Montezuma

[conception]

I always keep on Ragnar's good side by just bribing him to fight whoever I wish at the time. You don't have to worry about being attacked if you always keep the warmonger occupied with someone else. In one of my recent games, I have a sizeable tech lead so I would bribe him to go to war with some who I wanted as vassal, then when he really softened them up I'd bribe for peace, swoop in and take a few weak cities and get them to capitulate.

 

[DSYoungEsq]

Folks, this thread is looking for braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains. Just keep that in mind when replying to older posts.

 

[conception]

Folks, this thread is looking for braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains. Just keep that in mind when replying to older posts.

Some of us just read topics that are up top and reply when we feel compelled. I didn't look at a starting date although I'm sure somebody back there did.

 

[StargazingDog]

The original person who brought the thread back wasn't replying to the OP, so it doesn't really matter how old the thread is. I just take it as a 2-for-1 thread and enjoy.

 

[sabo]

Shaka is just as bad, he's attacked me when I was the same religion and he was happy with me

 

[CHEESE!]

Monty is a full basket of fruit. He will attack you if you married his sister and named all your kids after him.

Better said than any ol' calculations.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You need almost double monty's power to use that to prevent a declaration. Better to bribe him elsewhere or at least get him to pleased while there are people he hates around.

 

[Pangur Bán]

I thought Catherine was the only leader who could declare at friendly...that's not correct then?

 

[Absolute Zero]

No, I think Catherine's the only leader to declare at Friendly. Quite a few leaders declare at Pleased, including Monty.

 

[Orzio]

No leader can declare at friendly by themself. Catherine is the only leader that can be bribed into declaring war at friendly.

 

[Kawalimus]

Also getting them to friendly isn't gonna stop them from declaring if they're already in a buildup.

 

[Zeusophobia]

Lol I was about to post a similar topic until I saw this. Just playing a game on Noble as the Khmer empire, I'm bordering Kublai Khan, but we are Friendly with each other as we are the same religion. In fact, we had a +11 relationship, the only -1 being our close borders spark tensions.

But he has just declared war on me?! He is still 'Pleased' with me despite being at war, and I wasn't terribly weak compared to him (0.7 weaker according to that mod thing). I'm not on Aggressive AI either, is he really that aggressive that he declares war on his best friends?

 

[Kawalimus]

Lol I was about to post a similar topic until I saw this. Just playing a game on Noble as the Khmer empire, I'm bordering Kublai Khan, but we are Friendly with each other as we are the same religion. In fact, we had a +11 relationship, the only -1 being our close borders spark tensions.

But he has just declared war on me?! He is still 'Pleased' with me despite being at war, and I wasn't terribly weak compared to him (0.7 weaker according to that mod thing). I'm not on Aggressive AI either, is he really that aggressive that he declares war on his best friends?

I'm pretty sure what happened is what I said in the post above yours. He was already in a buildup, in 'war mode' so to speak. So even getting him to friendly isn't going to stop him from declaring on you in that case.

A good thing to try if you're worried about a pleased/newly friendly neighbor declaring on you, try begging for a small amount of gold or GPT. If successful it'll give you a 10 turn peace treaty.

 

[DSYoungEsq]

The original person who brought the thread back wasn't replying to the OP, so it doesn't really matter how old the thread is. I just take it as a 2-for-1 thread and enjoy.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with a zombie thread.


What I did say was that replying to a post from back then as if the person who posted will read your reply makes a perhaps unreasonable assumption. I made that comment only because one of the newer posts appeared to be doing just that. Obviously, if you are just adding wisdom to the thread, and don't expect the person you're quoting to read your reply, then you won't care.


I've said it elsewhere about Montezuma:

Rule #1: Kill Monty.

Rule #2: When in doubt, when all else fails, refer to Rule #1.

 

[Monsterzuma]

I have this effect on people...


About monty: he isn't quite as bad as Shaka, and is easier to rush than Toku. The main two reasons for his failure are his obsession with religions, and the defective UU that he spams like a madman despite that it is both weak as hell and extremely easy to counter with bonusses (axes, shock).

 

[Zeusophobia]

I'm pretty sure what happened is what I said in the post above yours. He was already in a buildup, in 'war mode' so to speak. So even getting him to friendly isn't going to stop him from declaring on you in that case.

A good thing to try if you're worried about a pleased/newly friendly neighbor declaring on you, try begging for a small amount of gold or GPT. If successful it'll give you a 10 turn peace treaty.

Ah right okay, think I'm just going to be a lot more cautious when bordering civs like them! I've just finished the game and I failed, on another continent was Shaka who also loved war and conquering people, he declared war on me about 5 times. With 11 turns to go and him dominating the points because he had so many vassals, I set my spaceship off but he ended up winning via diplomatic anyway

 

[GodSaveMe]

Monty drives me nuts! I take him out as soon as possible, and he is usually my first target (an aggressive enemy with centuries of development is not a good combination--the longer he lasts the more dangerous he is).

 

[Mathalamus]

monty in my recent game built up quite a decent empire by conquering the English, Carthaginian and Roman Empires. you can imagine it was quite large. the Ottoman Empire apparently thought monty was a dangerous psycho so he declared war and invaded the Aztec Empire. man did i enjoy his cities winking out of the map one by one. i was too lazy to shove a peace treaty between them.

 

[j_mie6]

When I saw that Monty had enough on his hands right now, even though I was owning him in the tech race, I panicked and signed a DP with the 2nd strongest person in the world, Kublai Khan, only later to realise it wasn't me he was after but Kublai, so I got dragged into it anyway

 

[conception]

When I saw that Monty had enough on his hands right now, even though I was owning him in the tech race, I panicked and signed a DP with the 2nd strongest person in the world, Kublai Khan, only later to realise it wasn't me he was after but Kublai, so I got dragged into it anyway

That's pretty funny right there. Sometimes you just can't win.