Yeah, that does sound really nice. Good music, nice water, tasty food, pretty women in evening dresses. Sounds like the stage for a James Bond shoot 'em up.
I understand people are busy with christmas and family so there is no pressure to play quickly or anything, but i will just post who's turn it is, so we don't forget over this extended play period.
Frankcor
Remconius
Llamacat
Kanga DU
We got Frankcor in and Remconius says his is coming up. So... Rem can finish up and Llamacat and Kanga DU can play (wait for the hang-overs to wear off first maybe gentlemen...) when they get a chance.
Pigs had the best developed science tree, the highest science rate and was at war killing off GK. I felt like war after these peaceful days... so I went for Pigs
Spoiler:
Pigs started the war with GK. I continued...
My first turn I optimized for production and units.
Got a scientist quite soon which I used for academy in Santander.
I captured Karakorum in 1580 and New Sarai in 1595. I then signed a crappy peace deal to take a breather and heal/reinforce the attack.
The peace time I spent building units, bank, courthouses, etc.
I massed a force (~30 cannon/conquistadors/grenadiers) outside GK remaining 3 major cities. Also lucky break, GK built a settler on our western island and moved out two units for escort, leaving only 2 for defense.
On my last turn I was finally able to re-declare. GK has LBM and we are coming with cannons. He should be dead within 10 turns.
Check out the increase in power rating:
This is the lay of the land. You can see GK last remaining cities. Main stack is south of Turfan. Other city has 4 units outside.
Go ahead kill off GK and continue building power or science...
Frankcor (we got a game in)
Remconius (we got a game in)
Llamacat (haven't heard from him in a long time- hopefully had a great christmas)
Kanga DU (should have a game up in near future)
Went with Immac's save, much the save reasons as Frankcor. Mansu doesn't have gunpowder yet... looking to get conquistadors and frigates. I'll go in with conquist's and pillage around a bit, then look to use CRIII grens (from our maces) to pinch a city or two. Sounds good on paper eh? Reality is I sort of stumbled along, researched replaceable parts before going for steel. Might of been a bit of a move that. Oh well next person inherited a war. We are up plenty of frigs on Mansu, so should be able to make inroads at least on all those tempting coastal cities. He's got a SOD in Dijenne (i think), that'd be the best city to capture too.
Note there are some troop movements back and forth still happening. (ie Watch out for multi turn moves!) Need to ferry a few maces back, upgrade and rejoin the fray. Mansu has just got gunpowder, a is a little off rifles yet.
Turn 222 (1560 AD) Ruff_Hi: Leaving on growing where possible Madrid grows: 14 Alhazen (Scientist) (Great Scientist) born in Barcelona Cordoba grows: 8 Cordoba finishes: Conquistador Toledo finishes: Conquistador Santiago grows: 11 Karakorum grows: 10
Turn 226 (1580 AD) Santiago begins: Musketman Beshbalik begins: Buddhist Monastery New Sarai begins: Barracks Ruff_Hi: That galleon on Mansu's is slipping past us Ruff_Hi: Not building an city in a truly annoying location. Madrid grows: 15 Barcelona finishes: Courthouse Toledo finishes: Galleon Santiago grows: 12 Karakorum grows: 12 Karakorum finishes: Library Turfan finishes: Harbor
And this city never flipped, shortly after the borders pop and the culture goes back chinese: IBT:
Turn 227 (1585 AD) Barcelona begins: Harbor Toledo begins: Conquistador Karakorum begins: University Turfan begins: Theatre Cordoba finishes: Conquistador Salamanca's borders expand Beshbalik grows: 9 Turfan grows: 9
Do a better deal, cancel sheep and marble for 4 gpt each:
IBT:
Turn 228 (1590 AD) Cordoba begins: Crossbowman Madrid finishes: Bank Toledo grows: 14 Toledo finishes: Conquistador Salamanca grows: 11 Libyan grows: 6 Samarqand grows: 7 New Sarai grows: 6 Murcia grows: 6 Turfan finishes: Theatre
IBT:
Turn 229 (1595 AD) Madrid begins: Harbor Toledo begins: Buddhist Monastery Turfan begins: Work Boat Tech learned: Chemistry Seville grows: 12 Cordoba grows: 9 Santiago grows: 13 Chinook grows: 10 Salamanca finishes: Theatre Beshbalik finishes: Buddhist Monastery Karakorum grows: 13
IBT:
Turn 230 (1600 AD) Research begun: Printing Press Salamanca begins: Lighthouse Beshbalik begins: Buddhist Missionary Barcelona finishes: Academy Cordoba finishes: Crossbowman Toledo finishes: Buddhist Monastery Libyan finishes: Forge Turfan finishes: Work Boat Old Sarai finishes: Theatre
It begins:
IBT:
Turn 231 (1605 AD) Cordoba begins: Grenadier Toledo begins: Frigate Libyan begins: Library Turfan begins: Frigate Old Sarai begins: Lighthouse While attacking, Conquistador defeats (9.00/10): Malinese Catapult at 100.0 percent. Conquistador promoted: Combat I While attacking, Conquistador loses to: Malinese Crossbowman (0.96/6) at 70.1 percent. While attacking, Maceman defeats (7.36/8): Malinese Crossbowman at 100.0 percent. While attacking, Galleon defeats (0.60/4): Malinese Caravel at 78.1 percent. Madrid grows: 16 Madrid finishes: Harbor Barcelona finishes: Harbor Toledo finishes: Frigate Beshbalik finishes: Buddhist Missionary Karakorum grows: 14 Murcia grows: 7 Murcia finishes: Library Turfan grows: 10 Turfan's borders expand
IBT:
Turn 232 (1610 AD) Madrid begins: Grenadier Barcelona begins: Grenadier Toledo begins: Frigate Beshbalik begins: Buddhist Missionary Murcia begins: Forge Buddhism has spread: Karakorum Galleon promoted: Combat I Barcelona grows: 9 Santiago finishes: Musketman Beshbalik grows: 10 Samarqand finishes: Courthouse New Sarai grows: 7 Old Sarai's borders expand
IBT:
Turn 233 (1615 AD) Santiago begins: Frigate Samarqand begins: Frigate Seville grows: 13 Seville finishes: Bank Toledo finishes: Frigate Santiago grows: 14 Chinook grows: 11 Beshbalik finishes: Buddhist Missionary
IBT: While defending, Work Boat loses to: Malinese Caravel (3.00/3) at 21.9 percent.
IBT: While defending, Conquistador defeats (8.70/10): Malinese Catapult at 99.6 percent. While defending, Conquistador defeats (9.30/10): Malinese Catapult at 99.5 percent.
Turn 235 (1625 AD) Research begun: Replaceable Parts Salamanca begins: Frigate Madrid grows: 17 Cordoba finishes: Grenadier Toledo finishes: Frigate Santiago's borders expand Chinook finishes: University New Sarai finishes: Barracks Murcia grows: 8 Turfan grows: 11 Ning-hsia grows: 6
IBT:
Turn 236 (1630 AD) Cordoba begins: Grenadier Toledo begins: Frigate Chinook begins: Frigate Chinook begins: Grenadier New Sarai begins: Grenadier While attacking, Frigate defeats (3.84/8): Malinese Caravel at 99.4 percent. While attacking, Conquistador defeats (7.80/10): Malinese Catapult at 100.0 percent. Conquistador promoted: Flanking I Conquistador promoted: Sentry While attacking, Frigate defeats (6.96/8): Malinese Caravel at 99.6 percent. Toledo finishes: Frigate Libyan grows: 7 Karakorum grows: 16 Turfan finishes: Frigate
IBT:
Turn 237 (1635 AD) Toledo begins: Frigate Turfan begins: Work Boat While attacking, Frigate defeats (3.60/8): Malinese Caravel at 97.8 percent. Madrid finishes: Grenadier Toledo grows: 15 Beshbalik grows: 11 Beshbalik finishes: Frigate New Sarai grows: 8 Turfan finishes: Work Boat Ning-hsia finishes: Courthouse
Erk! I turn around, only to be surprised by Toggy:
I consider this briefly, before deciding to wait:
IBT: While defending, Conquistador defeats (1.10/10): Malinese Catapult at 99.4 percent. While defending, Conquistador defeats (10.00/10): Malinese Catapult at 99.9 percent. While defending, Pikeman loses to: Malinese War Elephant (2.96/8) at 57.3 percent. While defending, Conquistador loses to: Malinese War Elephant (6.48/8) at 34.5 percent. While defending, Conquistador defeats (4.20/10): Malinese Horse Archer at 76.7 percent.
Turn 238 (1640 AD) Madrid begins: Grocer Seville begins: University Beshbalik begins: Frigate Turfan begins: Catapult Ning-hsia begins: Catapult While attacking, Frigate defeats (6.88/8): Malinese Galleon at 99.1 percent. Frigate promoted: Combat I Seville grows: 14 Cordoba's borders expand Toledo finishes: Frigate Salamanca grows: 12 Old Sarai finishes: Lighthouse
IBT: While defending, Conquistador defeats (8.30/10): Malinese Catapult at 100.0 percent. While defending, Musketman defeats (5.40/9): Malinese War Elephant at 91.2 percent.
Turn 239 (1645 AD) Toledo begins: Grenadier Old Sarai begins: Barracks Frigate promoted: Flanking I Tech learned: Replaceable Parts Madrid grows: 18 Cordoba grows: 10 Toledo finishes: Grenadier Samarqand grows: 8 Karakorum grows: 17
IBT:
Turn 240 (1650 AD) Research begun: Steel Toledo begins: Grenadier
I didn't wait for frankcor's marvellous chart (which contains one minor error, in round 6 remconius played from pigswill not pholkhero) but played 20 turns from remconius's save up to 1750 keeping the remswill duopoly going.
I'll post the write-up in a day or so.
1650-1750
I decided to play from the Remconius/Pigswill line of saves to broaden my horizons and try something new.
Spoiler:
When I opened the save, I found that the empire was very unhappy. Two civilizations (the Malinese and the Chinese) seem to have run-away technologically. Not only that, but they have adopted emancipation, a civic based on a technology we are very distant from. We also have war weariness in the extreme. So, to at least combat one of these problems, I will try to do as suggested and finish up the war against Genghis as soon as possible.
I just look around the empire and eventually push enter. The cities dont seem to be as highly specialized as in the other line of saves. More cities are what I would consider hybrid-oriented meaning they have a mix of cottages and hammer-producing tiles with the food to support them instead of just hammers or cottages. I could be mistaken, but that is my impression. Typically, unless a city is specified as a hybrid city, I tend to specialize my cities a wee bit more then these are. This is a matter of personal taste however, as some swear by unspecialised cities completely and I am sure most players fall somewhere in the continuum. But, a city with an academy should get a cottage over a watermill every day of the week. I left it as it was, but I am not sure about that tile usage. I hope this doesn't seem like a criticism; its meant more as a comparaison. I'll point out, however, that this thread appears to be producing much more commerce either way so maybe i am wrong
In 1690, we defeat the Mongolians once and for all.
I think I only lost 1 or 2 cannons in the entire mopping-up operation. I immediately assume some peace-time civics and continue building up our economy. If this were the other thread-line, I would be building power, but in this thread-line, we have specialized towards economy and I will continue that.
Research-wise, we completed replaceable parts and started on biology.
Economy: The forbidden palace is being built in Turfan (14 turns) and should help matters somewhat.
Great People: St. Patrick is born in Madrid and produces the Buddhist shrine.
New Cities: Salamanca is founded on the site of the last Mongolian city to be destroyed (see above screenshot). A second settler is on its way to the ice-block in the north-east. A galley is on its way to rendezvous with it and make sure it can get there.
All-in-all, once the Mongols were defeated, I just put in infrastructure and quietly built up. The other civs are a bit more advanced then us and wont trade because we have nothing to offer, or, alternatively, are angry with us for trading with their enemy.
Well my last effort in this game was abjectly poor, so I was keen to do better . I spent some time studying the three saves and I went with Frankor's save as I think it is the best one to stop Mansu. The only question is how?
Our economy isn't in great shape and we can't really take any of his cities without cannons, even though his wine industry is dead . So when the peace offer is this, I take it. After pillaging with impunity of course.
We'll be back after Steel (which I have swapped research to).
We then start building infrastructure. Civics are swapped to slavery, universal sufferage, free religion and free market.
We pop a Merchant in Madrid. He is sent to China for a trade mission.
Steel is in and we complete Rifling and then Steam Power (we have one source of coal). My trade mission cash runs out after this and we pick Nationalism.
The people are unhappy, so the cannons are whipped into being.
Got nothing for the workers to do, so just leave them hanging about.
War is redeclared and a serious stack is landed next to Timbucktu.
The attack on Timbucktu commences, with 2 cannons dying but we take the city .
It has Spiral Minaret and Notre Dame inside
A second stack is landed next to Djenne.
Nationalism comes in and I pick Constitution (to head for Assembly Line).
Well I may have gone overboard on the cannons as we now have 19 of them (and I also lost 2 taking Timbucktu) Might need some rifles and grens to support.
A third stack is nearly ready in the homeland (mainly cannons) ready to join in where required. The assembly point is just east of Beshbalik
We have a Steel monopoly still so make the most of it. We may want to trade it to Qin for Corporation (if he has it).
We have some unhappiness so some Jails after Constitution might be a good idea.
Overall, I'm happy with the way things are. I think we have the power now to take over Mansu and head for a Domination victory.
Turnlog if you're interested
Spoiler:
Turn 240/460 (1650 AD) [07-Jan-2007 11:16:08] While attacking in Malinese territory at Djenne, Conquistador defeats (6.30/10): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 100.0% Madrid finishes: Grenadier Cordoba grows: 11 Toledo finishes: Conquistador Santiago grows: 14 Chinook's borders expand Chinook finishes: Grenadier Beshbalik grows: 11 Samarqand finishes: Barracks Turfan grows: 12
IBT: While defending in Malinese territory at Djenne, Grenadier defeats (8.16/12): Malinese Knight (Prob Victory: 96.5%) While defending in Malinese territory near Tekedda, Musketman loses to: Malinese Knight (3.70/10) (Prob Victory: 70.1%)
Turn 241/460 (1655 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 11:19:43 Madrid begins: Grocer (9 turns) Toledo begins: Library (3 turns) Chinook begins: Grenadier (6 turns) Samarqand begins: Harbor (5 turns) While attacking in Spanish territory near Old Sarai, Frigate defeats (8.00/8): Malinese Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.7%) While attacking on the high seas near Baoding, Frigate defeats (8.00/8): Malinese Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.9%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Djenne, Pikeman defeats (2.94/6): Malinese Knight (Prob Victory: 99.8%) Research begun: Steel (18 Turns) Beshbalik finishes: Conquistador Karakorum's borders expand New Sarai grows: 8 New Sarai finishes: Frigate Murcia grows: 9 Turfan finishes: Grenadier
IBT: Spain and Mali have signed a peace treaty The Malinese attitude towards Spain has changed from Furious to Annoyed The Mongolian attitude towards Mali has changed from Annoyed to Furious Mali has changed civics, Serfdom to Emancipation
IBT: China has changed civics, Hereditary Rule to Representation China has changed civics, Bureaucracy to Free Speech China has changed civics, Mercantilism to Free Market
IBT: Spain changed State Religion, Buddhism to no State Religion Spain has changed civics, Police State to Universal Suffrage Spain has changed civics, Serfdom to Slavery Spain has changed civics, Mercantilism to Free Market Spain has changed civics, Theocracy to Free Religion
Turn 245/460 (1675 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 11:39:53 Madrid grows: 19 Cordoba finishes: Buddhist Temple Samarqand finishes: Harbor New Sarai grows: 9 Ningbo grows: 2
IBT:
Turn 246/460 (1680 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 11:41:51 Cordoba begins: Library (5 turns) Samarqand begins: Lighthouse (8 turns) Leif Erickson (Merchant) (Great Merchant) born in Madrid Santiago finishes: Bank Beshbalik grows: 12 Murcia finishes: Courthouse
IBT: Japan has changed civics, Bureaucracy to Vassalage Japan has changed civics, Organized Religion to Theocracy
Turn 256/460 (1730 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 12:08:22 Research begun: Nationalism (2 Turns) Chinook begins: Cannon (7 turns) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (12.00/12): Malinese Worker (Prob Victory: 99.8%) Madrid finishes: Cannon Toledo finishes: Cannon Santiago grows: 14 Santiago finishes: Grenadier Beshbalik finishes: Cannon New Sarai grows: 11 Ningbo's borders expand
IBT: Spain and Mali are now at war The Japanese attitude towards China has changed from Friendly to Pleased The Malinese attitude towards Spain has changed from Annoyed to Furious The Mongolian attitude towards Mali has changed from Furious to Annoyed
Turn 257/460 (1735 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 12:12:17 Madrid begins: Cannon (7 turns) Toledo begins: Cannon (2 turns) Santiago begins: Christian Temple (6 turns) Beshbalik begins: Cannon (5 turns) Grenadier promoted: Combat I Grenadier promoted: Pinch Grenadier promoted: Combat I Grenadier promoted: Pinch Cannon promoted: City Raider I Toledo finishes: Cannon Chinook grows: 10 Karakorum grows: 15 New Sarai's borders expand Murcia finishes: Cannon Turfan grows: 12 Old Sarai finishes: Cannon
IBT: Japan and Mali have signed a peace treaty The Japanese attitude towards Mali has changed from Furious to Annoyed Spain has changed civics, Universal Suffrage to Police State
Turn 258/460 (1740 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 12:16:55 Toledo begins: Cannon (2 turns) Murcia begins: Hindu Temple (3 turns) Old Sarai begins: Lighthouse (5 turns) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon loses to: Malinese Rifleman (7.70/14) (Prob Victory: 3.2%) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon loses to: Malinese Rifleman (12.74/14) (Prob Victory: 21.9%) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (3.72/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 21.9%) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (9.48/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 49.5%) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (1.44/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 69.4%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Grenadier defeats (10.20/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 99.6%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (9.60/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 87.8%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (6.48/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 85.6%) Conquistador promoted: Combat I Conquistador promoted: Medic I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Conquistador defeats (10.00/10): Malinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (12.00/12): Malinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Grenadier defeats (9.00/12): Malinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%) Christianity has spread: Timbuktu Islam has spread: Timbuktu Hinduism has spread: Timbuktu Captured Timbuktu (Mansa Musa) Grenadier promoted: City Garrison I Grenadier promoted: City Garrison II Tech learned: Nationalism Cordoba finishes: Theatre Toledo finishes: Cannon Old Sarai grows: 7
IBT:
Turn 259/460 (1745 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 12:23:39 Research begun: Constitution (5 Turns) Cordoba begins: Market (10 turns) Toledo begins: Cannon (2 turns) Madrid grows: 19 Barcelona finishes: Bank Salamanca finishes: University Samarqand grows: 10 Murcia grows: 11 Murcia finishes: Hindu Temple
IBT: While defending in Spanish territory at Timbuktu, Grenadier defeats (10.08/12): Malinese Knight (Prob Victory: 89.1%)
Well my last effort in this game was abjectly poor, so I was keen to do better . I spent some time studying the three saves and I went with Frankor's save as I think it is the best one to stop Mansu. The only question is how?
Our economy isn't in great shape and we can't really take any of his cities without cannons, even though his wine industry is dead . So when the peace offer is this, I take it. After pillaging with impunity of course.
We'll be back after Steel (which I have swapped research to).
We then start building infrastructure. Civics are swapped to slavery, universal sufferage, free religion and free market.
We pop a Merchant in Madrid. He is sent to China for a trade mission.
Steel is in and we complete Rifling and then Steam Power (we have one source of coal). My trade mission cash runs out after this and we pick Nationalism.
The people are unhappy, so the cannons are whipped into being.
Got nothing for the workers to do, so just leave them hanging about.
War is redeclared and a serious stack is landed next to Timbucktu.
The attack on Timbucktu commences, with 2 cannons dying but we take the city .
It has Spiral Minaret and Notre Dame inside
A second stack is landed next to Djenne.
Nationalism comes in and I pick Constitution (to head for Assembly Line).
Well I may have gone overboard on the cannons as we now have 19 of them (and I also lost 2 taking Timbucktu) Might need some rifles and grens to support.
A third stack is nearly ready in the homeland (mainly cannons) ready to join in where required. The assembly point is just east of Beshbalik
We have a Steel monopoly still so make the most of it. We may want to trade it to Qin for Corporation (if he has it).
We have some unhappiness so some Jails after Constitution might be a good idea.
Overall, I'm happy with the way things are. I think we have the power now to take over Mansu and head for a Domination victory.
Turnlog if you're interested
Spoiler:
Turn 240/460 (1650 AD) [07-Jan-2007 11:16:08] While attacking in Malinese territory at Djenne, Conquistador defeats (6.30/10): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 100.0%) Madrid finishes: Grenadier Cordoba grows: 11 Toledo finishes: Conquistador Santiago grows: 14 Chinook's borders expand Chinook finishes: Grenadier Beshbalik grows: 11 Samarqand finishes: Barracks Turfan grows: 12
IBT: While defending in Malinese territory at Djenne, Grenadier defeats (8.16/12): Malinese Knight (Prob Victory: 96.5%) While defending in Malinese territory near Tekedda, Musketman loses to: Malinese Knight (3.70/10) (Prob Victory: 70.1%)
Turn 241/460 (1655 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 11:19:43 Madrid begins: Grocer (9 turns) Toledo begins: Library (3 turns) Chinook begins: Grenadier (6 turns) Samarqand begins: Harbor (5 turns) While attacking in Spanish territory near Old Sarai, Frigate defeats (8.00/8): Malinese Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.7%) While attacking on the high seas near Baoding, Frigate defeats (8.00/8): Malinese Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.9%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Djenne, Pikeman defeats (2.94/6): Malinese Knight (Prob Victory: 99.8%) Research begun: Steel (18 Turns) Beshbalik finishes: Conquistador Karakorum's borders expand New Sarai grows: 8 New Sarai finishes: Frigate Murcia grows: 9 Turfan finishes: Grenadier
IBT: Spain and Mali have signed a peace treaty The Malinese attitude towards Spain has changed from Furious to Annoyed The Mongolian attitude towards Mali has changed from Annoyed to Furious Mali has changed civics, Serfdom to Emancipation
IBT: China has changed civics, Hereditary Rule to Representation China has changed civics, Bureaucracy to Free Speech China has changed civics, Mercantilism to Free Market
IBT: Spain changed State Religion, Buddhism to no State Religion Spain has changed civics, Police State to Universal Suffrage Spain has changed civics, Serfdom to Slavery Spain has changed civics, Mercantilism to Free Market Spain has changed civics, Theocracy to Free Religion
Turn 245/460 (1675 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 11:39:53 Madrid grows: 19 Cordoba finishes: Buddhist Temple Samarqand finishes: Harbor New Sarai grows: 9 Ningbo grows: 2
IBT:
Turn 246/460 (1680 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 11:41:51 Cordoba begins: Library (5 turns) Samarqand begins: Lighthouse (8 turns) Leif Erickson (Merchant) (Great Merchant) born in Madrid Santiago finishes: Bank Beshbalik grows: 12 Murcia finishes: Courthouse
IBT: Japan has changed civics, Bureaucracy to Vassalage Japan has changed civics, Organized Religion to Theocracy
Turn 256/460 (1730 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 12:08:22 Research begun: Nationalism (2 Turns) Chinook begins: Cannon (7 turns) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (12.00/12): Malinese Worker (Prob Victory: 99.8%) Madrid finishes: Cannon Toledo finishes: Cannon Santiago grows: 14 Santiago finishes: Grenadier Beshbalik finishes: Cannon New Sarai grows: 11 Ningbo's borders expand
IBT: Spain and Mali are now at war The Japanese attitude towards China has changed from Friendly to Pleased The Malinese attitude towards Spain has changed from Annoyed to Furious The Mongolian attitude towards Mali has changed from Furious to Annoyed
Turn 257/460 (1735 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 12:12:17 Madrid begins: Cannon (7 turns) Toledo begins: Cannon (2 turns) Santiago begins: Christian Temple (6 turns) Beshbalik begins: Cannon (5 turns) Grenadier promoted: Combat I Grenadier promoted: Pinch Grenadier promoted: Combat I Grenadier promoted: Pinch Cannon promoted: City Raider I Toledo finishes: Cannon Chinook grows: 10 Karakorum grows: 15 New Sarai's borders expand Murcia finishes: Cannon Turfan grows: 12 Old Sarai finishes: Cannon
IBT: Japan and Mali have signed a peace treaty The Japanese attitude towards Mali has changed from Furious to Annoyed Spain has changed civics, Universal Suffrage to Police State
Turn 258/460 (1740 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 12:16:55 Toledo begins: Cannon (2 turns) Murcia begins: Hindu Temple (3 turns) Old Sarai begins: Lighthouse (5 turns) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon loses to: Malinese Rifleman (7.70/14) (Prob Victory: 3.2%) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon loses to: Malinese Rifleman (12.74/14) (Prob Victory: 21.9%) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (3.72/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 21.9%) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (9.48/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 49.5%) Cannon promoted: City Raider I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (1.44/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 69.4%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Grenadier defeats (10.20/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 99.6%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (9.60/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 87.8%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (6.48/12): Malinese Rifleman (Prob Victory: 85.6%) Conquistador promoted: Combat I Conquistador promoted: Medic I While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Conquistador defeats (10.00/10): Malinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Cannon defeats (12.00/12): Malinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%) While attacking in Malinese territory at Timbuktu, Grenadier defeats (9.00/12): Malinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%) Christianity has spread: Timbuktu Islam has spread: Timbuktu Hinduism has spread: Timbuktu Captured Timbuktu (Mansa Musa) Grenadier promoted: City Garrison I Grenadier promoted: City Garrison II Tech learned: Nationalism Cordoba finishes: Theatre Toledo finishes: Cannon Old Sarai grows: 7
IBT:
Turn 259/460 (1745 AD) - 07-Jan-2007 12:23:39 Research begun: Constitution (5 Turns) Cordoba begins: Market (10 turns) Toledo begins: Cannon (2 turns) Madrid grows: 19 Barcelona finishes: Bank Salamanca finishes: University Samarqand grows: 10 Murcia grows: 11 Murcia finishes: Hindu Temple
IBT: While defending in Spanish territory at Timbuktu, Grenadier defeats (10.08/12): Malinese Knight (Prob Victory: 89.1%)
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move that. Oh well next person inherited a war. 
We are up plenty of frigs on Mansu, so should be able to make inroads at least on all those tempting coastal cities. He's got a SOD in Dijenne (i think), that'd be the best city to capture too. 
Danger Will Robinson! Danger!
. I spent some time studying the three saves and I went with Frankor's save as I think it is the best one to stop Mansu. The only question is how? 
