My Problems with the International Community, the UN, and the "Human Rights" Judgment

[GhostWriter16]

Congratulations! You just legalized abortion.

First of all, if you wanted to agree with my point and wanted to link it to abortion, you also have to accept the rest of my points.

Second of all, the debate comes down to whether or not you think the fetus is a life or not. If it is, then killing him/her is murder and so CANNOT be legalized by any amendment. This is my opinion.

If the fetus ISN'T a life, but just a potential life, you may have a point. I'd still probably oppose it because you are stopping a life in progress, but I'd support exceptions and smaller penalties. But since I believe it is, I think it should get the death penalty everywhere and always.

But THAT debate isn't for this thread.

 

[Verbose]

That is not correct. The Constitution says the right of the people

Entirely a matter of interpretation. "The people" may be made up of individuals, but is a collective.

 

[Cutlass]

First of all, if you wanted to agree with my point and wanted to link it to abortion, you also have to accept the rest of my points.

Second of all, the debate comes down to whether or not you think the fetus is a life or not. If it is, then killing him/her is murder and so CANNOT be legalized by any amendment. This is my opinion.

If the fetus ISN'T a life, but just a potential life, you may have a point. I'd still probably oppose it because you are stopping a life in progress, but I'd support exceptions and smaller penalties. But since I believe it is, I think it should get the death penalty everywhere and always.

But THAT debate isn't for this thread.

The constitutional issue is one of privacy and limited government. If you think government should be limited, and that people have a constitutional right to privacy, then you agree with Roe V Wade.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

But it still allows them to know that you have a gun. This is an invasion of privacy.

If you are driving on the road, they ALREADY know you have a car, so its not an invasion of privacy.

What kind of logic is this? Allow to know you have a gun, invasion of privacy. Allow to know you have a car, no invasion of privacy.

Also, can we agree such a right exists to some point?

I'm not questioning the existence of the right to privacy.

I'm questioning the above and how a serial number differs from a license plate because a serial number "lets them know where you are all the time."

 

[Traitorfish]

What kind of logic is this? Allow to know you have a gun, invasion of privacy. Allow to know you have a car, no invasion of privacy.
I'm not questioning the existence of the right to privacy.

It seems to rest on the assumption that the state inevitably knows each and every driver and their car, because IT IS ALWAYS WATCHING. IT NEVER SLEEPS. Or something to that effect.

@RRW- Well, I don't think an SAM battery is really a "Firearm." I'd probably make the same distinction (Not really a firearm, more of an explosive type weapon) for Grenade launchers or Bazookas.

However, a machine gun, a sniper rifle, exc. are firearms without question and should be fully legal.

So you'd be fine with a privately-owned flak gun? It's just just a giant machine gun, after all.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Cars are much more dangerous than guns. Cars are designed to run people over in an efficient manner.

 

[Arakhor]

But guns were mentioned in the Constitution, putting them only one step down from the Bible in importance to Domination.

 

[sophie]

But guns were mentioned in the Constitution, putting them only one step down from the Bible in importance to Domination.

Oh yeah! The negative 2nd amendment! "And the right to bear your bible and brandish it as a club shall not be infringed upon"

That's an amendment I cling to and make use of every single day. Gosh darn those founding fathers sure were insightful.

 

[Traitorfish]

Oh yeah! The negative 2nd amendment! "And the right to bear your bible and brandish it as a club shall not be infringed upon"

 

[Ajidica]

The problem with Scotland, is that they are full of Scots! As for Ireland, who cares? They're all nutters.

tenchar

 

[Brian Shanahan]

The Catalpa Rescue! I know it well!

<bigoted racists singing song>

I am a ig fan of the Fenians, but Traitorfish why, oh why did you have to link to that bunch of bigoted pack of idiots who defile the name of Theobald Wolfe Tone.

 

[GhostWriter16]

The constitutional issue is one of privacy and limited government. If you think government should be limited, and that people have a constitutional right to privacy, then you agree with Roe V Wade.

I don't think they should use illegal methods to enforce said anti-abortion laws. But those laws should exist because I believe the fetus is a life.

Or, does the "Right to privacy" allow you to kill your baby in your home?

So you'd be fine with a privately-owned flak gun? It's just just a giant machine gun, after all.

Eh, I wouldn't support a federal ban of them at least.

But guns were mentioned in the Constitution, putting them only one step down from the Bible in importance to Domination.

Well, in the United States, the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

And no, its not "One step below" the Bible, its several.

 

[Ajidica]

Well, in the United States, the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

And no, its not "One step below" the Bible, its several.

For God or Country?
I thought the Thirty Years War and the Peace of Westphalia solved this question.

 

[Traitorfish]

I am a ig fan of the Fenians, but Traitorfish why, oh why did you have to link to that bunch of bigoted pack of idiots who defile the name of Theobald Wolfe Tone.

True enough, but being a bigoted pack of idiots doesn't mean you can't sing a decent song.

(Although, to be honest, I was actually looking for a different song, originally, the with the same tune as "Rosin the Bow", but I couldn't find a decent recording.)

 

[GhostWriter16]

For God or Country?

Not for national law, but for my personal belief system and personal reverence.

 

[Ajidica]

Still, for God or Country?

@Brian: Who is that in your avatar? It looks a bit like Castlereagh, but I don't think so.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Still, for God or Country?

Not sure what you mean, I do think everyone should follow the Bible, but making them do so would be stupid...

 

[Brian Shanahan]

True enough, but being a bigoted pack of idiots doesn't mean you can't sing a decent song.

(Although, to be honest, I was actually looking for a different song, originally, the with the same tune as Rosin the Bow, but I couldn't find a decent recording.)

But it means you should really keep from advertising their wares as much as possible. And on the matter of singing a decent song, it's the Wolfe Tones, they are really sub-par when it comes to Irish folk. Most of their appeal comes from being part of the "kill all the Black Prods" part of Irish societ (much as I wish it didn't exist), which gives their name a whole new level of unitentional irony.

 

[Ajidica]

Not sure what you mean, I do think everyone should follow the Bible, but making them do so would be stupid...

If the question came down to it, would you place religous law over secular law?

 

[GhostWriter16]

If the question came down to it, would you place religous law over secular law?

What do you mean?

If the law told me to do something against my religion, I would disobey the law. In that sense, religious law is higher.

However, if an unbeliever did something against religious law, that doesn't mean the government should punish them.

Does that answer?