My youtube world history series.

[Lone Wolf]

Do games like Civilization and Europa Universalis reinforce such a crude notion of history as portrayed in these videos?

Discuss.

 

[History_Buff]

Yeah, probably. Civilization probably much more so than EU, since EU at least has a bunch of historical events with text that talk about what was happening at the time. Also includes all the little states that were rather intimately involved in the diplomatic game. Civilization (particularly the later renditions) is the epitome of anthropomorphized colored blobs yelling jingoistic text at one another and conquering other colored blobs.

I think in both cases large sections of the modding community help to show that this was not how things tended to work.

 

[Lone Wolf]

since EU at least has a bunch of historical events with text that talk about what was happening at the time.

Not since EU3.

And EU suffers from "boring peace" syndrome more then Civ, not to mention that its graphics is more "blobby".

I think in both cases large sections of the modding community help to show that this was not how things tended to work.

That's true.

 

[Masada]

EU3 and CK2 are unplayable without mods from my perspective, just sayin'.

 

[History_Buff]

Not since EU3.

Eh, EU3 doesn't force the historical outcome, but many of the events are still there. They're just not guaranteed to fire.

Of course, I never actually played EU2, so I'm just going on word of mouth of the changes.

And EU suffers from "boring peace" syndrome more then Civ, not to mention that its graphics is more "blobby".

I sort of agree about the boring peace part, but I think it's because Civ just evens out the peaks and troughs more than really giving something to do in peace time. I also don't think the boring peace thing is nearly as bad as those on the Paradox forums seem to think, but I was almost always playing MM, which adds a bunch more stuff to watch out for.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Magna Mundi runs extremely slow at my 9-year-old computer. It did have a more historical atmosphere with its events then vanilla EU3, though.

 

[Masada]

MM feels like a straitjacket to me

 

[Lone Wolf]

Yeah, you cry "Lol novgorod i conquer u!!!" n them rebuls rise up, their like "no u!!!!" n tsall sucks so mch, totaly strjket

 

[Masada]

nobody cares about asians in EUIII.

 

[Dachs]

MM is a straitjacket without making things that much more plausible. I never liked it much.

 

[History_Buff]

MM feels like a straitjacket to me

I kinda liked that. Basic EU3 always seemed too open, and if you didn't want to form a massive blob that overran the world, then even the war part wasn't particularly interesting.

 

[_random_]

EU3 and CK2 are unplayable without mods from my perspective, just sayin'.

I've been thinking about picking up CK2. Any mods you recommend?

 

[History_Buff]

CK2+ was always my go to. Though I'm not sure if there's much maintenance happening now that Wiz has a job at Paradox. It is up to date with the latest patch though.

 

[Masada]

What he said. I believe Wiz has promised to keep updating.

 

[Domen]

What about TW series games?

 

[sophie]

What about TW series games?

EB and EB2 whenever it gets done. I hear Broken Crescent is decentish. SS is overrated. I don't know about mods for ETW or S2 (I don't even know if S2 supports modding)

 

[aronnax]

What about Victoria 2?

If anything, you thrive to be in peace. Fighting a war is bloody exhausting, especially when it's two great powers against each other. Trying to encircle troops in Russia is horrible as Prussia and damn right impossible as Japan.