Multiple leaders CONFIRMED!

[Shadole]

Thanks to remyspam on reddit for posting this:

So this means that Gorgo is likely an alternate leader for Greece and not a separate civ!

This is grabbed from the civilopedia from last Thursday's stream. Reddit thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/4yu5pl/civ_vi_we_already_assumed_because_of_greece_but/

 

[stealth_nsk]

It was posted here too in a couple of threads.

 

[Lillefix]

That is very, very good. That was one of the biggest innovations with Civ4 that I seriously missed in Civ5. Hope all these DLCs and expansions aren't going to ruin me totally.

 

[Shadole]

It was posted here too in a couple of threads.

Doh! I see that now...oh well, I think it deserves its own thread..apologies if I have falsely credited the wrong person however...

 

[anandus]

Credit goes to wanglishi1: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=14407532&postcount=326

 

[stealth_nsk]

Doh! I see that now...oh well, I think it deserves its own thread..apologies if I have falsely credited the wrong person however...

No problem. It's just this forum having a little competition with Reddit on unearthing Civ things

 

[wildlumberjack]

Hope they allow to play alternate leaders simultaneously on the random map so we could see 2 greece players

 

[shyPiano]

Wait... People were still doubting this?
I mean, I was in doubt too before I knew about Gorgo and Phillip II was confirmed - but if we know about Gorgo and Pericles, and we know they are the leaders of Greece via the leader bingo, and we know about Isabella and Phillip II, and we know they are the leaders of Spain via the leader bingo, what other confirmation is needed?

In any case, I guess some people were still conjuring up wild claims of Greece working as two civilizations and whatnot, so I guess some people were wishing so hard multiple leaders wasn't a case they would come up with some out there theories.
Don't understand why though, I think multiple leaders is a good thing, don't see why someone wouldn't want it.

Hope they allow to play alternate leaders simultaneously on the random map so we could see 2 greece players

In every game so far, as far as I know, they allow the same leader and civilization to be in the map various times. Case in point. So I don't see why this wouldn't be the case.

 

[anandus]

Wait... People were still doubting this?
I mean, I was in doubt too before I knew about Gorgo and Phillip II was confirmed - but if we know about Gorgo and Pericles, and we know they are the leaders of Greece via the leader bingo, and we know about Isabella and Phillip II, and we know they are the leaders of Spain via the leader bingo, what other confirmation is needed?

Isabella isn't confirmed at all, we only have a very vague picture of Isabella (of Portugal, no less).
Second, some people speculated it might've been a Peleponnesian War scenario with regards to Gorgo and Pericles.

 

[Cerilis]

Wait... People were still doubting this?
I mean, I was in doubt too before I knew about Gorgo and Phillip II was confirmed - but if we know about Gorgo and Pericles, and we know they are the leaders of Greece via the leader bingo, and we know about Isabella and Phillip II, and we know they are the leaders of Spain via the leader bingo, what other confirmation is needed?

In any case, I guess some people were still conjuring up wild claims of Greece working as two civilizations and whatnot, so I guess some people were wishing so hard multiple leaders wasn't a case they would come up with some out there theories.
Don't understand why though, I think multiple leaders is a good thing, don't see why someone wouldn't want it.



In every game so far, as far as I know, they allow the same leader and civilization to be in the map various times. Case in point. So I don't see why this wouldn't be the case.

But would they also get randomed like that? (not everyone with the same leader, obviously, but two same civs with different leaders)

 

[shyPiano]

Isabella isn't confirmed at all, we only have a very vague picture of Isabella (of Portugal, no less).

I feel the mental gymnastics needed to justify not taking the leader bingo as all the leaders confirmed for the game are quickly eliminated by Occam's Razor.
But then again, I've felt like this since Catherine de' Medici was announced (and Tomyris and Frederick Barbarossa only cemented it).

Second, some people speculated it might've been a Peleponnesian War scenario with regards to Gorgo and Pericles.

Well, we don't know much about scenarios right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if they would use Gorgo and Pericle in such a scenario - but why would the civilopedia show scenario-related entries? As far as I know, scenarios work like mods in the sense they completely change ruleset. When the scenario is loaded, it also loads the correct civilopedia. This has been the case since Civ IV, as far as I know.
Are we also supposed to believe that the only leader introduced by a scenario would be Gorgo?

But would they also get randomed like that? (not everyone with the same leader, obviously, but two same civs with different leaders)

Eh, I would guess no - at least, it never happened to me in Civ IV. The game will probably choose a random Civilization, and then choose a random leader from the possible choices.
Maybe this can be modded. Or, if you care about achievements, an online "pick your leader" type site could be use to randomly choose 8 or more leaders, and this would allow for different players play different leaders of the same civ. But it would also need the player to set up the game manually.

 

[Lillefix]

I, at any rate, was not convinced until now. I'd say it was the most probable scenario, but I found(and find) it very strange that the devs didn't say this specifically in stead of just hinting to it in the first look videos.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

They may have not wanted "multiple leaders" to be advertised as a feature of the game, when it is really only a feature of Greece (for now)....imagine if they had done it differently. People would feel gypped instead of pleasantly surprised.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

They may have not wanted "multiple leaders" to be advertised as a feature of the game, when it is really only a feature of Greece (for now)....imagine if they had done it differently. People would feel gypped instead of pleasantly surprised.

That makes sense, but si why I didn't believe it for the longest. Ironically I was just looking at the wrong set of leaders (Isabella and Phillip).

Why not make most out of it by including at least 4-5 alternate leaders (namely for India, France, England maybe)

But Eagle Pursuit told me that it would make sense to see how we react to Gorgo/Perciles, and then see how well Isabella (which I will forever assume is of Castille and the portrait is just the wrong one for whom they are going for) sells on the market. Because then we could see leaders like Alex, Louis, Napoleon, Ashoka etc, be sold seperately.

In a bizarre way, they'd actually be cheaper time-wise to produce, since they wouldn't need to come up with so many assets (no buildings, no units, just abilities) and depending on how fast they can produce a leader art design for it too.

 

[_ViKinG_]

So can it be 2 Greece civs out on the map at the same time or is it locked to use 1 leader while you play?

 

[stealth_nsk]

So can it be 2 Greece civs out on the map at the same time or is it locked to use 1 leader while you play?

We don't know. The best would be - no random 2 Greece, but allow it manually.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Again, given that in previous games you could have a world filled with the schmexy swaggy Zulu, I doubt it its' locked

However, randomizer is unlikely to have both Greeces on the map unless you select both.

 

[Alkaid]

I also didn't believe the speculation until now. I mean I'd hoped it was the case, but even the deal with Greece didn't sound solid enough to be clear. The modular-looking leader/civ bonuses system seemed like and indication, but who could say for sure.

This sounds great to me, as it gives me hope some of the leaders for announced civs I'd of preferred (Isabella for Spain, Washington for America, ANYBODY else for France, etc.) might possibly make it into the game later with DLC. Hope Alex gets in too, but since Greece already has 2 maybe not.

 

[indradiva]

In a bizarre way, they'd actually be cheaper time-wise to produce, since they wouldn't need to come up with so many assets (no buildings, no units, just abilities) and depending on how fast they can produce a leader art design for it too.

You seem to overlook that there are civs with 2 UUs and one is from the Leader. And who said there can't be a Leader with a UB or UI?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

You seem to overlook that there are civs with 2 UUs and one is from the Leader. And who said there can't be a Leader with a UB or UI?

No I have not over looked it, but it's not like they're going to cramp Buildings, IMprovements, Districts and Units onto every leader.