"Missing" Leader pet peeves

[bhosp]

3) Mao? I guess... Really he was a worse tyrant than Hitler, but I suppose it is hard to find "Great" Chinese leaders that have any sort of progressive/liberal ideology. Qin Shi Huang isn't very nice either, but Mao??Maybe Chang Kai-Shek? (Not all smiles with him either but on the other hand, George Washington was a slave-owning terrorist).

2) Romans in general. Not only is Julius Caesar not the only interesting emperor, but it might have been nice to see some of the leaders of the Republic like Cincinnatus.

1) French leaders: Napoleon; ok, but Louis XIV? Please. That is almost as bad as George III as an American leader. I wanna see Vercengetorix!

And of course I miss them changing clothes with the different periods. Civ3 Modern Jeanne d'Arc was hotter than Catherine.

 

[SmartMuffin]

I miss Stalin.

He was the man in Civ1!!

 

[Reveilled]

I wasn't aware that the Leaders of a civ had to be nice people.

While looking through some of the diplomatic files, I noticed that there are unused lines for Ceaser Augustus and Mansa of Egypt. Maybe they were dropped for time constraints, but it would have been nice to see them in.

As to Vercengetorix, wasn't he a Gaul? Modern-Day France is descended from the Franks, a german tribe who moved into and took over the area, so wouldn't that be like Chief Sitting Bull as an American leader?

 

[Jecrell]

George Washington was a slave-owning terrorist

Slave owning definitely, but terrorist?
We agree to disagree.

The only thing I dislike about Julius Caesar is that he is not aggressive. It confuses me. Otherwise he leads perhaps the most powerful Civilization army in the game. The Roman UU can literally dominate early in the game I noticed.

 

[bhosp]

I wasn't aware that the Leaders of a civ had to be nice people.

They don't, but the assumption seems to be that political correctness kept Hitler out; that should have kept Mao out as well. On the other hand, I guess they already had a Agressive, Expansive guy.

While looking through some of the diplomatic files, I noticed that there are unused lines for Ceaser Augustus and Mansa of Egypt. Maybe they were dropped for time constraints, but it would have been nice to see them in.

Neat.

As to Vercengetorix, wasn't he a Gaul? Modern-Day France is descended from the Franks, a german tribe who moved into and took over the area, so wouldn't that be like Chief Sitting Bull as an American leader?[

Yes that is true; on the other hand, Chief Sitting Bull as an American leader would be pretty neat too

 

[Lucky The Fox]

Civ3 Modern Jeanne d'Arc was hotter than Catherine.

If you like bald gals. I prefer her cute industrial version.

By the way, what's it with so many people demanding fairly obscure leaders? Need to show how much you know about history?

 

[incubuspawn]

If you like bald gals. I prefer her cute industrial version.

By the way, what's it with so many people demanding fairly obscure leaders? Need to show how much you know about history?

Haha I would play Rome if the leader choices was Caligula or Nero Nero would be awesome.

 

[xioyux]

I miss Stalin.

He was the man in Civ1!!

Puting stalin would have been as bad as putting hitler. I hate it when people have no ideas what kind of atrocities he commited (caused more deaths than hitler too).

As to Vercengetorix, wasn't he a Gaul? Modern-Day France is descended from the Franks, a german tribe who moved into and took over the area, so wouldn't that be like Chief Sitting Bull as an American leader?

Yeah, but france often associates itself with the gauls, and people like Vercenetorix.

 

[Andicus]

At least they had the guts to include Washington instead of Lincoln.

 

[Dikaioma]

Our founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards. But what is life, just a cycle. History always repeats itself because the minority of the people who know nothing of history become the majority...

 

[Reveilled]

Puting stalin would have been as bad as putting hitler. I hate it when people have no ideas what kind of atrocities he commited (caused more deaths than hitler too).

But wouldn't you enjoy kicking the crap out of him?

 

[tatean]

Our founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards.

How would they be considered terrorists?

 

[Souron]

What is a revolution, but a successful terrorist campaign?

 

[Andicus]

Our founding fathers would be considered terrorists by today's standards. But what is life, just a cycle. History always repeats itself because the minority of the people who know nothing of history become the majority...

History does not repeat itself, nor were the founders terrorists.

Last I checked, the founders weren't calling for the death of all englishmen or suicide bombing civilians.

eta: It wasn't a revolution. It was a secession of 13 North American colonies from the motherland. The British government did not change as a result of the war for independence.

 

[sir_q]

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion

In that light, yes, the American Revolution was a terrorist action; terrorism is broader than the particular brand of fundamentalist terrorism of which the United States has been so acutely aware lately.

Please explain how history does not repeat itself.

 

[Andicus]

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion

Is that dictionary published in mainland china perhaps?

I think Locke would disagree about violence used in the war for independence being "unlawful."

eta: I think it's disturbing that so many of you equate the founders of this country with modern terrorists. Thank you Michael Moore.

 

[Seanirl]

Puting stalin would have been as bad as putting hitler. I hate it when people have no ideas what kind of atrocities he commited (caused more deaths than hitler too).

Pfft. Let's face it: Almost all of the leaders in Civ, and famous leaders from history, were imperialists who tried to oppress people and massacred them if they resisted. Some more or less than others.

I don't see people complaining about Genghis Khan.

 

[tristangreer]

Actually the founding fathers were killing civilians, as well as political people. If you want evidence of the violence caused by the Patriots, look at the reports of governor Hutchinson. They routinely harassed and even killed loyalists.

 

[Andicus]

Actually the founding fathers were killing civilians, as well as political people. If you want evidence of the violence caused by the Patriots, look at the reports of governor Hutchinson. They routinely harassed and even killed loyalists.

Really?

The Founders were advocating this?

Are you sure it wasn't the Liberty Boys?

By the same token, the loyalists did the exact same thing in North Carolina prompting militia support for Nat Greene.

 

[SmartMuffin]

Puting stalin would have been as bad as putting hitler. I hate it when people have no ideas what kind of atrocities he commited (caused more deaths than hitler too).

Not so fast, I have EVERY idea that Stalin wasn't exactly a nice guy. But come on, Montezuma practiced human sacrifice. Mao wasn't exactly the nicest person in the world either.

Mentioning Hitler invokes a feeling of offense that mentioning Stalin does not. Whether that is justified is irrelevant, it's just a fact. Honestly, nobody would actually be offended if Stalin was in the game, but if they tried Hitler, it would take Jack Thompson about ten seconds to start yelling and screaming that video games are encouraging children to be like Hitler...