[GS] Most OP Civ for GS

[Pietato]

Not in the first 50 turns.

EDIT: It IS immunity, for the first 50 turns, WHICH IS WHEN IT MATTERS.

What are you talking about? The AI will often denounce you within 1 turn of meeting them...

 

[Archon_Wing]

Barbs are a problem but if you get a start surrounded by city states and other civs it's fine.

You have no control over this.

And if you are surrounded by cs's it will suck because you can't take them over if they get in the way.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Given how denounce happy the AI is, I really don't think it matters that much.

AI usually denounce anyway if they dislike you. This bonus will however protect you indirectly by giving you more time to prepare for an assault.

I get denounced by hostile civilizations pretty often before a war declaration.

I didn't say it's insignificant, but it's not immunity as you imply.

What I'm curious about is how often you've seen the AI use Formal War? I don't think I've ever seen it. Even when the AI has denounced me, it still declares Surprise War, not Formal War, even when both are available. Possibly this has been changed for GS.

I'm also curious about whether Joint Wars will be effective against Canada? If so, that would seem to be the way the AI attacks Canada. Per @MarigoldRan's point, that will be much later than the AI currently attacks you on Deity.

 

[MarigoldRan]

You have no control over this.

And if you are surrounded by cs's it will suck because you can't take them over if they get in the way.

That's not true. You can take them over by declaring on the civ that controls the city state.

 

[MarigoldRan]

What are you talking about? The AI will often denounce you within 1 turn of meeting them...

Only Cleopatra (who hates weak people) does that, of whom you're NOT going to start next to if you're Canada.

Also, delegations. You're not going to get DOWed in the first 50 turns as Canada.

And for barbs, you can use scouts.

 

[Bosque]

Just now playing random deity and got Monty. Went to attack Quinn and he had a lot of troops, banged Amani in Vilnius and for 150 gold I got 3 warriors. Why have we not been using this more?

I don't levy city states often. But I do try to be suzerain of every CS in the game, and am frequently successful. The times I levy is usually when an AI leader attacks my CS. By levying I can frequently surround the CS with my temporary units, so that the AI attacker can't reach the city to take it. That is an effective strategy to save a CS when I am not in a good position to declare war my self.

 

[AmazonQueen]

That's not true. You can take them over by declaring on the civ that controls the city state.

But if their strength is avoiding wars and not having to build military you don't want to go to war with somebody just because they control a city state near you do you? Especially if its Hungary.

 

[Ziad]

What I'm curious about is how often you've seen the AI use Formal War? I don't think I've ever seen it. Even when the AI has denounced me, it still declares Surprise War, not Formal War, even when both are available. Possibly this has been changed for GS..

The AI may be inclined to use a surprise war rather than wait for a formal war (especially in the early game when warmongering penalties are nil), but as you are denounced regardless they would simply revert to a formal war as it's the next available thing.

 

[MarigoldRan]

But if their strength is avoiding wars and not having to build military you don't want to go to war with somebody just because they control a city state near you do you? Especially if its Hungary.

The whole point of playing Canada is to pretend to be peaceful, until you're ready to CONQUER THE WORLD.

 

[MarigoldRan]

The AI may be inclined to use a surprise war rather than wait for a formal war (especially in the early game when warmongering penalties are nil), but as you are denounced regardless they would simply revert to a formal war as it's the next available thing.

Yes, but they can't DOW until they denounce you, and they won't denounce you if you send them delegations.

The only AI I've noticed that denounces super quickly is Cleopatra and as Canada you don't start near Cleopetra.

Your neighbors are going to be Roosevelt, Russia, or Cree, and they're easy to get on the good side.

 

[AmazonQueen]

The whole point of playing Canada is to pretend to be peaceful, until you're ready to CONQUER THE WORLD.

I don't think thats how most people are going to play Canada

 

[MarigoldRan]

I don't think thats how most people are going to play Canada

I don't understand. That's the only way I can imagine them being played as.

 

[Pietato]

Yes, but they can't DOW until they denounce you, and they won't denounce you if you send them delegations.

The only AI I've noticed that denounces super quickly is Cleopatra and as Canada you don't start near Cleopetra.

Your neighbors are going to be Roosevelt, Russia, or Cree, and they're easy to get on the good side.

wut

 

[MarigoldRan]

Roosevelts easy if you're on the same continent as him.

 

[Sagax]

Yes, but they can't DOW until they denounce you, and they won't denounce you if you send them delegations.

The only AI I've noticed that denounces super quickly is Cleopatra and as Canada you don't start near Cleopetra.

Your neighbors are going to be Roosevelt, Russia, or Cree, and they're easy to get on the good side.

Cultural neighbors off. Face that Monty like a man! /s

 

[MarigoldRan]

Yes, but Monty CAN'T surprise DOW you if you're Canada. And if you avoid your lux resources, he loves you.

AIs don't understand the concept of "strategic denouncing." If they like you they WON'T ever declare on you IF they're blocked from surprise war.

Canada is probably the only civ that can start next to Teddy, Monty, Shaka, and Nubia and be fine on Deity.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I don't understand. That's the only way I can imagine them being played as.

Nobody expects the Canadan Attilla

 

[Archon_Wing]

That's not true. You can take them over by declaring on the civ that controls the city state.

And if they have no suzerain or it switches?

 

[MarigoldRan]

Then you kill EVERYONE. Given how the AI wars, it shouldn't be that hard.

 

[Victoria]

Magnus? Started playing R&F after the balance patches so he's still good but not busted, but I imagine a lot of people still fall back to him as their first governor.

It’s not a fall back, you get 3 early governors if you have not been molested and two come preset close together so Magnus and amani is fairly normal. You cannot always get that first envoy in place, and certainly not often in a CS close to the enemy. 3 is a risk because you lose suze and their troops can no longer be used. So while 3 envoys is good 4 feels safer. Later is still fine though, like with you and the swords... but those early ones make a big diff, even if you do not take any cities, some great looting can be had.
The issue with GS is we now have serious competition from Pingala for first gov.