[R&F] Mongolia First Look

I've been reading people saying that he is gonna lose his visibility once war breaks out...That makes 0 sense from a design stand point. Why bother telling us that he gets bonus power with civs he has visibility with if we are never going to use hat power? If what some are saying is the case, they should have just said that you get power from trade posts and that's about it (since trade posts don't disappear with war).

On a more serious note, some historical background/evaluation for the uniques:

UA: Örtöö: Ortoo were checkpoint used across the empire for faster communication. In a similar fashion to what the Romans did, one horsemen would ride from one checkpoint to another, and from there another one will go to a third one and so on. Fast and efficient way to communicate across long distances. This is obviously represented in game by the trading post aspect of the ability (built faster). This ties to the power gained from visibility, both a nod to Mongols obtaining knowledge about enemies miles away (thanks to the ortoo) and also to a common strategy used by them. They would almost always send a messenger asking a city to surrender, spreading terror without even being remotely close to said city.

UB: Ordu: That's where the word horde comes from and, unlike the way we us it now (cof cof the leader ability) it only referred to the socio-political structure typical of many central Asian societies. That said, the in game building has nothing to do with it but is nonetheless extremely historically accurate. Faster horses, thus faster army, was the true key to the Mongols' military success.

UU: Keshig: The keshig were the bodyguards of the Khans and generally would not ride in battle with the rest of the army. Let's be real, they need a name for a special unit and there's close to none out there, especially for a horse archer unit (mangudais in AoEII are a misrepresentation), so they keep using the keshig and that's fine, but not accurate. Although the escort part might be a reference to their role as bodyguards and that indeed is pretty cool.

LUA: Mongol Horde: Horses are stronger and the capturing and subsequent increase in their number is an obvious reference to Genghis unifying the various Mongol tribes to make his army larger and larger and larger. And yes...not a single Mongol did not own a horse or knew how to ride and shoot. +3 to all cavalry is the bare minimum.
 
Maybe one of the strongest Civ ever seen.

Better than Scythia, Mongol can rush by chariots if not having enough horses. The bonus is too strong.

Although I'd like to say the diplo visibility actually does not bonus that much since embassys are destroyed when the war being declared. maybe 1 level from trading posting is all? Are trading posts destroyed too?

Also, Mongol wars are much quicker (better than Persia) since battering rams move at 6 speed...

I'd like to say it has a strength of Persia+Scythia, shall be ranked at 1~3( Aztec, Sumeria)
 
BTW, I see no chance Korea or Dutch worth a little fraction of the strength of Mongolia. Even at Science Victory maybe Mongolia is of the similar strength as Korea due to its fast conquest.
 
I got the blog to open on my phone, even though it doesn't work on my pc.

Here is an interesting picture. You can't see city names or borders. Is that a new palace in the upper left?
Mongolia_keshig.jpg
 
I got the blog to open on my phone, even though it doesn't work on my pc.

Here is an interesting picture. You can't see city names or borders. Is that a new palace in the upper left?
Mongolia_keshig.jpg

That palace style is old. It's the same one used by India, Scythia and Arabia.

Delicate Arch appears again. :D

I wonder why the Website has this problem. Not sure why it would work on the phone, but not the pc/laptop. Hopefully it will be fixed soon...
 
Genghis Khan is a leader of Mongolia again. Now we have Genghis Khan, Alexander, Gandhi and Montezuma who are iconic leader in this game.

I expect Kublai Khan or Ogadei Khan to be leader of Mongolia as Civ 6 does not wanted returning leader from Civ 5.
Possible that Mongolia could have a 2nd leader by the end of the reveals in Kublai Khan.
 
Possible that Mongolia could have a 2nd leader by the end of the reveals in Kublai Khan.

Ed Beach stated that the alt-leader is for an existing civ.
 
As powerful as they look, the Mongols look pretty boring to play as, honestly.
What's the highest level of diplomatic visibility you can get with someone while being at war, anyway? I think there are 4 things you can do:
- embassy/delegation
- trade route
- spy or being ally
- printing
- for the khans, trade post

I guess the first 2 won't work at war, so you can have 3 levels during war at most?

It's still at least +6 combat strength (you always get +3 from the leader ability), possibly +12 from renaissance on. That's huge.
It basically means that you can't rush too easily, but from stirrups on your enemies better had some advantage.
 
I got the blog to open on my phone, even though it doesn't work on my pc.

Here is an interesting picture. You can't see city names or borders. Is that a new palace in the upper left?
Mongolia_keshig.jpg
Is the appearance of those spearmen old, or are we getting more unit diversity as well?
 
maybe 1 level from trading posting is all? Are trading posts destroyed too?

Trading posts are not destroyed by war. They will be your only source of (non-peaceful) diplomatic visibility for the first three eras of the game.

In the Renaissance era, you can get the printing technology and use a spy to perform a listening post mission, for an additional two levels of diplomatic visibility.

If you get lucky, you can recruit the great merchant Mary Katherine Goddard in the modern era to completely max out diplomatic visibility.
 
Anyone spot Mongolia's icon symbol in the First Look video?
 
Trading posts are not destroyed by war. They will be your only source of (non-peaceful) diplomatic visibility for the first three eras of the game.

In the Renaissance era, you can get the printing technology and use a spy to perform a listening post mission, for an additional two levels of diplomatic visibility.

If you get lucky, you can recruit the great merchant Mary Katherine Goddard in the modern era to completely max out diplomatic visibility.

Thank you. But if there's no longer trade routes, will trading posts disappear in a few turns?

Anyway things after Printing shall be useless. Getting the +9 is good enough, with Mongol UA capturing Civs will take a very short time before trading posts expires?
 
Thank you. But if there's no longer trade routes, will trading posts disappear in a few turns?

Anyway things after Printing shall be useless. Getting the +9 is good enough, with Mongol UA capturing Civs will take a very short time before trading posts expires?

Trading posts are permanent. They don't go away unless the city itself does.
 
This may inspire me to name units for the first time. Create four Keshigs and name them Death, Famine, War, and Conquest
Kudos for not replacing Conquest with Pestilence, that's a weird pet peeve of mine.

Is the appearance of those spearmen old, or are we getting more unit diversity as well?
Persian Immortals, aren't they?

Anyone spot Mongolia's icon symbol in the First Look video?
Looks like the same flame (from the Soyombo symbol) as in V.
 
Trading posts are not destroyed by war. They will be your only source of (non-peaceful) diplomatic visibility for the first three eras of the game.

In the Renaissance era, you can get the printing technology and use a spy to perform a listening post mission, for an additional two levels of diplomatic visibility.

If you get lucky, you can recruit the great merchant Mary Katherine Goddard in the modern era to completely max out diplomatic visibility.
Yeah, it's not the Mongol delegations you should fear, it's the Mongol caravan coming over the horizon toward you. Do you declare war before it arrives and insta-builds a trading post? Or do let it arrive and prepare for a possible onslaught?
 
Yeah, it's not the Mongol delegations you should fear, it's the Mongol caravan coming over the horizon toward you. Do you declare war before it arrives and insta-builds a trading post? Or do let it arrive and prepare for a possible onslaught?

From the video, the trading post is created immediately when you start a trade route. So if you see a Mongol caravan coming towards you, it's too late.
 
Considering Genghis has the only other Civ ability in the game that directly encourages building spies for diplo modifiers, it seems Catherine will be head over heels with making friends with him... until he declares war back at least.
 
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