NES2 V - The Great Game.

[Finmaster]

Exactly my point, Kal! As we do not understand how things work, its hard making assumptions based purely on logic.

 

[Disenfrancised]

...and I was serious about ignoring treaties you don't PM to me...

Considering all my treaties would be in the region of 2 extra PMs, I decided it would be rather more efficent to link to the treaties in my orders - if thats not okay das I can PM you them all .

 

[Thlayli]

If this fails, I'm fleeing to my private villa in Tazmania, to make an Aboriginal Islamic empire. Just so you all know.

EDIT: W.T.F is with the religion spam? I'm no less opinionated than any of you, but seriously...

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Maybe I need to define the religions here: Atheism- There is/are no god(s), and I firmly believe this. Agnosticism- I don't really worry too much about it, there might or might not be gods.

Worrying about it and making a strong stand makes atheism a religion, a religion that involves the worship of one supreme thing: logic.

Yes I'll do it tommorow. I need to study for a Canadian history test now(Canada has a history?)...

Yes, but it's not very interesting. What sort of history? Exploration? Colonization? Up until confederation in 1867, or more modern things like the northwest rebellion and the expansion of Canada?

Or is it all just mashed into one big topic:

Cause here's Canada's history from my, a Canadian's, perspective, in fairly brief form:

A few explorers find it, try to find passage to the orient and ultimately fail. French and English vie for control, English ultimately win, french banished to the Maritimes and Quebec. Americans try to invade in the war of 1812, (not really a war to be honest), couple of politicians approach England for increased autonomy, and get it without too much trouble.

Canada expands, lots of Chinese are brought in to help build a railroad through the Rockies, then not paid. The Metis (french/native people) try to get their own nation, but fail.

Canada a minor player as a British subordinate in WW1, and have a slightly more important role in WW2, participating most famously in the D-Day landings, on Juno and Gold beaches I believe.

In the coldwar era, idiot Prime Minister John Diefenbaker cancels the Avro Arrow, the most advanced jetfighter ever developed. Canadians like me stamp and spit on his grave.

Quebec repeatedly tries to become independent, and repeatedly fails.

1990- Lord_Iggy is born, the world is never the same again. Make sure to not forget that part.

Canada, ruled by brits, then werent ruled by brits. They make some good syrup, the end.

This works too.

To make this not totally OOC:

Good luck to you as well Stormbringer.

 

[Thlayli]

Yes, good luck Storm. May the best plan win!

A few quotes that won't ruin much...

“We looked to the sky, and saw two balloons, painted silver and blue. As the men in camp looked up at the great things, it seemed that it was snowing. But it wasn’t snow, on the contrary the camp was being covered in hundreds of small, white leaflets.”

-James Carroll, Diary of a Federate Officer


"The Twenty were French, contrary to popular opinion, and not Persian. Though, they were Persian trained. In addition, there were actually twenty-six of them, according to most sources. The coverup following the events in London was such that most of the actual details were blotted out."

-Khalid Hamdallah, A History of Espionage

 

[Disenfrancised]

"The Twenty were French, contrary to popular opinion, and not Persian. Though, they were Persian trained. In addition, there were actually twenty-six of them, according to most sources. The coverup following the events in London was such that most of the actual details were blotted out."

-Khalid Hamdallah, A History of Espionage

OOC
You do realise that if you have a attack planned in London, or even worse the king, if its successful then the FK will have response rather similar to what America had to 9/11 *about a million. There will be no compromise, no peace, you will be wiped from the map.

Just saying is all

 

[das]

Maybe I was over-optimistic about no problems with the update schedule, but whatever, am working on it now...

 

[das]

Oh, and "god" is a typo (wherever that word appears). Replace the letter "g" with "m", and you get the true state of things in the universe.

EDIT: As for the Canadian history, I do agree with Iggy, its alittle boring in the real world. How much unlike, say, NES2 III...

 

[Israelite9191]

My long speech on Atheism, Agnosticism, and religion. I should really be saving these for future religion classeses...

Spoiler :

Even though I am a lurker and das will surely kill my chances of joining as *classified information, not for NESers eyes* after the update, I feel I should give a small bit of my opinion on the subject coming from a deeply, but liberaly, religious point of view, also that of someone who follows an inherently non-evangelistic (yes there are inherently non-evangelistic religions, see Judaism, Shinto, Vodun, other culturally/nationally linked religions, and some Unitarianism/Universalism). Oh, and I go to a Jesuit highschool, so a lot of stuff about religion, theology, and philosphy.

First, definitions of Atheism, Agnosticism, and religion. Atheism is the belief in an absence of a deity. Agnosticism is a complex term that is often oversimplified and really means, in an oversimplified maner, an undefined belief in a deity. Religion means an organized belief system, the degree of organization can be very loose (see Unitarianism/Universalism, Neopaganism, Vodun, etc.). What is important to note is that there are religions that are Atheist and/or Agnostic. Budhism has no defined teaching on a deity/ies, making it Agnostic. However, there are some branches of Budhism that teach there is no deity whatsoever, making Budhism to some extent Atheist. Uniteriansim/Universalism (I'm just going to use Unitarianism here on out) has no defined teaching whatsoever on the manner of deity, Unitarians may even be atheist and still be devout (my best friend is Unitarian, so I know a lot about Unitarianism). However, some Unitarianism, in particular Polish and East European Unitiarianism believes in either a) one G-d based on the Judeo-Christian (mainly Christian) tradition or b)an undefiened version of G-d (Agnosticism). As can be seen, Atheism is not the opposite of Religion, but merely a theological concept about the nature of the divine, as is Agnosticism.

As a deeply devout Jew, I believe in one G-d who created heaven and earth (through evolution and natural science, as all or something similar to 99% of Jews believe), created the Jewish people through Abraham and Sarah and the patriarchs and matriarchs, guided the Jewish people, delivered the Torah and has a present hand in human history. However, I do not believe that alll other religions are illegitamate. This is both a Jewish belief (see G-d's statement that the Torah is a covenant for the Children of Israel, he did not say the world, meaning that Jews are burdened with upholding the Torah while other peoples are not) and a personal belief I have developed. I personally believe that G-d reveals himself to different peoples (as well as different people) in different times and places in the way best for the people (or person). Judaism, in my belief, is the truest for of G-d's revelation to man, but not the single form or entirely true. I believe he revealed things through al the different peoples at different times. My beliefs are summed up in the Hindu teaching "all faiths are merely different paths to the one goal." Furthermore, I do not believe that atheism (in this case as opposed to religion) is inherently wrong. If people act in a good way and respect the rights of others, than they are enacting G-d's message.

As you can tell, I see no reason to disavow Atheism as illegitamate. Furthermore, my main point is that Atheism, Agnosticism, and religion as theological and philosophical terms are extremely misused and abused extremely often. First, the proposed definition of religion as having to have doctrines, central followings, rituals, and evangelical qualities. Well, first doctrine. Neopaganism is a religious movement or religion that is very loosely defined in doctrinal aspects. I have found in my somewhat intensive research of Neopaganism two sources and only two soruces among the thousands out there that procure some sor to doctrine, all of them differing. First is the Wiccan Reed (Wicca is really different from Neopagansim but gets clumped together with it, so for the sake of simple argumentatino, I will put it with Neopaganism). The Wiccan Reed is a general overview of doctrine, most of it focuses on ettiquite when practicing rituals. It also applies only to Wicca, it does not seek to be a Neopagan doctrinal guide. The second is Ar nDraiocht Fein, a Indo-European (mainly Celtic) reconstructionist Neopagan "church." They are the most extensive Neopagan (since Wicca is not Neopaganism) group in the US (home to the larges amount of Neopagans) and the fastest growing in the world. They do contain a charter and some basic beliefs, but the only central, "divine," and un-deniable truth they claim is Arch Druidic falibility. They do teach that they believe reconstruction of pre-Christian beliefs to be the best and true way to reach the divine, but they give very little in the way of doctrine. Remember, these are two sources, one of which is not even Neopaganism, among thousands, or even hundreds of thousands. Neopagan movements exist in nearly every Western country and many Easter Countries as well, for only two to have created a set doctrine shows the ability for no set doctrine to exist and yet a religion to exist. As for a "central following" this is a rather ambiguous term. If a culture group is what is meant, then Christianity is an easy example of the fallacy of this statement. There is no one central group, or even heirarchy, in Christianity. Poly-ethnic Mormons and Catholics, nationally and ethnically diverse Anglican Comunion takers, widespread Lutherans, culturally, ethnically, and geographically disimillar Barptists, among others proves the fallacy of the statement that religion must have a central following. Also, pure Atheism has a larger focal point than most religions, Atheists tend to be uper-class, young, and white (of course the last part in particular does not hold entirely true). Rituals, too, are not a requirement. Many Budhist sects, as well as Unitarianism/Universalism among other faiths, do not have rituals. They focus instead on individual practice, what people do to better themselves spiritually and physically. As for evangelical qualities, this is the most absurd one. As already stated, Judaism, Vodun, Shinto, and many others have no evangelistic tendencies whatsoever. Judaism even forbids the act of prosteletizing among non-Jews, with non-Jews who do chose on their own to convert having to be refused a certain number of times. This statement of religion requiring evangelism, which I find more present in pure Atheism than in any other religion save Christianity. As for Atheism, there are Budhist monks who would deny the existence of G-d with as much vigor as some of the more evangelistic Atheists on these forums, but they would still defend the principles of reincarnation, karma, dharma, and other religious principles as vigorously as the religious fundamentalists on these forums. Are they Atheists? Are they religious? Yes and yes. Furthermore, there are Unitarians who would profess heaven, the soul, the afterlife, and other religious values but still say the existence of G-d is undefinable, or even non-existant. Are they religious? Are they Agnostic? Yes and yes. Atheism, Agnosticism, religion, and yes, existentialism (my father majored in existentialism, in particular Franco-German philosophers all the way up to PhD level and his disertation, but gave up on learning German for it, so he has passed a good bit of existentialist philosophy on to me) are not oposing forces. They are all legitamate theological and philosophical idealogies that complement each other. So, yes, in a sense Atheism is a religion, just as Judaism, or Christianity, or Budhism, or Neopaganism, or Vodun, or any number of things. I hope that this has helped.

So I don't get rammed for thread-jacking/spamming, my first declaration (pre-official sigining up) o fhte game. Slipped to consulates secretely by various birds of prey. The classifieds will be removed eventually.

IC:
*Classified* *classified* *classified* of *classified* condemns the governments of *classified* *classified*. They have *classified* the *classified* *classified* of *classified*. It is the duty of *classified* *classifed* *classified* to right these wrongs in this world. The Black Sea will be stained red with blood, the blue Danube will be grey with the bodies of the *classified* *classified*. All shall *classified* to the *classified* and *classified* *classified* of the *classified* *classified*. *Classified* e Thanatos!

Signed,
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*Classified* *Classified* of *Classified*

OOC: Figure out the classifieds and you win a prize.

EDIT: As for Canadian history, the Alaskan/Yukon Gold Rush, the War of 1812, and Quebec are the only really interesting parts. Come to think of it, none of them are actually Canadian, either American, British, and/or Quebecois.

 

[1889]

As an Alaskan, the 1997 blockade of our state ferry by angry Canadian fisherman was pretty interesting. You'd have though we were on the brink of war the way some people talked about it here.

the 1918 Canadian invasion of Russia is also pretty weird, but that wasn't really "Canada" alone.

 

[ThomAnder]

1972 Hockey Match between Canada and Soviet Union!!!!!!!!!!

 

[das]

OOC: Figure out the classifieds and you win a prize.

Can I try?

And Israelite, not sure whether Atheism could qualify as a religion. IMHO it is but a philosophy, whereas a real religion is a philosophy based on a belief in the supernatural (or, at least, that's the first definition that comes to mind).

through evolution and natural science, as all or something similar to 99% of Jews believe

Um, no. The majority - not overwhelming, but still majority - of Israelites I asked don't believe in that, though most Russian Jews I know do (but then, the ones I associate with are mostly atheistic).

Oh, and, the purpose of this post - check the vacation thread, please.

 

[Thlayli]

Das, I hope you recover soon.

What exactly is wrong?

 

[Dachs]

A few quotes that won't ruin much...

Oh, no, that History of Espionage quote doesn't give away anything at all...

 

[Disenfrancised]

Oh, and, the purpose of this post - check the vacation thread, please.

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Hope you get better soon, you young whippersnappers heal in days anyway . What actually is wrong with you?

 

[andis-1]

!

Hope you get better soon, you young whippersnappers heal in days anyway . What actually is wrong with you?

His every bone was crushed by a lorry which ran over him at speed of 100 miles per hour. Luckily he survived, and used common code-language know by the polar bears saying that "he lost his short-time memory", thus avoiding public hysteria.

 

[Insane_Panda]

Puuuwwrraiiissee Gaawwd fur Vitttoryyy!

 

[Kozmos]

Save often when you work on the update.If you work it because you have been hit by a car and that hurts(I know).Did it look something like this?

 

[Lord_Iggy]

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You do realise that if you have a attack planned in London, or even worse the king, if its successful then the FK will have response rather similar to what America had to 9/11 *about a million. There will be no compromise, no peace, you will be wiped from the map.

&Dis- No, attacking politicians is old-style terrorism, and it doesn't create as furious a reaction among the public.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

But there is still now no turning back for the armies in the middle east.


Edits:

Furthermore, I do not believe that atheism (in this case as opposed to religion) is inherently wrong. If people act in a good way and respect the rights of others, than they are enacting G-d's message.

I was referring to aggressive atheists, like the ones in the news who insisted that burial crosses on the side of the highway had to be removed because they were 'forcing religion' upon them.

EDIT: As for Canadian history, the Alaskan/Yukon Gold Rush, the War of 1812, and Quebec are the only really interesting parts. Come to think of it, none of them are actually Canadian, either American, British, and/or Quebecois.

The gold rush was not Alaskan. People arrived in Dyea and Skagway, went up the Chilkoot or White Pass trails, and from then on they were in the Yukon (actually, they had to go through northern BC to get to the Yukon, but not far). Although the Yukon was still part of the Northwest Territories at the time.

Heheh, Dawson City was the largest canadian city west of Winnipeg for about a decade.