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[skadistic]

Again, reading isnt the same as understanding...let alone accepting it as truth. An athiest trying to lecture a christian on christianity is like a white man lecturing a black man on what its like to be black.

Can a white have been a black man before becoming a white man and thus know what its like to be a black man? ( Michael Jackson doesn't count)The answer is no. Swap in athiest and christian and the answer is yes.


Try another analogy that one was DOA.

 

[brennan]

Bollocks. Brennan, thats not your method on this board and we both know. Its actually laughable that you would even suggest this is how you would react.

It is your tactic to refuse debate and descend into pedantry, not mine. It's not like it would be hard for me to counter a claim that I am not an atheist is it?

 

[MobBoss]

sorry, mobboss, but I can't see anything to gain for anyone if we continue the debate. I personally feel (forgive me, please, for being so frank) that you are a person driven by an inferiority complex, and use your religion to push yourself up in your own view. I may be totally wrong, and I apologize if you feel insulted by what I think of you. But your posts show clearly to me that you do not even attempt to understand what I mean, but rather delight in knee-jerk one-liners.

So, you choose to say this instead of admit that you were wrong about me not being positive to anyone in this thread?

Was it too tough to admit error?

And you are also incorrect in another matter. There is simply no need to apologize for your veiled insult for the sole reason I dont really care what you think of me. In my view, your nothing more than the atypical athiest whose comments are right in line with all the rest. In other words: expected.

Can a white have been a black man before becoming a white man and thus know what its like to be a black man? ( Michael Jackson doesn't count)The answer is no. Swap in athiest and christian and the answer is yes.


Try another analogy that one was DOA.

If a christian becomes an athiest what does it say about what kind of christian he was? Or was he ever really a christian to begin with? What makes you think a failed christian would have the same insight or understanding of christianity than a devout christian?

Somehow I dont think they would.

 

[brennan]

your nothing more than the atypical athiest whose comments are right in line with all the rest.

That would indeed make them atypical

What makes you think a failed christian would have the same insight or understanding of christianity than a devout christian?

Given how your opinion various from that of most Christians I know...?

 

[JollyRoger]

If a christian becomes an athiest what does it say about what kind of christian he was? Or was he ever really a christian to begin with? What makes you think a failed christian would have the same insight or understanding of christianity than a devout christian?

Would you characterize a former atheist that becomes a Christian as a failed atheist? Would you think that they might have become a Christian because, in some part, due to their reading of the Bible? Why would someone moving the other way be any different? I personally think that the more closely someone actually reads the Bible, the more likely they could change from belief to disbelief, but I could see how selective and limited reading could cause someone to go from nonbeliever to believe.

 

[skadistic]

If a christian becomes an athiest what does it say about what kind of christian he was? Or was he ever really a christian to begin with? What makes you think a failed christian would have the same insight or understanding of christianity than a devout christian?

Somehow I dont think they would.

A failed christian? I'd say a "failed" christian has more insight to shed off the cloak of misplaced faith.

You say christians don't all think the same so whos to say a christian has the right amount of insight.

What kind of cristian are you? As pointed out a few times in this thread your not very christian compared to other christians or the christian teaching. You even admit to not being the perfect christian. So who are you to question how much insight one who has lived and rejected christianity has. Your arrogance shines though yet again.

 

[warpus]

One, you seem to equate athiesm = disability in your arguement.

You generally feel sorry for people for that reason - because they are disabled in some way, emotionally or physically. Or because they feel some sort of a pain, I suppose. That doesn't quite fall under disability, but that was the best word I could think of at the time.

Its nothing of the sort. disabled people didnt choose to be disabled. You are making a choice. So its not exactly the same level of sympathy.

It's unwarranted and unwanted sympathy, which is why it insults me.

That being said, please realize that this is a place where we can speak our minds. Often I dont like what atheists say about my religion and consider it rude and yet it gets said regardless. So why should I be ashamed to say I feel sorry for people who dont believe in God?

So.. the fact that you get insulted prompts you to 'speak your mind' and insult others as a result?

If you feel insulted, speak up, in a civilized way, like I'm doing now (and if you don't think I am, let me know ). No need to insult back.. that's petty.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Again, reading isnt the same as understanding...let alone accepting it as truth. An athiest trying to lecture a christian on christianity is like a white man lecturing a black man on what its like to be black.

Can a white have been a black man before becoming a white man and thus know what its like to be a black man? ( Michael Jackson doesn't count)The answer is no. Swap in athiest and christian and the answer is yes.

Try another analogy that one was DOA.

If a christian becomes an athiest what does it say about what kind of christian he was? Or was he ever really a christian to begin with? What makes you think a failed christian would have the same insight or understanding of christianity than a devout christian?

Somehow I dont think they would.

You're on a dangerous road here, MobBoss, where the next step is to claim that anyone who criticises you can't be a devout Christian, or possibly a "true" Christian.
Stop it.
Start listening to their criticisms.

You are not worthy to judge me in any way, shape or form where christianity is concerned. Not even close.

Isn't he?

"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples..." (Jesus, John 13)

"For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges." (Paul, 1 Cor 5)

Looks to be the other way around.

 

[MobBoss]

That would indeed make them atypical

Thanks for the correction, I indeed mean 'typical' not 'atypical'.

Given how your opinion various from that of most Christians I know...?

So now personal experience is valid?

You're on a dangerous road here, MobBoss, where the next step is to claim that anyone who criticises you can't be a devout Christian, or possibly a "true" Christian.
Stop it.
Start listening to their criticisms

Not true, Erik. As I have stated several times, not all christians agree on such matters. That doesnt make one any 'truer' than the other...it simply means they disagree.

Case in point. I disagree with you on a large number of items, but I dont doubt your faith because you express it well and consistently. But that doesnt mean we are going to take warm showers together and be bestest buds 4evah.

I dont mind facing the 'when athiests attack' kind of threads for the sole reason I dont mind confronting them on their own ground. I am simply not going to compromise my own faith merely to appease them on any level. Now, you might not think that very nice, but hey, you are you, and I am me.

It's unwarranted and unwanted sympathy, which is why it insults me.

As Eran pointed out earlier...to me perhaps its warranted.

I get insulted all the time by athiests who make comments and dont really care in comparing Jesus to the easter bunny, invisible friend or make believe fairy tale. Athiests feel such comments are entirely justifiable becuase they see it as 'truth'.

But when I state I feel sorry for an athiest all of a sudden I am labeled 'rude', because I actually set voice to my opinion which I see as 'truth' also.

When in turn devolves another thread into an episode of 'when athiests attack'.

Funny, funny, stuff.

 

[JollyRoger]

When in turn devolves another thread into an episode of 'when athiests attack'.

Funny, funny, stuff.

 

[Phlegmak]

I get insulted all the time by athiests who make comments and dont really care in comparing Jesus to the easter bunny, invisible friend or make believe fairy tale. Athiests feel such comments are entirely justifiable becuase they see it as 'truth'.

But when I state I feel sorry for an athiest all of a sudden I am labeled 'rude', because I actually set voice to my opinion which I see as 'truth' also.

When in turn devolves another thread into an episode of 'when athiests attack'.

Funny, funny, stuff.

Man, what a victim complex.

 

[warpus]

I get insulted all the time by athiests who make comments and dont really care in comparing Jesus to the easter bunny, invisible friend or make believe fairy tale. Athiests feel such comments are entirely justifiable becuase they see it as 'truth'.

So.. because you get offended by something a couple atheists say, I am no longer able to voice my objection when you say something that offends me personally?

But when I state I feel sorry for an athiest all of a sudden I am labeled 'rude', because I actually set voice to my opinion which I see as 'truth' also.

I do not speak for the other atheists who have insulted you, so your point is moot.

I speak up when I feel insulted irregardless of any insults that may or may not have transpired previously.. unless it's me insulting you in a similar manner, in which case I'd be a hypocrite.

When in turn devolves another thread into an episode of 'when athiests attack'.

Your definition of 'atheist' doesn't even include me, does it? To you I'm an agnostic - based on your posts in a couple other threads.

 

[brennan]

...but you are an Agnostic Warpus.

Boy do I feel sorry for you

 

[warpus]

...but you are an Agnostic Warpus.

Boy do I feel sorry for you

Both agnostic and atheist if anyone cares

 

[Trajan12]

Again, reading isnt the same as understanding...let alone accepting it as truth. An athiest trying to lecture a christian on christianity is like a white man lecturing a black man on what its like to be black.

You'd be extremely surprised how mal/uninformed a lot of Christians are about their religion...

 

[MobBoss]

So.. because you get offended by something a couple atheists say, I am no longer able to voice my objection when you say something that offends me personally?

'A couple'? Oh please. Try overwhelming majority.

And no, you can voice your objection all day long - I know I do. You most certainly have the freedom of speech to voice your opinion. But that neither makes it correct, nor justifies the demand.

I do not speak for the other atheists who have insulted you, so your point is moot.

Neither do I speak for other christians who might or might not feel sorry for you as well. /shrug.

Your definition of 'atheist' doesn't even include me, does it? To you I'm an agnostic - based on your posts in a couple other threads.

Again, as in those very same threads, you self-describe yourself as one or the other as the mood strikes you. Needless to say in the context of our current convo they are rather interchangable in their application.

You'd be extremely surprised how mal/uninformed a lot of Christians are about their religion...

No....No I wouldnt at all. I am fully aware of a good number of christians that have watered down their faith in order to avoid confrontation and/or appease those that dont agree with them.

I wont do that however.

 

[JollyRoger]

No....No I wouldnt at all. I am fully aware of a good number of christians that have watered down their faith in order to avoid confrontation and/or appease those that dont agree with them.

I wont do that however.

Except for appeasing the macho culture elites when it comes to a bar fight.

 

[ainwood]

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