dacubz145
Deity
Ot only works with btw, as many do these days, sorry
Modern Alliances
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pole475
The Blinding Light
well thats too bad it still is a great mod with alot of good civs.
aob86
King
@ dacubz145 looks like your country is making yet more moves to counter china in the pacific
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18305750
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18305750
dacubz145
Deity
@ aob
idk why the hell we arent already 60% there. Im a lot more scared of Asia than I am of europe. Between North korea and britian...i would say nk is a bigger threat...just by a hair
@ Greathouses, yeah can't say WW3 is going to happen like that. No were in that article does it say world war 3 (beside advertisement on side). If the cold war didnt lead to ww3, then not much can
idk why the hell we arent already 60% there. Im a lot more scared of Asia than I am of europe. Between North korea and britian...i would say nk is a bigger threat...just by a hair
@ Greathouses, yeah can't say WW3 is going to happen like that. No were in that article does it say world war 3 (beside advertisement on side). If the cold war didnt lead to ww3, then not much can
aob86
King
@ aob
idk why the hell we arent already 60% there. Im a lot more scared of Asia than I am of europe. Between North korea and britian...i would say nk is a bigger threat...just by a hair
we will rise again, the british empire will be reborn!!! and USA will be our first pray
but seriously probably incase the russians attack you from that side like they did in modern warefare 3 
once that dictator putin has finished putting everyone who doesnt like him in Gulags he may decide to take advantage of the fact that your now paying more attention to china than them.
dacubz145
Deity
Thats why we are moving to the pacific, to make sure the mongolian empire does not rise againwe will rise again, the british empire will be reborn!!! and USA will be our first pray
once that dictator putin has finished putting everyone who doesnt like him in Gulags he may decide to take advantage of the fact that your now paying more attention to china than them.
Force an animal into a corner does not make any sence
Our number one foreign trader is china. I dont need to wikipedia that. Our eceonmies are based off of eachother. Cornering an animal means we would place military all around them and attack and driving their army into a corner. Trapping them into a corner happen at the end of the war. We trapped germany at the end of WW2 in germany and berlin...yeah we won... That saying does not work for warefar at all
If you think the recession now or even 1907 is any were even close to the crash of 1929..well i cant help you there. you are simply wrong at that point.
We still have nuclear weapons, and we will for a long time forward. Just cause Cold war is over does not mean MAD goes away
dacubz145
Deity
2.7 uploaded. Korean war not ready so that will be in next, sorry
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aob86
King
@ dacubz145.
theres alot of countries out there that hate USA so dont be supriced if they think USA will start WW3 and not the peace loving governments of the likes of china who are occupying tibet, using Violent repression of there people just look at the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and have you seen there south china sea claims.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/South_China_Sea_claims.jpg
if you step off the beach in the philippines, vietnam or malaysia you go into chinese waters because thats not utterly outrageous at all is it
as for russia putin is passing new laws against all the protests against him, you now the ones he hasnt already had jailed and as well as getting some of the political opposition banned and the latest election from which he was voted back as president was widely seen as being fraud. they invaded Georgia in 2008 and not forgetting about the russian sleeper agents found in USA in 2010.
oh yeah that definitely cries to me two peace loving countries who without USA "backing them into a corner" would most definitely not much worse if not for USA keeping them in check. just as im sure if it wasnt for the big bad wolf USA the cold war would not of happened but not because russia would of just invaded or nuked the whole of europe oh no because they are an peace loving government as we all know
theres alot of countries out there that hate USA so dont be supriced if they think USA will start WW3 and not the peace loving governments of the likes of china who are occupying tibet, using Violent repression of there people just look at the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and have you seen there south china sea claims.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/South_China_Sea_claims.jpg
if you step off the beach in the philippines, vietnam or malaysia you go into chinese waters because thats not utterly outrageous at all is it
as for russia putin is passing new laws against all the protests against him, you now the ones he hasnt already had jailed and as well as getting some of the political opposition banned and the latest election from which he was voted back as president was widely seen as being fraud. they invaded Georgia in 2008 and not forgetting about the russian sleeper agents found in USA in 2010.
oh yeah that definitely cries to me two peace loving countries who without USA "backing them into a corner" would most definitely not much worse if not for USA keeping them in check. just as im sure if it wasnt for the big bad wolf USA the cold war would not of happened but not because russia would of just invaded or nuked the whole of europe oh no because they are an peace loving government as we all know
dacubz145
Deity
Russian democracy is a joke, everyone knows putin is establishing a totalitarian government. Atleast this time around they dont need to go through communism to get there@ dacubz145.
theres alot of countries out there that hate USA so dont be supriced if they think USA will start WW3 and not the peace loving governments of the likes of china who are occupying tibet, using Violent repression of there people just look at the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and have you seen there south china sea claims.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/South_China_Sea_claims.jpg
if you step off the beach in the philippines, vietnam or malaysia you go into chinese waters because thats not utterly outrageous at all is it
as for russia putin is passing new laws against all the protests against him, you now the ones he hasnt already had jailed and as well as getting some of the political opposition banned and the latest election from which he was voted back as president was widely seen as being fraud. they invaded Georgia in 2008 and not forgetting about the russian sleeper agents found in USA in 2010.
oh yeah that definitely cries to me two peace loving countries who without USA "backing them into a corner" would most definitely not much worse if not for USA keeping them in check. just as im sure if it wasnt for the big bad wolf USA the cold war would not of happened but not because russia would of just invaded or nuked the whole of europe oh no because they are an peace loving government as we all know
Keeping them in check and backing them into a corner are to very different things. Backing them into a corner means you put the animal in a corner with no were to go so it attacks you, it just simply does not translate into war/governements in my opinion, just really no corloation when its international
aob86
King
Nothing in the world is black and white. There’s just different shades of gray same applies to democracy and all governments use propaganda in someway. All governments want the world to think there a good governments and want there people to think there doing a good job just depending on what type of government they are is to how far they will go to and whether they use violence or not. They already have the extremist groups as the big threat to world peace so why would they want to also paint china as threat too?
Chinas actions E.G china occupying Tibet, using Violent repression of there people e.g. Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and south china sea claims are not made up propaganda its what they have done and it doesn’t scream an peaceful government to me they have made aggressive moves regardless of any "propaganda". I resent the accusation the British media is an machine of American I have seen many anti-American articles and reports in the British media and vie seen plenty of documentaries about wars like Vietnam which told it exactly has it was including napalming villagers and civilians. The British media maybe allot of things like underhand b*****ds but an outlet for US propaganda they are not!
No one said just because the cold war ended that the west and Russia would become friends over night. People have long memories. There are still countries that hate us British for stuff we did 200 years ago so Russia wouldn’t become allies with the west overnight and Russia’s reaction to the missile shield in Europe to protect against countries like Iran says it all. the only reason Russia is upset about the new missile shield is because Russia has never given up its want to wipe out Europe if Russia truly wanted peace then Russia wouldn’t of reacted in the way it did or came up with a viable alternative but last time I checked there’s not 1000s of US and Russian tanks and infantry sat waiting for the other to attack and there both reducing there nuclear missiles not like the 60s so if its not ended then its changed to the ice cold war then because compared to the 60s it looks pretty peaceful to me.
USA governments job is to protect its people by all means and a missile shield is a very good way to do that and in no way an act of aggression. while its not wrong for Russia and china to not be happy with an missile shield just as the west would be if china or Russia built one, there not happy because it gives USA an advantage over them not because its an act of aggression.
While democracy in general isn’t perfect as with anything else in the world and a 2 party system isn’t as Democratic as some countries in my opinion, you cannot compare Russia to USA that’s ridiculous. Putin is clearly setting up a one party state with him in charge and arresting anyone with disagrees with him.
You got to love all the conspiracy theories, all it was missing on the endoftheamericandream.com was that the moon landings were faked and were actually filmed in a warehouse in Florida. That’s providing it’s not actually already on there somewhere
Chinas actions E.G china occupying Tibet, using Violent repression of there people e.g. Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and south china sea claims are not made up propaganda its what they have done and it doesn’t scream an peaceful government to me they have made aggressive moves regardless of any "propaganda". I resent the accusation the British media is an machine of American I have seen many anti-American articles and reports in the British media and vie seen plenty of documentaries about wars like Vietnam which told it exactly has it was including napalming villagers and civilians. The British media maybe allot of things like underhand b*****ds but an outlet for US propaganda they are not!
No one said just because the cold war ended that the west and Russia would become friends over night. People have long memories. There are still countries that hate us British for stuff we did 200 years ago so Russia wouldn’t become allies with the west overnight and Russia’s reaction to the missile shield in Europe to protect against countries like Iran says it all. the only reason Russia is upset about the new missile shield is because Russia has never given up its want to wipe out Europe if Russia truly wanted peace then Russia wouldn’t of reacted in the way it did or came up with a viable alternative but last time I checked there’s not 1000s of US and Russian tanks and infantry sat waiting for the other to attack and there both reducing there nuclear missiles not like the 60s so if its not ended then its changed to the ice cold war then because compared to the 60s it looks pretty peaceful to me.
USA governments job is to protect its people by all means and a missile shield is a very good way to do that and in no way an act of aggression. while its not wrong for Russia and china to not be happy with an missile shield just as the west would be if china or Russia built one, there not happy because it gives USA an advantage over them not because its an act of aggression.
While democracy in general isn’t perfect as with anything else in the world and a 2 party system isn’t as Democratic as some countries in my opinion, you cannot compare Russia to USA that’s ridiculous. Putin is clearly setting up a one party state with him in charge and arresting anyone with disagrees with him.
You got to love all the conspiracy theories, all it was missing on the endoftheamericandream.com was that the moon landings were faked and were actually filmed in a warehouse in Florida. That’s providing it’s not actually already on there somewhere
dacubz145
Deity
I dont know how you can call it a depression when it simply is not. Bill gates did not loose all of his money trying to save the economy. There has not been 10 years of prosperity preceding the crash. There was not one day where the stocks went from making billions a day to the worst crash in history and a depression in one day. That simply did not happen, and its not a depression. Despressions are defined by statistical numbers. We are in a recession, not a depression. If you knew a lot about how bad the depression was, you wouldnt even compare it. It simply does not compare.There isn't a recession. It's a Depression. The reality is that America's unemployment is hovering between 23% and 30%. Combined with a $211 Trillion Fiscal Gap and the reality is parallel to that of the Great Depression. However Media and Government suppress the information in their claims of an economic 'recovery'. The Western and Eastern world are currently in a pre-collapse stage due to overburdening debts and because of unregulated Derivatives market gambling which was shown through the $2 Billion loss by JPMorgan. Parallels to the 1930's are repeating.
Read this:
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...n-working-age-americans-that-do-not-have-jobs
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26763
The Cold War between NATO-Russia/China(SCO) never ended. It simply took on more distinct forms. If you think that the Cold War ended then you have not properly analysed the heightened issues and tensions between NATO and the SCO.
A policy of Encirclement is occurring through the deployment of the Missile Shield aimed at the SCO and primarily Russia/China. A BMD deployment is always in lock-step with a First-strike doctrine and warfare. You can gain some insight into this issue by consulting the following:
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27987
As is the American two-party system that forces voters to choose either Democrat or Republican. It's called the False Left-Right Paradigm and voters wonder why nothing changes when they vote for either that's because their both working for the same cause (ie the same wings of the albatross). If you consider the USA to be a democracy then you are in for a rude awakening. You can look through the articles here for a better understanding:
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/category/big-brother
Here is also a Great article on the subject of the American Police State:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31220
You are more then welcome to post as many articles about conspiracy theories, doesn't mean i will beleive it. No one says you need to vote democracy or republic. Any one in the world is more more more than welcome to vote for any party they want, or vote start a new party as they please. There is a reason there are the two parties, because that is what the people want. It is a lot more black and white then you think. Abortion, gay-marriage, etc etc you cant be in the middle, either you are against or for it. Republicans and democrats do not have to agree with everything in their party. Mitt romney who is going to go against obama in the next election is actually not a "strong" republican, and is pretty moderate.
Don't tell me us isn't a democracy because at that point your simply wrong
Theres actually a very popular show in the US called mythbusters, which scietifically see if mythes are true are not. They actually prooved that the space conspiracy theory was false. They even went on one of those planes were they dive down really quickly and theres no gravity, and it couldn't be done. And im sure they didn't have those planes back thenNothing in the world is black and white. Theres just different shades of gray same applies to democracy and all governments use propaganda in someway. All governments want the world to think there a good governments and want there people to think there doing a good job just depending on what type of government they are is to how far they will go to and whether they use violence or not. They already have the extremist groups as the big threat to world peace so why would they want to also paint china as threat too?
Chinas actions E.G china occupying Tibet, using Violent repression of there people e.g. Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 and south china sea claims are not made up propaganda its what they have done and it doesnt scream an peaceful government to me they have made aggressive moves regardless of any "propaganda". I resent the accusation the British media is an machine of American I have seen many anti-American articles and reports in the British media and vie seen plenty of documentaries about wars like Vietnam which told it exactly has it was including napalming villagers and civilians. The British media maybe allot of things like underhand b*****ds but an outlet for US propaganda they are not!
No one said just because the cold war ended that the west and Russia would become friends over night. People have long memories. There are still countries that hate us British for stuff we did 200 years ago so Russia wouldnt become allies with the west overnight and Russias reaction to the missile shield in Europe to protect against countries like Iran says it all. the only reason Russia is upset about the new missile shield is because Russia has never given up its want to wipe out Europe if Russia truly wanted peace then Russia wouldnt of reacted in the way it did or came up with a viable alternative but last time I checked theres not 1000s of US and Russian tanks and infantry sat waiting for the other to attack and there both reducing there nuclear missiles not like the 60s so if its not ended then its changed to the ice cold war then because compared to the 60s it looks pretty peaceful to me.
USA governments job is to protect its people by all means and a missile shield is a very good way to do that and in no way an act of aggression. while its not wrong for Russia and china to not be happy with an missile shield just as the west would be if china or Russia built one, there not happy because it gives USA an advantage over them not because its an act of aggression.
While democracy in general isnt perfect as with anything else in the world and a 2 party system isnt as Democratic as some countries in my opinion, you cannot compare Russia to USA thats ridiculous. Putin is clearly setting up a one party state with him in charge and arresting anyone with disagrees with him.
You got to love all the conspiracy theories, all it was missing on the endoftheamericandream.com was that the moon landings were faked and were actually filmed in a warehouse in Florida. Thats providing its not actually already on there somewhere
Democracy is made to be as perfect as the people as a whole. Putin is just trying to do exactly what stalin did. Thats why we learn about the holocaust...history adventually repeats itself. Something tells me russian students don't learn that Stalin killed almost twice as many people as hitler did
Can't say i agree with two-party system, but just because it there doesn't mean theres no democracy.
Yes everyone uses propaganda. WW2 was the height of propaganda, even for the US as there were so many ones for war bonds, the army. But never got beyond that, really. And right now its just the army pretty much just with TV commercials.
Cold wars over. Simply is over. Wether or not ther ewil be a new confirtation is a different story but the US won the cold war. Theres no more soviet Union.
As soon as either china or US figures out how to control its own economy, then we can talk about confirtations, because an actual war between the two would crash the world economy as well as neither of them would gain anything. THey both want to keep power, and they both know without the other, for the time being, the power would suffer
aob86
King
i know i like mythbusters, i watch it often
i never thought id see the day where i defended USA
but what he said wasnt right, im not USA's biggest fan by any means, USA's foreign policy in the past has been utterly wrong and ive disagreed with it alot and ive seen USA thinking it owns the world even in the UK (watched a tv program about USA nuclear missles in UK, wont go into the details) but to compare USA to russia is a joke and i sure as hell dont take kindly to people saying the british media is a pupet for US propaganda either.this is a good example of silly conspiracy theories and people believing any old crap they read on the internet. didnt i read 20% of americans now think 911 was an conspiracy by bushes government or something stupid like that?
dacubz145
Deity
Can't say 20%, but that is probably the most famous theory. I can't say i know a single person that beleive thats, so that stat is a bit exaturated im sure.
But i got to admit that one has the "best" case behind it. To say the US wanted to go into the middle east for oil reasons is not that crazy, but saying we would go through that to do it is crazy. Much easier to fake some diplomatic stuff
When i bring up tv shows, i dont know if they have it in the UK as well so thats why i explain them
Just for you, we will change our foreign policy. We wont help you in any world wars, and next time a foreign country like UK owes us billions of dollars, we won't forgive it. Also next time foreign countries need a crap load of money to be dumped into their economy to ensure them from not turning communism, we will keep that money to ourselfes. Good advise
But i got to admit that one has the "best" case behind it. To say the US wanted to go into the middle east for oil reasons is not that crazy, but saying we would go through that to do it is crazy. Much easier to fake some diplomatic stuff
When i bring up tv shows, i dont know if they have it in the UK as well so thats why i explain them
Just for you, we will change our foreign policy. We wont help you in any world wars, and next time a foreign country like UK owes us billions of dollars, we won't forgive it. Also next time foreign countries need a crap load of money to be dumped into their economy to ensure them from not turning communism, we will keep that money to ourselfes. Good advise
aob86
King
i was taking about your foreign policy after ww2,USA came through for the UK and europe and i will be the first to admit that and thank USA but at the same time you didnt do it out of the goodness of your hearts you did it because in the long term it was to your advantage because and as you pointed out your self to keep the commies out and post WW2 well where were USA during the falkland island conflict nowhere thats where and also as pro the anglo-americans alliance as i am i still question if the crap hit the fan and mainland GB was under attack if USA would actually help us. i dont think you would help us military unless it suited USA.
dacubz145
Deity
Not sure if you noticed, but just about everytime some1 enters a war it is because of their own interest. It is simply how the world runs. Its not us that does that, it is UK as well. UK will not enter a war if it does not give them a benefit in return.
aob86
King
and exactly what did the UK get out of the iraq and afganistan wars exactly? other than all the dead service men and women coming home in coffins just so bush could get his hands on oil of course....
dacubz145
Deity
As soon as we go to ww3 with china, and people say it is because of the 2008 recession and historians magically begin to think its a deperession, then i will admit you are right, till then, yes, it is simply a theory
dacubz145
Deity
Well oil is the obvoius answer. Its not bush its the whole world. Every country in the middle east with oil is important to us as if one of them stop trading oil with some coutnries it can send a shockwave throught the world economy. If all of a sudden we allow all these dictators to take over the middle east, with so little in charge they could easily change the world economy
Smaller answers would be diplomatically. UK sends troops so they look like they are on the good side to the US. You guys dont care what Iraq/afghanistan think about you so send some troops and keep better relations with US, and with other countries that help. Also get the upper hand vs. US meaning we "owe" you one. A bunch of little things like that
aob86
King
Gas in london is the second highest price in the world so i disagree that we got any of the oil.
yeah your probably right pretending to still be a big player on the world stage and to get into USA's good books.
i just see all the good men and women coming home in boxes and our economy as bad it is and gas price being soo expencive here and i see dont see what real advantage being in your countries good books will be if the crap hits the fan.
dacubz145
Deity
Chicago is highest in USA, atleast it was a while ago not sure if it still is
But its not that UK gets the oil directly, its all indireclty through the economy. Even if Iraq stops selling oil to US, then us has to get it from other coutnries, so more demand, so they raise the prices, so those places charge UK more. Thats the problem with the US, you guys think its all bad we need to intervene but we have the largest economy so we need to. If something effects us it effects the whole world, so intervening sometimes helps your economy a lot more then you would think
But its not that UK gets the oil directly, its all indireclty through the economy. Even if Iraq stops selling oil to US, then us has to get it from other coutnries, so more demand, so they raise the prices, so those places charge UK more. Thats the problem with the US, you guys think its all bad we need to intervene but we have the largest economy so we need to. If something effects us it effects the whole world, so intervening sometimes helps your economy a lot more then you would think
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