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MLG7: Another Race to Space

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by pholkhero, Feb 5, 2008.

  1. Tatran

    Tatran Deity

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    Maybe start your post by making a comment/statement about the event.
    Future pictures + saves will reveal the info.
    Only text could be a solution, until the required tech.
     
  2. SpriteSODA

    SpriteSODA Musketeer

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    I hope this will help to clear things out
     
  3. pholkhero

    pholkhero Deviant Mind

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    i tihnink it has something to do with your number of cities ;)

    thanks for the help w/the charts ~ this is better! [and thanks to Sprite for helping out as well]

    The chart is arranged by the All Science column (how many bpt your civ is getting at 100% science):


    Though it is backwards from the previous chart, this graph represent the All Science column:


    Next, you can see everyone's beakers per turn at their current sci rate (note: i just lifted this number from your game. While you can "game" the chart by upping your sci rate on your last turn, that's lame :) )


    Here's also your best city's bpt:


    As well as the civs current GNP (at current rates, and it includes commerce and science)


    So, here's the first round of info (though it's measuring the 2nd round). Please comment on the various criteria i used as well as ways to improve or additional things you might want to see noted.

    Just off the top of my head, here, i'm thinking maybe a chart that displays how each type of economy stacks up with the others of its kind, and perhaps an avg. bpt for each type of economy for some direct comparison.
     
  4. Quotey

    Quotey Emperor

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    Blid, we're bottom of the table buddies.

    I'll play round 3 today. And I'll hold off on 4 so pholk can get everything together.
     
  5. Quotey

    Quotey Emperor

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    Pholk: I'd like a "Total Beakers" graph for the rest of the sets, I want to see if all this lightbulbing makes enough difference.

    No real plan for this set, just play.

    Spoiler :

    Turn 0 (100)

    Noone has much on their hands, which is good (Issy and Surya) but also bad (Monty). Arg, why couldn't we all be nice religious enemies!

    Turn 1 (101)

    Good god, Boston is an absolutely TERRIBLE city and I ama ashamed that I settled it. I think it has to win a cultural battle with Surya's capital to get its only food resource, cows.

    Turn 6 (106)

    Yuck, Izzy steals a lovely city spot from me. Goddamnit. I think I might skew the SE results, and I need to play better to be one of those Monarch winners.

    Turn 8 (108)

    I get a message:

    Confucianism is founded in a distant land.

    All AIs get a message:

    The Pyramids have been built in a far off land!

    Some AIs get a message:

    MLG7 has adopted Representation.

    Also, some people sight a band of orange clad travellers heading towards Philadelphia.

    Turn 11 (111)

    The word of the almighty peace loving Buddha spreads in Philly. Whatever.

    Turn 20 (120)

    SURYAVARMAN HAS DECLARED WAR ON ISABELLA! Good. Now I will have to declare on little miss if Sury asks, but I need to reinforce my border cities.

    Turn 22 (122)

    Ugh, slave revolt in the capital. -2 pop, and my units go on strike. Need currency soon.

    Turn 25 (125)

    Calendar completes.

    Turn 27 (127)

    A source of Iron is discovered at New York. I will not argue with more production!

    Turn 29 (129)

    A great scientist is born and I lightbulb Alphabet.

    A massive mistake. Ah well, it might pay off later.

    Turn 31 (131)

    The other thing about Alphabet? Demands.

    Monty asks for Calendar. He gets it.

    He also has enough on his hand. I am sure he is going after Issy.

    Turn 33 (133)

    Monty declares on Issy. Cool.

    Turn 36 (136)

    Sury requests that I declare on Issy. Done.

    Currency finishes. I can research CoL in FIVE turns. Awesome!

    I get Poly and Pottery for Currency from Monty. I set research on Metal Casting.

    Sury takes the city I want from the Spanish. :(

    Turn 38 (138)

    Get another Scientist. I want to save him for a Philo bulb once Monty will give away CoL or I research it.

    Turn 41 (141)

    Monty gets Feudalism. Bloody nice capital of his. Mine is better, Mr Zuma. Mine is better. I give him Clams for 5GPT.

    Oh, and my two buddies decided tat they would trade away my tech lead.

    Turn 42 (142)

    Washington grows to size 10, MC finishes and I want CoL next.

    I remember that Chichen Itza, the most annoying wonder in the game is attached to CoL. I am not getting it in trade.

    Turn 46 (146)

    CoL comes in, I switch to Caste System.

    Philosophy also comes in.

    Turn 47 (147)

    I rejig the cities for science. Washington finds itsself with 6 scientists!

    Research on a SEVEN TURN Civil Service. WOW.

    You know, I was elated with the research times until I remembered that this is normal speed. Oy vey.

    Turn 50 (150)

    end


    Result:

    Spoiler :
    Issy lost 2 cities. Feudalism is out there so she will vassalise soon :/

    All in all, a good round. I want to settle one more filler city. And the great JUNGLE CLEARING PROJECT has begun, and the great JUNGLE IRRIGATION PROJECT will soon begin.

    I'm waiting on a demand to convert.

    Other SE players: Do you like to convert to Caste this early? I usually wait until I have universities whipped out (when I am not playing Gandhi!)


    Save.
     
  6. SpriteSODA

    SpriteSODA Musketeer

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    @Pholky

    Don't forget that they have yet to reach Caste System (I think?) so maybe not all of them have yet to reach the top preformence of the specialists.
     
  7. Ralph_Jackson

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    @Pholk

    If everybody posts the techs they learn in each set (and their starting techs for the next set to kick us off) I can give you the Spreadsheet I used in MLG6 for total beakers + beakers learned each set; or I will even do the graph for you if you like!!

    Ralph
     
  8. pholkhero

    pholkhero Deviant Mind

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    indeed! starting with rd 3, please put a list of techs learned so far ~ or even, all ancient era techs, + whatever's left.

    @ All ~ hold off on Rd 4 reports until Rd3's charts are up, too, please ~
     
  9. blid

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    I've put a list of techs at the end of my round 3 report. It can be reused by other players to make data collecting for Pholk easier.
     
  10. glenmetz

    glenmetz Prince

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    Specialist Wang Kon Part 2

    Spoiler :

    1920 BC (52)
    Seoul Gets a Border pop, Ivory now in Range
    Scout stumbles upon a hut for 39 gold

    1880 BC (53)
    Get this random even, nice little boost to research


    Whip Henge this turn

    1840BC (54)
    Henge comes online, Seoul starts to work on a Warrior while growing again

    1800BC (55)
    We enter the Classical era as IW comes in, Science to Masonry


    There is iron near Seoul!!!

    1680BC (58)
    Warrior is done in Seoul, throw a few hammers into a Barracks until reaching size 4

    1520BC (62)
    Masonry in, Sci to Writing
    Sury converts to Judaism
    Seoul switches over to a Settler as its hit size 4

    1480BC (63)
    Pyongyang has a border pop, can now work the Sheep, whip the barracks there

    1400BC (65)
    The Great Wall is BIADL

    1360BC (66)
    Horses are online
    Whip the Settler in Seoul
    Monty got The Great Wall

    1320BC (67)
    Seoul Settler->Barracks

    1240BC (69)
    Wanson founded, starts work on a Barracks


    1120BC (72)
    Writing in, Science to Alpha
    Pyongyang Warrior->Library

    975BC (76)
    Seoul Barracks->Worker

    950BC (77)
    Whip the Worker in Seoul

    925BC (78)
    Seoul Worker->Library

    875BC (80)
    Oracle is BIADL

    800BC (83)
    Iron is online

    725BC (86)
    Library is done in Pyongyang, work starts on the Mids

    700BC (87)
    Monty comes and asks for help against Isabella, but I decline as both her and Sury are Jewish, Monty is Buddhist, hoping Isabella will spread Judaism

    600BC (91)
    Judaism spreads to my lands :D , I convert (looks like a dog pile on Monty maybe, unless he takes over the Jewish holy city)

    575BC (92)
    Whip a Settler in Seoul (he is the cut off Settler on the western side of my sort of peninsula)

    525BC (94)
    Wonsan Barracks->Library

    450BC (97)
    Pusan is founded to the West to cut off the continent


    425BC (98)
    Writing in, Tech to Currency
    Trade Isabella IW, Agri, Writing for Meditation, Fishing, Archery

    375BC (100)
    Get this Random event which should be fun


    I didn't get the NE city as I wanted, Sury beat me to it

    CURRENT LANDS


    TECHS
    Fishing, Wheel, Agri, Hunting, Myst, Mining, Meditation, Masonry, Archery, Animal Husbandry, Bronze, Iron, Writing, and Alphabet


    Spoiler :

    Next set
    Grow cities, get specialists online. Try to get a dogpile going on Monte which probably won't be fun. Hopefully squeeze a few more cities in as well. Still haven't settled that great spot just SE of the capital, and will probably build a Moai city out to the west. Might also be able to squeeze another city in to the North towards Isabella. Also going to need happiness buildings and resources as my base happiness at the moment is 6.
     

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  11. pholkhero

    pholkhero Deviant Mind

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    Okay, so i've got 4 saves so far for round 3, robo's, tatran's, shadzy's, RJ's, but blid's save 'can't be found'.

    I hope you all weren't waiting for my "go ahead" but if so . . .

    Go Ahead. :D
     
  12. Swiss Pauli

    Swiss Pauli Emperor

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    I need to get round to writing my report: should be ready in a day or two.
     
  13. blid

    blid Emperor

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    There is a link to 800AD at the end of my report 3. And I swear I didn't just put it there :)
     
  14. Quotey

    Quotey Emperor

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    My round 3 report and save is on this page.
     
  15. Meatbuster

    Meatbuster formerly Robo Kai

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    I think it was nuked by the hack.
     
  16. glenmetz

    glenmetz Prince

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    I'll be playing round 3 this weekend and posting it up.
     
  17. blid

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    indeed. save attached. It's a pity all those lost files

    EDIT : @Quotey : think we're on the same boat. You'l need to reupload the file using attachments this time
     
  18. glenmetz

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    Hey Pholk, any chance you can add me to the Round 2 stats now that I've uploaded my round? Just want to see how poorly I'm doing.
     
  19. Ralph_Jackson

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    Well here is an illustration of the total beakers for techs researched graph mentioned earlier. This lets us compare the economies alongside research rate as it it will reflect lightbulbed techs.



    For those of you who have completed round 3 (800AD) but don't appear on the graph it is probably becuase I can't track down your save (which may well have been caught up in the hack issues).

    Now if people want me to track this then alongside the save it would be very helpful if people provide a list of the techs they have researched like Blid has!

    Techs researched example

    So what does the groah show...

    Well green are SE's and blue are CE's. So clearly a good SE is fairly well ahead at the moment versus CE's.

    Does this make sense? Well to me it does as the SE in the early / mid game has the ability to lightbulb quite expensive techs (I am guessing Shadzy burned GS's on Philosophy and Education?) which the CE can't. Now what I expect to happen is in round 4 the "slow-burning" CE's to really take off and catch up with the SE's as their better research rate begins to tell.

    For example Shadzy's bpt in his save is 60-70 verses 200+ for a strong CE so over 50 turns the current gap will be eliminated.

    Views??
     
  20. Shadzy19

    Shadzy19 Warmonger

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    Nice graph , this seems more accurate then just looking at plain BPT.
    I indeed used 3 GS to bulb philo and education.

    My bpt is very low atm cause I changed my econ the last 10~ turns cause I have to get some university's whipped/build in to get oxford up and running , im wondering if the CE's BPT is still higher then mine when I get oxford up and running and my city's are back to working scientist in stead of growing and whipping infrastructure.

    Will be a intresting next round!
     

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