Modding Speculation
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Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Afforess
The White Wizard
Two minutes later I walked away with my A and a grin.
Wow, Nice. I just let my java class be my easy class. The only lectures I learned anything from where the ones on Binary Trees, I hadn't seen any of those before...
I found this too. A bunch of people are actually getting IT majors (IT - WTH), and I look at them like they are crazy, but whatever. I love programming. Even the worst assignments are interesting.
From the manual:
Best news I've heard all day. With the new Mod Browser, that will cut my support time in half, and the auto updater will cut it by at least another 1/5.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Heh. My best friend is going IT. Though in his case it has more to do with not wanting to deal with the math aspect of CS than not liking programming.
And yeah, the modding tools look to be excellent.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Heh. My best friend is going IT. Though in his case it has more to do with not wanting to deal with the math aspect of CS than not liking programming.
What's wrong with math?
Technically speaking, I'm majoring in Computer Science/ Mathematics, a hybrid major, that sacrifices a few electives and 1 core CS class for some extra calculus and differentials, along with Modern Algebra.
Anyway, Math is easy. Math is formulaic. It's applying the math that's hard.
Heh. My best friend is going IT. Though in his case it has more to do with not wanting to deal with the math aspect of CS than not liking programming.
And yeah, the modding tools look to be excellent.
That's me. I LOVE programming, but math... meh. I used to be good at it before college, but proofs just got the better of me. Too much trouble. I rather see the results of my efforts live on screen
Plus I'm business oriented, so Information Systems is a good fit for me.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
Nothing, for some of us.
I considered doing that, but I decided to take some electives instead (I've always loved history. Had I not started modding, there's a good chance I'd have ended up as a history professor somewhere
). I've always been a math guy. My friend is not.
That's me. I LOVE programming, but math... meh. I used to be good at it before college, but proofs just got the better of me. Too much trouble. I rather see the results of my efforts live on screen
God.
proofs. I'm sorry. I can appreciate them, I can step through them and see how elegant some of them are... But I hate doing them myself.I've always been the kind of person to just jump to the answer. Having to explain it kills me.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Nothing, for some of us.
I considered doing that, but I decided to take some electives instead (I've always loved history. Had I not started modding, there's a good chance I'd have ended up as a history professor somewhere
History is a lot of fun too. I took AP US History back in High School, got a 5 on that, which got me out of those electives.
But what I love more than possibly CS and Math is philosophy. If I could make money doing philosophy, I'd drop my Meteorology/CS's degrees... Sadly, Philosophy majors only occupation is...teaching philosophy.
God.
I've always been the kind of person to just jump to the answer. Having to explain it kills me.
I hate proofs because often they require you know some obscure math factoid. I often don't know that necessary link in the chain, and get stuck.
One other thing that kills me is when Profs make you memorize LOTS of formula's... My proper memorization of the terminal velocity formula will not affect my future. My understanding and conceptualization of that formula will...
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
History is a lot of fun too. I took AP US History back in High School, got a 5 on that, which got me out of those electives.
But what I love more than possibly CS and Math is philosophy. If I could make money doing philosophy, I'd drop my Meteorology/CS's degrees... Sadly, Philosophy majors only occupation is...teaching philosophy.
I hate proofs because often they require you know some obscure math factoid. I often don't know that necessary link in the chain, and get stuck.
One other thing that kills me is when Profs make you memorize LOTS of formula's... My proper memorization of the terminal velocity formula will not affect my future. My understanding and conceptualization of that formula will...
Philosophy can be interesting. I've always enjoyed classes that make you actually think about things. Especially when the professor encourages discussion.
Favorite professor I have is actually my cinema prof; Had him for Religion as well, which was fun. Even if I am not religious.
And yeah, I have never memorized formulas. I just program them into my calculator. If I understand the concept and know which formula I have to apply, then that's enough for me.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Yes - Discussion based classes are a lot of fun, and can be interesting.
Cinema... Love movies. I've got 2 screens here, my laptop screen and an external monitor. It makes modding easier - but I often use it for Netflix instant and modding. I think I've watched 1/3 of Netflix's online archive...
And yeah, I have never memorized formulas. I just program them into my calculator. If I understand the concept and know which formula I have to apply, then that's enough for me.
Ah yes, my TI-84 Silver plus is one of my best friends. I've got games programmed onto it to, a few that one of my genius HS friends made. Tetris is a real life-saver.
Valkrionn
The Hamster King
I actually don't want movies too often. I took cinema because I like the professor, mostly, but also because I knew it would get into archetypes again and dissect the story, rather than just watch movies.
I've got a TI-86. With no games.
I spend my free time in calc programming small applications. For example, I've managed to find the correct constant to use a simple for loop as an accurate timer.
Afforess
The White Wizard
I've got a TI-86. With no games.
Okay - that's bad. But probably not as bad as having memorized large portions of Civ4's SDK...
I'm glad you guys share my contempt for proofs, I was already feeling left out with all that math loving here. The thing is, in my Computer Engineering math classes it was ALL about proofs. Always. God, I have such awful memories from Analytic Geometry and Linear Algebra. So much vector and matrix potential lost within pages of proofs. Calculus was often less demanding.
SJSerio
Centurion
OK... I was reading through the manual and it looks like you guys may have won as far as what will be released. I still stand by my points that I have stated before. But let the argument end here (perhaps to be revisited at a future time).
I have a couple other concerns and comments from what I have read in the manual. Again, I am not looking to start another flame war, I just want to express my concerns and try and get some clarification on a few things. In the manual, it states:
First off, does anybody know more details about this? I am assuming that the World Builder SDK is the tool that we read about a week or so ago. I am curious as to why it has SDK in the title. Second, does anybody know any specifics that I may have missed about ModBuddy? Does anyone know exactly what it is and what it does... is it just the packager, or could it be what I have been hoping for? I am looking specifically at the line:
Specifically the scenario part and change minute behavior of the Game's AI are of interest to me. It just seems to me that making scenarios and changing a game's AI (even small changes) are a bit more involved and would normally require going into the XML files. I guess we'll see...
And that leads me to the third thing, and perhaps my biggest concern...
This makes me a little worried. It means that we won't have access to these things on day one! While I can understand and let it slide if the developers just have in mind letting us play the game first and get used to the mechanics before delving deep into it, but as long as it is not too long of a wait. The question is exactly what is "shortly after release"? I have seen this promise made before and shortly turned into quite a long time.
When EA released The Sims 3, they stated that the Create-a-World (the tool which allows the user to create full neighborhoods) would follow the game shortly... and that shortly turned into nearly a year. I really hope that this is not the case with these tools, especially since we have already seen the screenshots and, from what I could tell, at least, the World Builder appears to be fully functional. I would say that it should not be more than a couple weeks at most.
Anyway, that is just my thoughts!
Oh, BTW... you all make me feel old! Excluding Dale, who is likely older than me (unless he was programming in BASIC on the Commodore when he was 5 years old... our real life Ender Wiggins, maybe), the closest of the three of you to me in age is Valkrionn... who is 10 years my younger! It is no wonder why you all find programming and XML editing easy as pie... You are all still young enough to have no big obligations or responsibilities (like family and tons of bills) that would hinder your ability to persuit such learning and are at the stage in your lives where you are just absorbing things like a sponge the middle of a lake.
Dang whippersnappers!
). I have a couple other concerns and comments from what I have read in the manual. Again, I am not looking to start another flame war, I just want to express my concerns and try and get some clarification on a few things. In the manual, it states:
First off, does anybody know more details about this? I am assuming that the World Builder SDK is the tool that we read about a week or so ago. I am curious as to why it has SDK in the title. Second, does anybody know any specifics that I may have missed about ModBuddy? Does anyone know exactly what it is and what it does... is it just the packager, or could it be what I have been hoping for? I am looking specifically at the line:
Specifically the scenario part and change minute behavior of the Game's AI are of interest to me. It just seems to me that making scenarios and changing a game's AI (even small changes) are a bit more involved and would normally require going into the XML files. I guess we'll see...
And that leads me to the third thing, and perhaps my biggest concern...
This makes me a little worried. It means that we won't have access to these things on day one! While I can understand and let it slide if the developers just have in mind letting us play the game first and get used to the mechanics before delving deep into it, but as long as it is not too long of a wait. The question is exactly what is "shortly after release"? I have seen this promise made before and shortly turned into quite a long time.
When EA released The Sims 3, they stated that the Create-a-World (the tool which allows the user to create full neighborhoods) would follow the game shortly... and that shortly turned into nearly a year. I really hope that this is not the case with these tools, especially since we have already seen the screenshots and, from what I could tell, at least, the World Builder appears to be fully functional. I would say that it should not be more than a couple weeks at most.
Anyway, that is just my thoughts!
......I would have been -5 years old at the time.
Me I was -7 years old.
We weren't even in design phase yetMy design team was in fact yet to be assembled.
Oh, BTW... you all make me feel old! Excluding Dale, who is likely older than me (unless he was programming in BASIC on the Commodore when he was 5 years old... our real life Ender Wiggins, maybe), the closest of the three of you to me in age is Valkrionn... who is 10 years my younger! It is no wonder why you all find programming and XML editing easy as pie... You are all still young enough to have no big obligations or responsibilities (like family and tons of bills) that would hinder your ability to persuit such learning and are at the stage in your lives where you are just absorbing things like a sponge the middle of a lake.
Dang whippersnappers!
Dale
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phungus420
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Man you guys are going to have so much fun working with some of the new revolutionary mod tools, like Mod Buddy. Kinda jealous, wish my computer could play Civ5, or that I had enough money to buy a new comp to play it. T_T
Agreed. Thanks for the blog post Dale. I'm very curious now how modbuddy will work.
warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
I was 8 when I was doing that. '74 baby here.
'74, now I feel old.
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