on which wheeled ships worked. In 782. the following text appeared: "Li Gao has always been interested in skillful machines. He built ships, each of which had two large wheels on the sides, driven by topchaks. The ships moved like the wind, raising waves as if they had sails on them."

 

[Darkator]

https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/donald-tusk.28867/
I create the Eropean union leader (Donald Tusk)

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Let's just say that there is about 10% of the basic information on the Western fleets, 3% on the eastern ones, while 2% of the 3 are actual errors. For example, the statement that the Chinese did not have specialized warships before the appearance of gunpowder is fake/ The book is in Russian, but there are online translators and it is with pictures
https://coollib.com/b/274486/read#t3
975 АD

Spoiler :

For obvious reasons, the Chinese had a decisive force in the river fleet, but the expeditions of Geng He did not happen out of nowhere.
And a bit of almost" what if " from real life. The paddle wheel was not invented by Papin and Da Vinci

"Even before the Spring and Autumn period, there are references to wheeled ships in Chinese literature. Sometimes it is just a message about ships that can travel long distances without the help of the wind and are driven by people completely hidden inside the ship. Opponents, not seeing the oars and rowers, often believed that the ships were moving spirits. In the description of the battle that took place in 418, the ships that departed from the pier "by themselves"are mentioned. After a century and a half, we read about "foot boats", thanks to which we learn about the principle on which wheeled ships worked. In 782. the following text appeared: "Li Gao has always been interested in skillful machines. He built ships, each of which had two large wheels on the sides, driven by topchaks. The ships moved like the wind, raising waves as if they had sails on them."

I thought it was a good resource for the art and some info but I'm very aware of naval warfare outside of Europe. Some examples:

Chinese had the Paddleships they were a main ship in their navy during that period, Korean and Chinese ships had to contend with Japanese, Malaysian and Indonesia piracy. The Japanese invaded Korea and Naval power(with the Turtleship) by the Koreans was decisive in that regard. There were battles between other Asian powers at sea, such as when there were multiple kingdoms instead of China. A lot of action in East Asia. Other than Junks the large castle-like ships were used alot, in Japan and Korea.

 

[pecheneg]

I thought it was a good resource for the art and some info

Yes, I'm just used to the more fundamental ones.

Malaysian and Indonesia piracy.

By the way, there were two different traditions of shipbuilding in China. Moreover, the South, which created large seaworthy ships, was strongly influenced by Indonesia and Indochina, in which very large sea vessels appeared earlier. Giants Jen He was a harsh necessity - it was difficult to scare the Javanese with anything less than that. " Party Unus is the largest that people have ever seen in this area. There were a thousand warriors on board, and Your Grace can trust me ... that it was an amazing sight, because the Anunciad next to him didn't look like a ship at all. We attacked it with bombardments, but even the shots of the largest did not penetrate it below the waterline, and (shots) esfera (a large Portuguese cannon) I had my ship enter but not pass; it had three shells, all of which were more than cruzado thick . And it was definitely so monstrous that no one had ever seen anything like it. It took three years to build, as Your Grace may have heard tell in Malacca about this Pati Unus who created this armada to become the king of Malacca."

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I read the Junk type ships originated in Indonesia and Indochinam, the iconic sailing ships of east asia descend from that tradition, while the other one is similar to the Atakabune and Turtleship tradition of Japan and Korea.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

What kind of chariot were you working on Toad Mitanni or Assyrian?

 

[MightyToad]

I'm just planning to use the Civ 5 unit. I've been manually editing individual key frames one at a time for all the bones. It's maddeningly tedious. I'm beginning to reevaluate my life priorities.

Assuming it all works out I might make new units using the new animations.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Sounds promising. Did you have further plans for Mycenae or you moving to something else next? Did you see that link I posted earlier? With all the ships of each era? I figured you might like it.

 

[pecheneg]

. I've been manually editing individual key frames one at a time for all the bones. It's maddeningly tedious.

I fell sorry for you. I should also do graphics, but... Instead I chat on the forum

Assuming it all works out I might make new units using the new animations.

And there can be many of them. For example, the process of tank building did not stop at the Assyrians. If they built "Tigers", then the Indians built"Royal Tigers". If not "Mouse".

 

[PPQ_Purple]

No,no. The Indians built Elephants.

 

[pecheneg]

No,no. The Indians built Elephants.

Yes, how could I not have noticed that? And the motifs are also transparent - in an chariot, they did not have enough space for dancing
P.S.

Spoiler :

I'm sure,, Ferdinand Porsche also loved elephants and dancing.

 

[MightyToad]

Sounds promising. Did you have further plans for Mycenae or you moving to something else next? Did you see that link I posted earlier? With all the ships of each era? I figured you might like it.

I don't know. Maybe. One thing at a time. I've read some of the ship encyclopedia. Very cool. I fell asleep at the dromons I think last night. The writer isn't a native english speaker I think.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

YEah the Dromon were cool, I wasnt aware there were multiple ships(Small, Heavy, Medium) of the design, almost like Frigates, Ship of the Line etc. I think as far as Medieval Galleys go, the Dromon were, aside from the advances in sailing design, the true successors to the Hellenistic ships. It wasn't just the design(appearence), the Dromon had the technological addition of the Greek Fire flamethrowers. Imagine if other powers like the Scandenavian kingdoms(The Byzantines used some of them as elite mercanaries, see Varangian Guard) got the Greek fire technology.

I also learned that War Carracks were the true predessors of the Ships of Line, the ManoWar ships were invented and put into service by Henry 8th. There is a later Manofwar design the English and Dutch used, that had three rows of cannons(SOTL had two), totally different ship though.

Take your time, its most important that its something you want to make. Speaking of which, I have a decent(i think) Date Masamune LH I've been waiting to upload.

 

[pecheneg]

Imagine if other powers like the Scandenavian kingdoms(The Byzantines used some of them as elite mercanaries, see Varangian Guard) got the Greek fire technology.

Nothing would have happened, there are no natural oil outlets in Scandinavia. In Europe, in general, everything is very bad with them. The nuance is that the recipe was stolen from the Byzantines at least twice. However, the Arabs were able to use it, and the Venetians recorded only one use. For pretty obvious reasons.

I also learned that War Carracks were the true predessors of the Ships of Line,

Yes, the four-masted "battleships" were beautiful. Look for "The Great Michael", "Saint Anne", "Adler von Lubeck". There are also French and Portuguese, but I don't remember their names.

the ManoWar ships were invented and put into service by Henry 8th.

They're English. According to Britannica, they invented fire, the stone axe, and copyright (even though these back streets of Europe at the time were simply imitating Venetian law) . As for the Tudor fleet, it's the same evergreen story. 1. "Mary Rose" and "Henry" had TWO solid closed gun decks. And "Mary" became a two-deck only after the restructuring in 1536. 2. At the same time, I strongly doubt that these are the first two-deck ships. Because 3. Karakki of this size, in general, were not particularly rare, they were built even by the Scots. 4. The gun ports were cut through by that time, probably for fifty years. They were originally round, but... 5. Henry's fleet is still technically VERY backward. Outdated clicker skin, etc.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

Forget all those. If you believe them they invented the human.

 

[pecheneg]

Forget all those. If you believe them they invented the human.

"It has also been thought that nationalism and cultural prejudice played a role in the less-than-critical acceptance of the fossil as genuine by some British scientists.[9] It satisfied European expectations that the earliest humans would be found in Eurasia, and the British, it has been claimed,[9] also wanted a first Briton to set against fossil hominids found elsewhere in Europe".

Note that the concept of "man descended from an Englishman" was supported for PATRIOTIC reasons.
As for Dawson, he should have stated that the monkey jaw appeared in the hominid on the personal order of Henry 8. With everything else, this still works.