"Muslims are not welcome in Germany"

[abradley]

SUNDAY, MAY 01, 2016
"Muslims are not welcome in Germany"

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/05/muslims-are-not-welcome-in-germany.html

AfD is stepping in to shoulder the responsibility of defending the German people that the two mainstream parties have so badly shirked:

One week after Austria was shocked by the news that its right-wing, anti-immigrant Freedom Party, had swept the competition, gathering over 35% of the vote and leaving the other five candidates far behind, Europe's anti-immigrant juggernaut just added to its momentum when neighboring Germany's populist AfD party adopted an anti-Islam policy on Sunday in a manifesto that also demands curbs to immigration according to AFP. The biggest surprise however, is that the three year-old party is now also Germany's third strongest party.

Formed only three years ago on what was originally a eurosceptic platform, the Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained strength as the loudest protest voice against Chancellor Angela Merkel's welcome to refugees that brought over one million asylum seekers last year. However, with the migrant influx sharply down in recent months, the AfD has shifted focus to the signature issue of the xenophobic Pegida street movement, whose full name is Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the Occident.

"Islam is not part of Germany" ran a headline in the AfD policy paper agreed in a vote by some 2,400 members at the party congress in the western city of Stuttgart.

The paper demanded bans on minarets on mosques, the call to prayer, full-face veils for women and female headscarves in schools.

Within three years, every Western nation will have a strong political party that endorses some sort of restrictions, if not outright bans, on Islam. The current battle in the British Labour Party over Muslim anti-semitism in the party may mark an important turning point here, as it appears that Britain's Jews have begun to realize that "let's you and him fight" is not a functional strategy and are no longer able to fool themselves into thinking that a de-Christianized West is a beneficial option.

Reconquista 2.0 has begun. One hopes it will be more peaceful and less protracted than its predecessor.

Have seen backlash parties before, they are usually short lived.

Funky is the man on the street in Germany, maybe he'll chime in.

There is a RD thread on Germany's March elections, but RD threads are rather restrictive ... wanted a more open discussion w/varied opinions.

 

[Ajidica]

I thought we bombed the fascism out of Germany once before.

 

[abradley]

I thought we bombed the fascism out of Germany once before.

How is the AfD Fascist?

 

[Joecoolyo]

Hitler totally wasn't about defending the German people from the threats of Jewry.

 

[Ajidica]

How is the AfD Fascist?

You don't see anything vaguely fascist about a party trying to ban cultural/religious expression on the grounds it is "not part of Germany"?

 

[abradley]

Hitler totally wasn't about defending the German people from the threats of Jewry.

Is that Fascism?

 

[Ajidica]

Is that Fascism?

Well, technically fascism focuses on the nation while Nazism broke with fascism to emphasize the racial aspect, which happened to blend nicely in with Nazism whole "genocidal apocalyptic clash of civilizations slave state" Thing.

Still, to paraphrase Charlie Brooker, AfD isn't a particularly edifying sight to say the least.

 

[abradley]

You don't see anything vaguely fascist about a party trying to ban cultural/religious expression on the grounds it is "not part of Germany"?

That's a wide open question. Would I see anything wrong with a party or religion that wants to restrict my rights as an American ... yes.

Like the SJWers and Leftists that want and do restrict free speech on US campuses.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Make Greater Germany Great again !

 

[abradley]

Well, technically fascism focuses on the nation while Nazism broke with fascism to emphasize the racial aspect, which happened to blend nicely in with Nazism whole "genocidal apocalyptic clash of civilizations slave state" Thing.

Still, to paraphrase Charlie Brooker, AfD isn't a particularly edifying sight to say the least.

Is Charlie Brooker a particularly edifying sight? And even more important ... why should I be impressed with his views?

 

[Ajidica]

Because you lack imagination?

 

[abradley]

Because you lack imagination?

How do you know?

 

[Ryika]

Just imagine we had a party that said reasonable things such as:

"Muslims are welcome in Germany as long as they're willing to leave their outdated views behind and approach their religion in a way that is compatible with western views. If you're not willing to do that, just stay away."

How easy the world would be if people could actually vote for a party that holds these views instead of having to go for either the AfD or one of the denialist parties.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

That's a wide open question. Would I see anything wrong with a party or religion that wants to restrict my rights as an American ... yes.

Like the SJWers and Leftists that want and do restrict free speech on US campuses.

Are any politicians in Germany (or anyone at all, in that country) restricting your rights as an American?

The notion that Canada would have a political party dedicated to prohibiting Islam in Canada would immediately run up against the Charter, which guarantees that people are free to believe in whatever religion they want, or to have no religion at all. Publicly advocating hate/harm to any specific minority is hate speech, which isn't allowed here, and it would take a drastic shift in Canadian attitudes to even begin to contemplate such a political party.

We just got rid of the one that was heading in that direction. Evidently they haven't learned a damn thing from their defeat last October, as the cabinet minister who announced the "Barbaric Cultural Practices" tip line that encouraged people to spy on their neighbors and report them for "barbaric practices" (the parameters were so vague that I could report my neighbor for cooking Brussels sprouts, never mind such things as forcing a young girl to undergo FGM or marry a cousin) has also announced that she's running for leader of that party (ex-PM Harper stepped down as party leader).

 

[abradley]

Are any politicians in Germany (or anyone at all, in that country) restricting your rights as an American?

The notion that Canada would have a political party dedicated to prohibiting Islam in Canada would immediately run up against the Charter, which guarantees that people are free to believe in whatever religion they want, or to have no religion at all. Publicly advocating hate/harm to any specific minority is hate speech, which isn't allowed here, and it would take a drastic shift in Canadian attitudes to even begin to contemplate such a political party.

We just got rid of the one that was heading in that direction. Evidently they haven't learned a damn thing from their defeat last October, as the cabinet minister who announced the "Barbaric Cultural Practices" tip line that encouraged people to spy on their neighbors and report them for "barbaric practices" (the parameters were so vague that I could report my neighbor for cooking Brussels sprouts, never mind such things as forcing a young girl to undergo FGM or marry a cousin) has also announced that she's running for leader of that party (ex-PM Harper stepped down as party leader).

Honestly don't know, is that what this thread is about?

Could you really report your neighbor for cooking Brussels sprout?

Reminds me of http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...ighbor-sees-whats-happening-inside-his-garage

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Honestly don't know, is that what this thread is about?

Do you not read your own posts?

Here's a reminder:

You don't see anything vaguely fascist about a party trying to ban cultural/religious expression on the grounds it is "not part of Germany"?

That's a wide open question. Would I see anything wrong with a party or religion that wants to restrict my rights as an American ... yes.

The implication is that you think that what's going on in Germany is going to somehow restrict your rights as an American. I just wondered if anyone in Germany, whether a politician or not, had actually done this.

Could you really report your neighbor for cooking Brussels sprout?

As I said, the guidelines were incredibly vague. And as I personally consider Brussels sprouts to be a profoundly disgusting sort of biomatter that little kids are sometimes forced to eat (speaking from experience here), it would qualify as a barbaric cultural practice for me.

If it had actually become a real legal thing, I expect the guidelines would have been better defined (at least I'd hope so). But the fact that it was even thought of sent chills across the country. There is nothing in that tip line idea that couldn't be accomplished by calling 911. Harper just wanted to go on a witch hunt, and used the excuse that "well, there are these woman who have to wear scarves over their faces..." and get everyone spying on their neighbors.

I live in a multicultural building, and there are people from many parts of the world who live here. I don't care what the women wear, as long as it's not illegal or offensive, and if I caught wind of anyone at risk of being killed for not wearing a hijab or being shipped off to Afghanistan or Pakistan to marry a cousin, there's this thing called a telephone, and there are already a variety of places I can call to report such things.

Reminds me of http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...ighbor-sees-whats-happening-inside-his-garage

Sounds like he should have kept the flag somewhere that it wouldn't be publicly visible, if he just had to have such a thing.

 

[Agent327]

Rant thread is rant thread.

Meanwhile, one wonders where the AfD plans to deport Germany's 2 to 4 million Muslims.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Rant thread is rant thread.
Meanwhile, one wonders where the AfD plans to deport Germany's 2 to 4 million Muslims.

Iam assume to Poland where there will be a "Final Solution" to the Muslim Question ?
I meant Greece where there will be a "Final Solution" to the "Pay Debt" question ?

 

[GoodSarmatian]

"Muslims are welcome in Germany as long as they're willing to leave their outdated views behind and approach their religion in a way that is compatible with western views. If you're not willing to do that, just stay away."

The CDU and CSU have been saying things like that for decades, but maybe they were too subtle for the AfD demographic.
The only thing that could have stopped the creation of a German Tea Party would have been an economic policy that actually benefits the majority of the people, but the only ones in favor of that are seen as unelectable left-wing crazies. Instead the petty burgeoisie and Lumpenproletariat now flock to a party that wants to cut taxes and privatixe what's left of our welfare states. Many people blame Angela Merkel for the AfD. I say Gerhard Schröder has more responsibility.

 

[Agent327]

Germany doesn't have a Lumpenproletariat. Unless you mean Ossis by that.

Iam assume to Poland where there will be a "Final Solution" to the Muslim Question ?

If you want to make an analogy, Germany should first conquer the country with most Muslims. Which isn't Poland.