Modern Alliances

[aob86]

i was considering that, saw that in a mod the other day,
truthfully I thought it was just a name given by the mod creater, but if you know of it, could you give just your two cents? What era should it be in? Upgrade, strength and any special additions

they used them WW2 till today

ww2 - ones were anti-sub, some anti aircraft and some minesweepers. bigger than corvette but smaller than destroyer - slower and less powerful than destroyer

todays - most carry missles either for attacking or air defence. still very much anti-sub. the latest ones have stealth tech

so for me i would have a ww2 one which is anti-sub with a chance to intercept aircraft and an stealth frigate which is anti-sub, can carry missles and chance to intercept both missles and aircraft

 

[dacubz145]

they used them WW2 till today

ww2 - ones were anti-sub, some anti aircraft and some minesweepers. bigger than corvette but smaller than destroyer - slower and less powerful than destroyer

todays - most carry missles either for attacking or air defence. still very much anti-sub. the latest ones have stealth tech

so for me i would have a ww2 one which is anti-sub with a chance to intercept aircraft and an stealth frigate which is anti-sub, can carry missles and chance to intercept both missles and aircraft

Well I can definatly put in the ww2 one but I can't say i can find another stealth ship, the art for stealth ships aren't that common, I will look though

 

[aob86]

Well I can definatly put in the ww2 one but I can't say i can find another stealth ship, the art for stealth ships aren't that common, I will look though

the modern one doesnt have to be stealth just the latest ones are thats all

 

[dacubz145]

I stand corected... by myself! I have a good stealth modern one, which is good because If i have the regular modern frigate, what would i call the nonstealth modern one? the modern modern frigate? Now I can just call it the stealth modern frigate

Anyway, i dont have regular mod frigate art but i found this, do you think this will work or something a lil bit more modern?

 

[aob86]

I stand corected... by myself! I have a good stealth modern one, which is good because If i have the regular modern frigate, what would i call the nonstealth modern one? the modern modern frigate? Now I can just call it the stealth modern frigate

Anyway, i dont have regular mod frigate art but i found this, do you think this will work or something a lil bit more modern?

im sure it will do until something better comes along.

 

[dacubz145]

im sure it will do until something better comes along.

at this point, not to many people make units so I don't plan on seeing something new

Currently working on adding amphibous assault ship and heavy cruiser

 

[aob86]

at this point, not to many people make units so I don't plan on seeing something new

Currently working on adding amphibous assault ship and heavy cruiser

FINALY! lol

I'd given up asking you for those

 

[dacubz145]

FINALY! lol

I'd given up asking you for those

I never liked the naval set up with techs and everything in my mod, so im working on it now, can I ask a quick questoin? well its not so quick but...

tell me if i got this right, the order the units come in (currently) is:
1st) Light cruiser
2nd)Gun boat, predreadnought
3rd)Freighter, landing craft (transport)
4th)Carrier, Coastal Sub
5th)Destroyer, Dreadnought, Cruiser, Tanker(builds oil platform)
6th)Submarine, Transport Submarine
7th)Corvette
8th)Battle Cruiser
9th)Torpedo Boat
10th)Supercarrier
11th)Battleship
12th)Missile Cruiser
13th)Stealth Destroyer, Stealth Corvette

Do any come before or after others that they shouldnt? I feel battleship comes to late but then again it is the strongest naval unit, do any come together that shouldnt? Also where should heavy cruiser and amphibous ship land?

 

[aob86]

I never liked the naval set up with techs and everything in my mod, so im working on it now, can I ask a quick questoin? well its not so quick but...

tell me if i got this right, the order the units come in (currently) is:
1st) Light cruiser
2nd)Gun boat, predreadnought
3rd)Freighter, landing craft (transport)
4th)Carrier, Coastal Sub
5th)Destroyer, Dreadnought, Cruiser, Tanker(builds oil platform)
6th)Submarine, Transport Submarine
7th)Corvette
8th)Battle Cruiser
9th)Torpedo Boat
10th)Supercarrier
11th)Battleship
12th)Missile Cruiser
13th)Stealth Destroyer, Stealth Corvette

Do any come before or after others that they shouldnt? I feel battleship comes to late but then again it is the strongest naval unit, do any come together that shouldnt? Also where should heavy cruiser and amphibous ship land?

1st)Gun boat, Torpedo Boat, Cruiser
2nd)Light cruiser, predreadnought
3rd)Freighter, landing craft (transport)
4th)Destroyer, Dreadnought, Battle Cruiser
5th)Submarine, Coastal Sub
6th)Carrier
7th)Heavy cruiser, Battleship
8th)Corvette, Transport Submarine
9th)Tanker(builds oil platform)
10th)Amphibious assault ship, Supercarrier
11th)Missile Cruiser
12th)Stealth Destroyer, Stealth Corvette

while pre/dreadnoughts are also battleships per se. the battleship represents the last 5 or so years of battleships mid 35s to early 40s and while yes battleships have the biggest guns ever on ships they were no match for planes which could sink them without much trouble which is why they stopped using them, they also wont be a match for most modern ships as they have missles which can hit them at much greater distances than the battleship can and those which do have guns will use shells which im guessing will be a hell of alot better than ww2 shells.
you should also consider changing it so that planes can sink ships, planes sank LOTS of ships in ww2 and put an end to the battleships yet in the game they cant, which makes no sence what so ever

 

[platyping]

you should also consider changing it so that planes can sink ships, planes sank LOTS of ships in ww2 and put an end to the battleships yet in the game they cant, which makes no sence what so ever

Good question lol. It is a big mystery that planes in Civ 4 can only destroy other planes but can't kill a single land/sea unit.

 

[dacubz145]

1st)Gun boat, Torpedo Boat, Cruiser
2nd)Light cruiser, predreadnought
3rd)Freighter, landing craft (transport)
4th)Destroyer, Dreadnought, Battle Cruiser
5th)Submarine, Coastal Sub
6th)Carrier
7th)Heavy cruiser, Battleship
8th)Corvette, Transport Submarine
9th)Tanker(builds oil platform)
10th)Amphibious assault ship, Supercarrier
11th)Missile Cruiser
12th)Stealth Destroyer, Stealth Corvette

while pre/dreadnoughts are also battleships per se. the battleship represents the last 5 or so years of battleships mid 35s to early 40s and while yes battleships have the biggest guns ever on ships they were no match for planes which could sink them without much trouble which is why they stopped using them, they also wont be a match for most modern ships as they have missles which can hit them at much greater distances than the battleship can and those which do have guns will use shells which im guessing will be a hell of alot better than ww2 shells.
you should also consider changing it so that planes can sink ships, planes sank LOTS of ships in ww2 and put an end to the battleships yet in the game they cant, which makes no sence what so ever

First thing for the ship issue, this is what the creaters of civ figured, when a plane attacks a group of infantry, it would be near impossible to kill every single man, so that is the rule for not being able to destroy units completely, and theres really no way to have it for land units and not ships. But personally i was always against that rule, because even if theres 5 men left, if you decide to bomb them again, you would take out most of them, and if not, 5 men wont do sh*t
So finally good to see some1 agrees with me, ill change that except for biplane bombers (since dropping bombs by hand...yeah you couldnt kill much...)

for the ships, I cant have subs and coastal subs at the same time, basically coastal subs is just the name for WW1 subs, and subs WW2 subs
The rest works, but how do the cruisers upgrade? I thought light cruisers upgraded to cruisers, so could you help me with that to? I have cruiser, light cruiser, heavy cruiser, battle cruise and missile cruiser, but what upgrades to what?

 

[aob86]

Good question lol. It is a big mystery that planes in Civ 4 can only destroy other planes but can't kill a single land/sea unit.

they cant even kill other planes really, in war for nearly as long as theres been fighters, they have done preemptive strikes on enemy airbases to wipe out the enemy airforce while its still on the ground, it happens in nearly EVERY war, yet you cant do anything like that in civ 4, why? lol

 

[aob86]

The rest works, but how do the cruisers upgrade? I thought light cruisers upgraded to cruisers, so could you help me with that to? I have cruiser, light cruiser, heavy cruiser, battle cruise and missile cruiser, but what upgrades to what?

the problems with the likes of cruisers and destroyers in your mod is that, alot of them were first invented in 1870s - 1900s but there still used today so just having a "cruiser" is like just having a sherman tank to cover 1918 - 2012 if you get what i mean.

light cruiser - cruiser or heavy cruiser(cost more + if ww2 or later)
cruiser - battle cruiser or heavy cruiser(if ww2 or after)
battle cruiser - heavy cruiser or battleship(costs more)
heavy cruiser - missile cruiser

 

[dacubz145]

Well you have light cruiser coming after cruiser, but you have light cruiser upgraded to cruiser, this is what im thinking:
Light cruiser and cruiser both upgrade to both the heavy cruiser and battle crusier, and both of those to missile cruiser, and battleship cruiser to battleship, Or the same as before but light, heavy and regular cruiser all upgrade to battle cruiser

And your plane problem is fixed beside one thing:
Possibly Platyping can help? When you kill a unit, it does not say you killed it, just says you did the damage to it and the unit dies

 

[aob86]

Well you have light cruiser coming after cruiser, but you have light cruiser upgraded to cruiser, this is what im thinking:
Light cruiser and cruiser both upgrade to both the heavy cruiser and battle crusier, and both of those to missile cruiser, and battleship cruiser to battleship, Or the same as before but light, heavy and regular cruiser all upgrade to battle cruiser

And your plane problem is fixed beside one thing:
Possibly Platyping can help? When you kill a unit, it does not say you killed it, just says you did the damage to it and the unit dies

the idea of the light cruiser came after the idea of the cruiser came about but they were still making cruiser when they started doing light cruisers.
just like when they invented battle cruiser they were still making both light cruisers and cruisers.
and finaly when they invented heavy cruisers they were still making both light cruisers and cruisers .
complicated i know lol

 

[dacubz145]

Please keep one thing in mind, about 2 updates back i put in this thing that makes you be able to build old units, so when you have missile cruisers, if you please you are still welcome to build all of the cruisers before, but i just need to know the update of it, light cruisers seem like a version of cruisers, not an update, so neither of those should update to each other, they should then upgrade to battle cruisers, but the other two are still buildable and usable, the battle cruiser should then upgrade to heavy cruiser, (and battleship) then heavy cruiser to missile cruiser, correct?

 

[aob86]

Please keep one thing in mind, about 2 updates back i put in this thing that makes you be able to build old units, so when you have missile cruisers, if you please you are still welcome to build all of the cruisers before, but i just need to know the update of it, light cruisers seem like a version of cruisers, not an update, so neither of those should update to each other, they should then upgrade to battle cruisers, but the other two are still buildable and usable, the battle cruiser should then upgrade to heavy cruiser, (and battleship) then heavy cruiser to missile cruiser, correct?

ive got the be honest, i didnt like being able to build old units, you only build old units if you dont have the resources to build the modern ones, who still builds a P-51 Mustang or a sherman tank? the countries that still have older units today they bought them off another country not produced there own. when i want to build a plane, i just want the latest ones there to click on, i dont want to have a look at 10 different ones till i figure out which is the newest lol.

but yeah that sounds right to me about the cruiser upgrades

 

[platyping]

And your plane problem is fixed beside one thing:
Possibly Platyping can help? When you kill a unit, it does not say you killed it, just says you did the damage to it and the unit dies

Hmm so I guess you mean, replace the Text File for unit killed message under all circumstances?
If so, I guess you just have to search for the relevant TXT_XXXXXX and edit the text

 

[dacubz145]

Hmm so I guess you mean, replace the Text File for unit killed message under all circumstances?
If so, I guess you just have to search for the relevant TXT_XXXXXX and edit the text

No, it couldnt be via xml, normally in civ, you cant kill a land/naval unit with a plane, so when you do it, it doesnt trigger the txt_key_xxxx because it doesnt recognize it, so editing the txt_key_xxxx wont matter, neither will it effect when you attack it with a plain because 85% of the time you just damage it,
so i thought python would possibly work? a simple program that works like this: if unit is land or naval, and if unit is killed by a land unit, print message unit X was killed by (country) unit Y

 

[dacubz145]

ive got the be honest, i didnt like being able to build old units, you only build old units if you dont have the resources to build the modern ones, who still builds a P-51 Mustang or a sherman tank? the countries that still have older units today they bought them off another country not produced there own. when i want to build a plane, i just want the latest ones there to click on, i dont want to have a look at 10 different ones till i figure out which is the newest lol.

but yeah that sounds right to me about the cruiser upgrades

Well its from the J, so if we can find out a better way to do it im sure he can do it, any ideas? otherwise I can just obsolete the units as we want them gone