Joij21
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You have to be anti-Semitic to be fascist.
Motivations for being a fascist
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You have to be anti-Semitic to be fascist.
Lexicus
Deity
The democracy had already failed decisively with Hitler's appointment as Chancellor. One could argue it failed even before that as parties opposed to the democracy (Nazis and KPD) already constituted a majority of the Reichstag before Hitler's appointment, and for several years prior the Chancellor had governed by decree as there was no majority in the legislature for any government or program.
Run-of-the-mill despotism is absolutely preferable to the genocidal, starting-apocalyptic-race-wars kind.
Interestingly, the original Nazis never referred to themselves as such, because Nazi was actually a derisive nickname applied to the Party by its opponents, it was a colloquialism that meant something like "shlemiel" even before that.
Gelion
Retired Captain
You keep adding more elements to the definition with every phrase without addressing previous points. Lets treat this one first:
The Nazis downplayed their anti-Semitism and their desire for war until they were in power and ready to act on them. by the time they go public on their opinions it would be too late.
Also anti-Semitism isn't an integral part of fascism, only Nazism.
Joij21
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You have to believe in a very specific set of conspiracy theories to be a fascist.
Gelion
Retired Captain
Ok, this seems to be a very American and situation-specific definition tied to current politics, but I understand your view now.
Joij21
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Hitler still published Mein Kampf beforehand. It's riddled with his full intentions.
Nazism is the main brand of fascism because Mussolini was basically just a puppet of Hitler. Many corporations today would prefer the less derogatory name Corporatism to describe Mussolini's particular branch.
Zardnaar
Deity
You don't need to be anti semitic to be a facist.
Nazi probably but not required I suppose.
Nazi probably but not required I suppose.
Have you read about Communist!China's current anti-gay efforts?
It is certainly ruled by a corporation and without any real congress of sorts.Samson said:
Thought control and ongoing censorship are anti-intellectuals.Samson said:
Mind you, all those all hallmarks of totalitarianism, of which fascism is a subtype.
And this one, after the CCP ordering the sterilisation of ethnic minorities and the transfer of population to and criminalisation of local languages in Xinjiang, Mongolia, Manchuria and Tibet, well I don't know, but is also something that fascists have done, but they aren't alone among totalitarians to have done.Samson said:
Edit: some of this was already posted in the page following the posted I quoted.
David Duke? KKK? US Nazi party? Express support for and from US president Donald Trump? Ring a bell?
Joij21
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As far as I know he never congratulated their support.
A Satanist could come along and endorse me for whatever reason. That doesn't make me a Satanist.
Berzerker
Deity
and Trump condemned the KKK and Nazis
Akka
Moody old mage.
I might miss the defining details in political priorities that could still put them in some in-between, but from where I'm standing, there is absolutely nothing left of "communism" but the name, and China just 100 % fits the bill of "fascist regime".
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
Obama condemned ISIS, but that didn't stop people from screaming that he was the founder of ISIS and actively arming them.
Akka
Moody old mage.
The very founder of fascism wasn't anti-semitic himself (at least not until Hitler influenced him back), so I really wonder from where you get this idea.
Deadly Dog
Prince
I did have a roomate once who was of the "Nazis did some good things" ilk. He would happily admit to being right-wing authoritarian, perhaps even fascist. I honestly don't remember his "justification" but he did tell me anecdotes he heard in the military about things our soldiers did to POWs as if to show we weren't that different. well sure, ok, but that not a great argument.
Hope he mellowed. I ended up switching Universities (not because of him but to take a year first and figure out which degree I really wanted) and never living in residence again. I never picked a fascist for a roomate living off campus but I did get a few slobs.
Oh he was also an incel, though the term didn't exist then, in fact this was 2 years before Ecole Polytechnique
. But he woke me up one night in tears wondering why girls didn't like him.
Sorry this from my phone putting a link in would take forever.
Hope he mellowed. I ended up switching Universities (not because of him but to take a year first and figure out which degree I really wanted) and never living in residence again. I never picked a fascist for a roomate living off campus but I did get a few slobs.
Oh he was also an incel, though the term didn't exist then, in fact this was 2 years before Ecole Polytechnique
. But he woke me up one night in tears wondering why girls didn't like him. Sorry this from my phone putting a link in would take forever.
H4run
Deity
Nationalistic totalitarian regime, who are repressive toward non-Han minority, not solely only the Uyghur but also toward Mongols, Hui, Tibetans, foreigner especially from Africa, etc. And treat every differing opposition as element threat that will be dealt with great violence. The "Unification" (by force) between the will of the state with the will of the peoples (this is super alarming mark of fascism), I mean it perhaps has communist theme, but the very soul and acts of it is fascism.
*shrug
They are done deal, there is no need to even discuss about this. It's too blatant, they are basically 21st century Hulagu and no one can do anything about the atrocities that they bring because of how powerful they are, things not change so much, if you are powerful you basically can do whatever the heck you want and democracy would not be "spread" there, perhaps they will spread their democracy to us one day, who know?. I mean in the end name them as you will, but we all know what kind of crook they are.
*shrug
They are done deal, there is no need to even discuss about this. It's too blatant, they are basically 21st century Hulagu and no one can do anything about the atrocities that they bring because of how powerful they are, things not change so much, if you are powerful you basically can do whatever the heck you want and democracy would not be "spread" there, perhaps they will spread their democracy to us one day, who know?. I mean in the end name them as you will, but we all know what kind of crook they are.
Berzerker
Deity
He was inactively arming ISIS? We poured billions into toppling Assad and the people who nearly succeeded were ISIS/ISIL with our weapons. Russian and Iranian intervention saved Assad. The liars who did this armed terrorists and told us they were 'moderate rebels'.
We had to leave Iraq in 2011, so what did we do? We destroyed Libya and started shipping their weapons to terrorists in Syria along with EU weaponry and we're right back in business in Iraq. ISIS expands rapidly and the Iraqis invite us back in so we're bombing ISIS on their eastern front while arming ISIS on its western front against Assad.
H4run
Deity
Berzerker, I don't think this is right. ISIS was not started in Syria, it expanded there later on and they were facing Jabathul Nusra over there. ISIS was originated in Iraq, it was from a group called Jamaah Tawheed Wal Jihad, foster and nurture by Zarqawi, and after he passed away this organization evolve to ISIS.
And no no. I don't think US or any other foreign power created those movement. I mean their intervention do give arms group a platform to emerge (from the power vacuum), but dethroning Syrian regime have very little to do with the rise of ISIS, if you mentioned Iraq/Bush, then I'm agree with you Berz.
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