Muslim hypocrisy?

[bhsup]

I have never understood why people take verses out of the Koran and use that as justification to label Muslims violent and bloodthirsty. Take verses from The Bible and you get the same picture for Jews and Christians.

1 billion Muslims or so in the world and I seriously doubt that most of them endorse violence, so why the blanket judgements? That's like judging Christianity based on the folks who stir things up in Northern Ireland.

Mind you, I'm not trying to say the acts performed by those of the extremist nutjob persuasion are not terrorist acts. I'm also not saying this flare-up over the cartoons is not idiotic. I'm just saying let's show some restraint here and not paint such a wide brush and indict everyone over the acts of some. Eh?

 

[Gelion]

I have never understood why people take verses out of the Koran and use that as justification to label Muslims violent and bloodthirsty. Take verses from The Bible and you get the same picture for Jews and Christians.

1 billion Muslims or so in the world and I seriously doubt that most of them endorse violence, so why the blanket judgements? That's like judging Christianity based on the folks who stir things up in Northern Ireland.

Mind you, I'm not trying to say the acts performed by those of the extremist nutjob persuasion are not terrorist acts. I'm also not saying this flare-up over the cartoons is not idiotic. I'm just saying let's show some restraint here and not paint such a wide brush and indict everyone over the acts of some. Eh?

Thanks man that saved me a long post in relation to aneeshm

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Well for one reason that I believe that no religion unless it is evidently destructive is the "right way to God". If anything I am against policising of religion as I think that it should be a private business of each person. Any attempt for spread of religion or involving it in political struggle ends in blood or loss of faith. It is true of any religion. By destructuve religion I mean that one that practices cannibalism, and other destructive rithuals (good example: Satanism). Islam despite what uninformed people think is not a destructive religion and therefore I have no problems with its followers except for extremists. Extremists (violent extermists) are a problem of every society regardless of sex(well maybe mostly male), nationality, religion or race. To me unless they are a majority in a religion they cannot represent the whole religion. I do well to keep that in mind. Just because German Nazis did one of the most horrible things in our history 50 years ago I try not to equalize them with todays Germans. In fact despite our history I am normally pleased to communicate with Germans.
Also I realise the pointlessness of complete cut of of cmmunications and a struggle. Dialogue and evolution are often the best options. Of course dialogue should not be done who wish to fight (on both sides).
Thats the main reason apart from the fact that in this debate I try to point to the balance that is needed between responsibility and freedom of speech.
I could write more but I have to do other things.

Go do other things, you can reply later Ok, well I think everything you said is admirable, and I understand what you mean. But now how about this though: what if the people who strap on the suicide belts, and hijack the airplanes and fly them into buildings, what if they just laugh at all of that? Reminds me of that scene from a movie where the martial arts guy does all his fancy moves for like five minutes, and then the other guy pulls out a gun and shoots him (Indiana Jones?).

 

[HannibalBarka]

Look at the thread started by Moustafa - he is the first Muslim I am aware of, who disagree with the violence commited because of these cartoons.

and how many Muslims you know?

 

[Gelion]

and how many Muslims you know?

Its me, you and Jaws

 

[Gelion]

Go do other things, you can reply later Ok, well I think everything you said is admirable, and I understand what you mean. But now how about this though: what if the people who strap on the suicide belts, and hijack the airplanes and fly them into buildings, what if they just laugh at all of that? Reminds me of that scene from a movie where the martial arts guy does all his fancy moves for like five minutes, and then the other guy pulls out a gun and shoots him (Indiana Jones?).

I think it exists in a lot of movies now -the episode was so good

I am sure they laught at that and I am sure a lot of them really believe that they are doing it in the name of religion. As I said these are not the people that dialogue should be held with. You cant win a war on terror let alone a religious war unless by total anihilation. However that war can be reduced or even stopped if the routes of the problem are solved. (hunger, hopelessness, poverty, lack of education....list goes on). One of the problem of religions is that they say that they are the "right way" and therefore all others must be heretics. If religions can be changed so that they accept other religions then there could be more hope. I'm afraid Christianity suffers from this last problem mentioned just as much as Islam. However Christians have moved maybe a bit further in understanding that other religions have a right to existance.....

P.S. I think I am done with that long paragraph about "why"

 

[HannibalBarka]

I dont care if its a majority or not. Its besides the point. The fact is that Im tired of worrying what offends Muslims. Im tired of seeing angry chanting Muslims mobs burning flags. Im tired of Muslims, period. This week, the Muslims are mad because of a newspaper cartoon. Last week the Muslims were angry because soup kitchens were offering pork to the poor. Before that, they were angy because two punks died in France, so they burned thousands of cars of innocent people. Maybe next week, they'll feel offended that Western women walk around showing their faces in public. Im just completely, 100% fed up to here (pointing to forehead).

And I ma tired of you being tired, go have some rest

 

[HannibalBarka]

We need their oil because we're idiots. If by some miracle one day we actually elect a real leader in this country, instead of a member or employee of the oil cartel, we'll wean ourselves off of it and become energy independent. Im not holding my breath though.

I am tired of you american electing idiots

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[Bozo Erectus]

Well at least you seem to be having a good time....Are you high right now?

 

[HannibalBarka]

So, those racists dare to feel offended by our mild drawings.
Again, this is nothing more than an

UTTER HYPOCRISY.​

Knowing that you are openly racist against Rom, I say it is

UTTER HYPOCRISY.​

indedd

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

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[aneeshm]

Thanks man that saved me a long post in relation to aneeshm

I shall not consider that a reply , because it does not answer what I have said to you .

 

[Heretic_Cata]

I have never understood why people take verses out of the Koran and use that as justification to label Muslims violent and bloodthirsty. Take verses from The Bible and you get the same picture for Jews and Christians.

1 billion Muslims or so in the world and I seriously doubt that most of them endorse violence, so why the blanket judgements? That's like judging Christianity based on the folks who stir things up in Northern Ireland.

Mind you, I'm not trying to say the acts performed by those of the extremist nutjob persuasion are not terrorist acts. I'm also not saying this flare-up over the cartoons is not idiotic. I'm just saying let's show some restraint here and not paint such a wide brush and indict everyone over the acts of some. Eh?

Finaly some people with common sense ... you and Gelion (well there are others too )

 

[Gelion]

I shall not consider that a reply , because it does not answer what I have said to you .

In a few short words I want to say that Islam is NOT a destructive religion and therefor saying that not true Muslims (Winners sig) are civilized is well radical. Therefore keeping in mind this view I cannot accept your view of the world.

Thanks HC

 

[bhsup]

Finaly some rational people ... you and Gelion (well there are others too )

You may want to read more of my posts in general in OT before you deem me rational. Quite a few folks probably think I'm quite the loon on several topics. Oh, and just for the record, while I'm happy to agree with Gelion in this instance, from other posts he's made, it's not exactly a common occurance. But hey, different strokes for different folks.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

You may want to read more of my posts in general in OT before you deem me rational. Quite a few folks probably think I'm quite the loon on several topics. Oh, and just for the record, while I'm happy to agree with Gelion in this instance, from other posts he's made, it's not exactly a common occurance. But hey, different strokes for different folks.

Maybe i should have said more common sense - is that ok ? - i'll modify

 

[aneeshm]

In a few short words I want to say that Islam is NOT a destructive religion and therefor saying that not true Muslims (Winners sig) are civilized is well radical. Therefore keeping in mind this view I cannot accept your view of the world.

Thanks HC

But I do not accept a few short words ! I can only accept a complete reply , with contextual quotes , like the one I provided , so that you cannot generalise what has to be dealt with more specifically .

And nobody is asking you to accept our view of the world . As long as you follow the chain of reasoning we have built , you will get there anyway .

 

[Gelion]

Oh, and just for the record, while I'm happy to agree with Gelion in this instance, from other posts he's made, it's not exactly a common occurance. But hey, different strokes for different folks.

Yeah whatever we argued about the last time I remember we had a heated debate. But I am as glad as yuo that we agree here

aneeshm: I dont want to bind myself at this moment and I dont really want to reply now as well as means that I have to do some work. Therefore I dont promise that I will reply in full, but I might.

 

[zulu9812]

Those protestors who held up placards calling for terrorist actions should be arrested. They are guilty of Incitement to Crime, which is in itself a crime - it' really is a simple as that. To not do so because the situation is 'politically sensitive' also does a great disservice to the many law-abiding people of this country; muslim or non-muslim. Not only that, but it shows that these people have benefited from their extremeism - "Oh, you'd better not arrest us, or our people will kick off".

The law is the law.

 

[El_Machinae]

but it shows that these people have benefited from their extremeism - "Oh, you'd better not arrest us, or our people will kick off".

We have this problem with the Hell's Angels too. People are too afraid of the consequences of standing up to them, and so we do not.