Muslim hypocrisy?

[HannibalBarka]

The problem is that all we see about Muslims, and they are not doing a good job of suppressing that.

No cause that is what you want to see. You do realize that there are 1.x billion muslims that aren't detonating bombs or flying into building, don't you?

 

[Gelion]

The problem is that all we see about Muslims, and they are not doing a good job of suppressing that.

Is that a fault of your media perhaps?
If its not then perhaps we should not forget that apart from Communists all figthers belong to a particular religion and unless certain actions are blessed by leaders of Religion (like Crusades were blessed by the Pope), people's religion should not be counted as a determinant in equalizing all people of that religion. For example Nazi invasion in Russia and some other states of former USSR is still seen as a Fashist invasion NOT a German invasion or for that matter a Catholic/Protestant invasion.
(NB Nazis were known as "Fashisti" in USSR)

 

[Winner]

how is it irrelevant?

It deals with alleged Western arrogance and other things Gelion like to use.

you have picture of the beheaded guy on the 1st page of this troll thread, and youre saying they did it in the name of religion! thats not hatred?

They are shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great) and murdering people. Al-Qaeda is killing people in the name of Islam, they admit it, it's not my invention.

So, be careful. I am not the one trolling here.

cause id say they did it in the name of revenge, you mightve forgotten but i remember abu ghraib.

What was first, Abu Ghraib or 9/11?

 

[Winner]

I can't see the hatred either..

Gelion basically hate the West. He is happy whenever we're in trouble. That was my point.

Just look at his post: "That's all your fault, you shouldn't have provoked them". But this isn't thread about these cartoon themselves, it's about hypocrisy Muslims are showing. They burn flags and threaten westerners because of drawings, which are blasphemous, but murders in the name of their faith leave them cold.

How would you call that? I call it hypocrisy and I think I am right. This thread is about that, not about Western "arrogance" that justifies islamic terrorism (at least according to Gelion).

 

[Gelion]

Gelion basically hate the West. He is happy whenever we're in trouble. That was my point.

Just look at his post: "That's all your fault, you shouldn't have provoked them". But this isn't thread about these cartoon themselves, it's about hypocrisy Muslims are showing. They burn flags and threaten westerners because of drawings, which are blasphemous, but murders in the name of their faith leave them cold.

How would you call that? I call it hypocrisy and I think I am right. This thread is about that, not about Western "arrogance" that justifies islamic terrorism (at least according to Gelion).

You should get a job in some ideologically fit news agency. I am sure they will pay you well.

1. I DONT HATE THE WEST!!!!!! HEAR ME WINNER!!!! I LOVE MOST OF IT!!!! I THINK YOU HAVE PROBLEMS AND I DISLIKE SOME POLICIES BUT OVERALL I LIVE THE WEST!!!!

2. If someone stands for something one should be prepared to be judged on different scale and also be responsible for ones actions.

3. DO NOT twist my words. 3 people have said that you are in the wrong and I do see very fashist ideas in your posts. If you equlize muslims to terrorists how can you even talk about freedoms and ideals?

By the way YOU claim to be part of the West now. At least half of Westerners dont share your views of the world. Only most extreme ones like shape....

No debate with you man. However you should serioulsly consider getting a job at Soros fund or something.

 

[Winner]

3. DO NOT twist my words.

This thread is about hypocrisy and as it appears, not just the Muslim one.

Read your first post in this discussion, Gelion, it's you who is twisting my words and then bashing me for something I've never said. I will not argue with you on this anymore, it's rather pointless. Either focus on the topic, or please, don't say anything. Thank you.

 

[Mrdie]

"OMG BUT THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM DID THIS!111"

Yes, and, let's see what Catholicism has done for the world! (Obviously this isn't all of it, and not all of Catholicism is bad, same with Islam)

1. Pope Urban II launched the first crusade! Woo!
2. Pope Innocent III launched crusades! Woohoo!
3. Indulgences (Pay the church and your sins are forgiven)
4. The Inquisition (Where the head of it was killed and made a Saint)
5. The various killings when people tried to translate the Bible.
6. Various Popes who are now antipopes (John XII, Benedict IX, etc)

There are more, but just because someone does a bad thing in the name of Religion doesn't mean there Religion permits it. (The Qu'ran talks about suicide bombers, not literally, but it talks against people like them)

 

[Gelion]

This thread is about hypocrisy and as it appears, not just the Muslim one.

Read your first post in this discussion, Gelion, it's you who is twisting my words and then bashing me for something I've never said. I will not argue with you on this anymore, it's rather pointless. Either focus on the topic, or please, don't say anything. Thank you.

From you sig:

aneeshm - "Any Muslim, in order to be a "true" Muslim (as defined by the Quran and Hadith), must be a fanatical infidel-killing machine. Most Muslims today are sensible, and have given up on most of the tenets of their religion. The few true believers out there have a nasty habit of crashing planes into big buildings."

I've read what you said about Muslims before Winner. That created quite a powerfull impression on the kind of thoughts you have.

I did reply on the topic in the last paragraph of my first post in this thread. If you are blind or colorblind then I cant help you....

 

[Winner]

"OMG BUT THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM DID THIS!111"

Yes, and, let's see what Catholicism has done for the world! (Obviously this isn't all of it, and not all of Catholicism is bad, same with Islam)

1. Pope Urban II launched the first crusade! Woo!
2. Pope Innocent III launched crusades! Woohoo!
3. Indulgences (Pay the church and your sins are forgiven)
4. The Inquisition (Where the head of it was killed and made a Saint)
5. The various killings when people tried to translate the Bible.

There are more, but just because someone does a bad thing in the name of Religion doesn't mean there Religion permits it. (The Qu'ran talks about suicide bombers, not literally, but it talks against people like them)

Another irrelevant post

Because Christians did the same, Muslims can now kill people because some newspaper published blasphemy. Right :shakehead

Get real. Read something about this case and then come back.

 

[Leonel]

There are more, but just because someone does a bad thing in the name of Religion doesn't mean there Religion permits it. (The Qu'ran talks about suicide bombers, not literally, but it talks against people like them)

That's right! Just because someone beats someone else in the name of Martin Luther King Jr doesn't mean that Civil Rights is a backward ideology reserved for the past.

 

[classical_hero]

My point was that we do not hear any outrage by muslims for these actions. Often when some idiot who calls himself a Christian does or says something stupid, then there is generally an outcry against that, but we do not see this in the Muslim world. This is what we need to see, Muslim leaders speaking out against it, but unfortunately many are praising them for their actions.

 

[Gelion]

My point was that we do not hear any outrage by muslims for these actions. Often when some idiot who calls himself a Christian does or says something stupid, then there is generally an outcry against that, but we do not see this in the Muslim world. This is what we need to see, Muslim leaders speaking out against it, but unfortunately many are praising them for their actions.

There could be a few reasons:

1. The leaders are afraid.
2. The leaders dont give a d*** about PR.
3. The leaders follow the same faith as these terrorists and therefore are not willing to stick their neck out for a pointless jesture that will not change a thing.

IMO it could be any of the 3 reasons....

 

[Jawz II]

It deals with alleged Western arrogance and other things Gelion like to use.



They are shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great) and murdering people. Al-Qaeda is killing people in the name of Islam, they admit it, it's not my invention.

So, be careful. I am not the one trolling here.



What was first, Abu Ghraib or 9/11?

he didnt say anything about western arrogance, he was talking about a certain kind of westerners. he didnt say all west eurpeans are like that.

i dont think what al-qaeda dose is representative of what muslims as a group do, and suggesting otherwise most defenitly is trolling.
kinda like your old sig was.

be careful? is that an E threat?
if youre being serious PM me

which was first, chicken or egg? how dose that matter? if we all agree 9/11 terrorists, abu ghraib torturers and murderers and al zarqawi are all despicable people, then what diffrence dose it make?


but if you wanna play that game, which was first, 9/11 or the invasion of palestine? (man i feel foolish for being sucked into this)

 

[Urederra]

"OMG BUT THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM DID THIS!111"

Yes, and, let's see what Catholicism has done for the world! (Obviously this isn't all of it, and not all of Catholicism is bad, same with Islam)

1. Pope Urban II launched the first crusade! Woo!

Well... You forgot the muslim invasion to the Christian Europe in first place.
Certainly, The crusade should have been sent to the European places conquered by the muslims rather than going directly to Jerusalem.

2. Pope Innocent III launched crusades! Woohoo!

Same as the previous one.

3. Indulgences (Pay the church and your sins are forgiven)

And what does that has to do with terrorism and hate to westerns? Under the agnostic/atheist point of view, that's completely irrelevant. Please explain.

4. The Inquisition (Where the head of it was killed and made a Saint)

I don't understand that. Who are you talking about when you said 'it' and who was proclamed Saint?

EDIT; Oh... I geddit now. The SAINT Inquisition. I thought you were talking about somebody. Saint here does not mean the same as Saint James, AFAIK.

5. The various killings when people tried to translate the Bible.

When? Where? As far as I know, Christians and Jews had translated the Bible into many languages. The school of Toledo in the 15th century is a good example of that.

6. Various Popes who are now antipopes (John XII, Benedict IX, etc)

And the relevance of that?

Any other examples, more recent, please, anything from the XVIII onwards?

There are more, but just because someone does a bad thing in the name of Religion doesn't mean there Religion permits it. (The Qu'ran talks about suicide bombers, not literally, but it talks against people like them)

AFAIK, Qu'ran talks about the prosecuting/killing of infidels.

Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:

5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”



9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”

2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”

5: 45-- “We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.”

2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”

9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.”

8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah is a real merciful indeed!)

How can Islamic Mullahs blatantly hide these authentic Quarnic verses? The above Qur’anic scriptures incited early Muslim Jihadis to behead thousands of non-Muslims and other infidels. These same Quranic verses may still inciting devout/fanatical Muslims of modern days. During the early period of Islam, especially during Islamic expeditions by Prophet Muhammad himself while he was in Medina, thousands of infidels were brutally beheaded by the Jihadis. Below is a case in point collected from the authentic Islamic history to use as an example of Islamic beheading.

Any place in the New Testament where it says that infidels must be killed?

 

[willemvanoranje]

Well... You forgot the muslim invasion to the Christian Europe in first place.

Christian Middle-East I'd say.. the crusades didn't go to today's Istanbul 'till somewhere in the beginning of the 13th century I think. And the reconquista is something different than the crusades. but that's all irrelevant too..

Not examples like that, Australians arent total left wingers .. yet ... but yeah in simular crimes it was all muslims.

Anglo-saxon countries don't really know left-wing I dare say... and I guess you're very happy about that.

No they until they come over, see how much of a pushoever people like you are and start pushing their own way.

Why don't you come here and try to push me over?

Excuse me? How are these 100000 Pakistanis going to die? They may actaully have to WORK in their own countries as opposed to coming to Europe and living off WELFARE cheques. You're implying that Pakistan is a place where these 100 000 people would be genocided, woops is that unintentional racism I detect? And I though you were the apitomy of tolerance.

I don't know, maybe in a nuclear war with India or something. Anyway, they will not have a very good life in Pakistan, that's for sure. The closest thing to you would probably be Indonesia. Take a look at life in Jakarta and you'll understand. You would do anything to get to a rich country too!

And living of welfare cheques? Well, there's people doing that indeed, but there are ways to stimulate them.

And please explain where your detector found racism so we can see where your detector might be broken...



Point 3: I might be extremely misinformed, but I have never ever heard of Australia having any problems even close to the problems Europe has. All I ever hear about Australia is that it's a big melting pot and that all is great. English, Greek, Croatian.. I never heard about religious unrests or racial riots? All I want to say is, do you really know what you are talking about? (and that's not flaming, it's a well-meant question)

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Just a completley pointless post here ... are there any muslim (registered) on this forum ... are they watching this ... because from most of the muslim related topics in OT i only found several people that are not against them :shakehead :
Now what does this make the forum ?

 

[DAv2003]

I'm very sad to see the complete bigotry by some members on this forum. I think people should consider the fact that when they talk about no Muslim condemming terroist attacks, they should really talk to Muslims in their community rather than relying on the media to report on all the idiots of the religion.
When it comes to the cartoons I can see why it's caused so much outrage. Imagine you're an average Muslim who merely wants to put food on the table for your family, you take racism every for terroism by people who claim to be Muslims when in actual fact they behave in complete oppisite to Allah's teachings.
And then some smart arse cartoonist thinks it's a great laugh to show your prophet, the man who started a religion based on serving God as a murderer. Do you think Catholics would like it if the Pope was shown to be a member of the IRA? Or that Protestants find themselves being lumped in the same group as the KKK?
The fact is that there was the same fuss a few months ago in Britain about the Jerry Springer Opera. But were the people who sent death threats there condemmed as hypocrites or savages? No, because they were seen as a stupid minority much like the terroists are to Islam. There's idiots in all religions, Islam has the misfortune simply to have some of the most vocal, that's all.

 

[Bronx Warlord]

I heard the BNP had formed Martyr Brigades, Activists are going to strap on cartoons and run into crowded mosques. Several in Bradford are to be targeted.

 

[MattJek]

Too me, this whole issue in addition with the way most muslims turn a blind eye to islamic terrorists, just show that Islam is suffering from a major inferiority complex. This doesnt surprise me given their history and current state of world affairs.

 

[MattJek]

.And then some smart arse cartoonist thinks it's a great laugh to show your prophet, the man who started a religion based on serving God as a murderer. Do you think Catholics would like it if the Pope was shown to be a member of the IRA?

Remember how the late John Paul II was portrayed with his physical struggles in his last 5 or so years of life. I remember seeing him being ridiculed and jeered at all the time on late nite shows and so forth. Catholics weren't up in arms about any of that, most of them brushed it aside as secular ignorance