New Civ - The Confederate States of America

PART ONE:

They banned the import of slaves into the Confederacy. Not the practice of slavery. See my point further below.

Nope, the Confederacy did out law and ban slavery in 1865, read this book, I just did a discussion on this last week while visiting the University of South Carolina.

http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/ge...lWarReconstruction/?view=usa&ci=9780195147629

Also the CSA was a Confederacy, thus the central government did not have the authority to enforce any law upholding slavery, thus the Confederate States of Louisiana, Florida, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Georgia all had freed there slaves at different points prior to 1865, and all of the remaining Slave holding States then free there slaves in 1865.
Yet again take a good long hard look at this picture, which was taken in 1861, they are Black Confederate Troops from Louisiana.

Sorry, I cut the next few points because I never stated that the Union fought with the purpose of eliminating slavery. I do believe this is the case in some measure, but not out of benevolence or recognition of rights for slaves.

You see this is the "hole" in your logic, you can not skip over the fact that the Union did not fight the war to abolish slavery, after all this is the context of recorded history. All of the incorrect texts teach that the righteous Union fought the evil Confederacy to free the poor Black slaves in the South, this is a bold face lie, and a huge chunk of re constructionist propaganda.

Also I will take this statement, "but not out of benevolence or recognition of rights for slaves", that you do agree and recognize the fact, that the Union (minus the tiny abolishment movement in the North) did not fight to wipe out slavery, lets move on to the next one.


Several states identified a threat to slaveholders' rights as a factor in secession in formal declarations. True or false?

Alabama's Ordinence of Secession contains the following:

"...it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent Government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States"

And Texas:

"WHEREAS, The recent developments in Federal affairs make it evident that the power of the Federal Government is sought to be made a weapon with which to strike down the interests and property of the people of Texas, and her sister slave-holding States, instead of permitting it to be, as was intended, our shield against outrage and aggression"

And Virginia:

"...and the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States"

So yes, several states identify the issue of slavery in their ordinences of secession.

No you are wrong, I have personally just re-read all of the ordinances including the ordinance for the Arizona Territory and added them up only the above 3 states listed "the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States" as a reason for secession.

Also you grossly misinterpreted the dialog of "Oppression of Southern slave-holding States" and assume that these States are implying to the institution of Slavery, when in fact they are referring to the issue of transporting slaves and goods to the territories of Kansas, Oklahoma and else where free of the interference of the Federal Government in the same manor that Northern States could do and were doing, these statements have nothing to do with Slavery and everything to do with Nullification and the Northern abusive taxation of the South.

The "States' Rights" debate cut across the issues. Southerners argued that the federal government was strictly limited and could not abridge the rights of states as reserved in Amendment X, and so had no power to prevent slaves from being carried into new territories, etc.

President Jefferson Davis believed that the states' rights theory protected the rights of the minority against a tyrannical majority of Northerners. Jefferson Davis said that a "disparaging discrimination" and a fight for "liberty" against "the tyranny of an unbridled majority" gave the Confederate states a right to secede.

Also back to the ordinances, where do you see 7 States that list slavery as a reason for secession, I only see 3 states, and for the record the Confederacy was comprised officially of 15 States and Territories (as listed below), and even with 3 States wording slavery into there ordinance how can you state that a minority of States controls the power of a majority of States that did not list slavery at all as a reason for succession (also listed below)?

Confederate States of America:

1.) South Carolina - 02/04/1861
2.) Mississippi - 02/04/1861
3.) Florida - 02/10/1861
4.) Alabama - 02/18/1861
5.) Georgia - 02/04/1861
6.) Louisiana - 02/04/1861
7.) Texas - 03/02/1861
8.) Virginia - 05/07/1861
9.) Arkansas - 05/18/1861
10.) North Carolina - 05/16/1861
11.) Tennessee - 06/08/1861
12.) Missouri - 10/31/1861
13.) Kentucky - 12/10/1861
14.) Arizona Territory - 02/14/1862
15.) Maryland - 05/08/1861 *Never allowed to succeed, the Union arrested the state government before the ordinance could be put to a vote.

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Florida:

We, the people of the State of Florida, in convention assembled, do solemnly ordain, publish, and declare, That the State of Florida hereby withdraws herself from the confederacy of States existing under the name of the United States of America and from the existing Government of the said States; and that all political connection between her and the Government of said States ought to be, and the same is hereby, totally annulled, and said Union of States dissolved; and the State of Florida is hereby declared a sovereign and independent nation; and that all ordinances heretofore adopted, in so far as they create or recognize said Union, are rescinded; and all laws or parts of laws in force in this State, in so far as they recognize or assent to said Union, be, and they are hereby, repealed.

Passed 10 Jan 1861


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Louisiana:

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of Louisiana and other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."

We, the people of the State of Louisiana, in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance passed by us in convention on the 22d day of November, in the year eighteen hundred and eleven, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America and the amendments of the said Constitution were adopted, and all laws and ordinances by which the State of Louisiana became a member of the Federal Union, be, and the same are hereby, repealed and abrogated; and that the union now subsisting between Louisiana and other States under the name of "The United States of America" is hereby dissolved.

We do further declare and ordain, That the State of Louisiana hereby resumes all rights and powers heretofore delegated to the Government of the United States of America; that her citizens are absolved from all allegiance to said Government; and that she is in full possession and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which appertain to a free and independent State.

We do further declare and ordain, That all rights acquired and vested under the Constitution of the United States, or any act of Congress, or treaty, or under any law of this State, and not incompatible with this ordinance, shall remain in force and have the same effect as if this ordinance had not been passed.

Adopted in convention at Baton Rouge this 26th day of January, 1861.


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ARKANSAS:

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union now existing between the State of Arkansas and the other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."

Whereas, in addition to the well-founded causes of complaint set forth by this convention, in resolutions adopted on the 11th of March, A.D. 1861, against the sectional party now in power in Washington City, headed by Abraham Lincoln, he has, in the face of resolutions passed by this convention pledging the State of Arkansas to resist to the last extremity any attempt on the part of such power to coerce any State that had seceded from the old Union, proclaimed to the world that war should be waged against such States until they should be compelled to submit to their rule, and large forces to accomplish this have by this same power been called out, and are now being marshaled to carry out this inhuman design; and to longer submit to such rule, or remain in the old Union of the United States, would be disgraceful and ruinous to the State of Arkansas:

Therefore we, the people of the State of Arkansas, in convention assembled, do hereby declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the "ordinance and acceptance of compact" passed and approved by the General Assembly of the State of Arkansas on the 18th day of October, A.D. 1836, whereby it was by said General Assembly ordained that by virtue of the authority vested in said General Assembly by the provisions of the ordinance adopted by the convention of delegates assembled at Little Rock for the purpose of forming a constitution and system of government for said State, the propositions set forth in "An act supplementary to an act entitled 'An act for the admission of the State of Arkansas into the Union, and to provide for the due execution of the laws of the United States within the same, and for other purposes,'" were freely accepted, ratified, and irrevocably confirmed, articles of compact and union between the State of Arkansas and the United States, and all other laws and every other law and ordinance, whereby the State of Arkansas became a member of the Federal Union, be, and the same are hereby, in all respects and for every purpose herewith consistent, repealed, abrogated, and fully set aside; and the union now subsisting between the State of Arkansas and the other States, under the name of the United States of America, is hereby forever dissolved.

And we do further hereby declare and ordain, That the State of Arkansas hereby resumes to herself all rights and powers heretofore delegated to the Government of the United States of America; that her citizens are absolved from all allegiance to said Government of the United States, and that she is in full possession and exercise of all the rights and sovereignty which appertain to a free and independent State.

We do further ordain and declare, That all rights acquired and vested under the Constitution of the United States of America, or of any act or acts of Congress, or treaty, or under any law of this State, and not incompatible with this ordinance, shall remain in full force and effect, in nowise altered or impaired, and have the same effect as if this ordinance had not been passed.

Adopted and passed in open convention on the 6th day of May, A.D. 1861.


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GEORGIA:

We the people of the State of Georgia in Convention assembled do declare and ordain and it is hereby declared and ordained that the ordinance adopted by the State of Georgia in convention on the 2nd day of Jany. in the year of our Lord seventeen hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the constitution of the United States of America was assented to, ratified and adopted, and also all acts and parts of acts of the general assembly of this State, ratifying and adopting amendments to said constitution, are hereby repealed, rescinded and abrogated.

We do further declare and ordain that the union now existing between the State of Georgia and other States under the name of the United States of America is hereby dissolved, and that the State of Georgia is in full possession and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.

Passed January 19, 1861.


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KENTUCKY:

Whereas, the Federal Constitution, which created the Government of the United States, was declared by the framers thereof to be the supreme law of the land, and was intended to limit and did expressly limit the powers of said Government to certain general specified purposes, and did expressly reserve to the States and people all other powers whatever, and the President and Congress have treated this supreme law of the Union with contempt and usurped to themselves the power to interfere with the rights and liberties of the States and the people against the expressed provisions of the Constitution, and have thus substituted for the highest forms of national liberty and constitutional government a central despotism founded upon the ignorant prejudices of the masses of Northern society, and instead of giving protection with the Constitution to the people of fifteen States of this Union have turned loose upon them the unrestrained and raging passions of mobs and fanatics, and because we now seek to hold our liberties, our property, our homes, and our families under the protection of the reserved powers of the States, have blockaded our ports, invaded our soil, and waged war upon our people for the purpose of subjugating us to their will; and

Whereas, our honor and our duty to posterity demand that we shall not relinquish our own liberty and shall not abandon the right of our descendants and the world to the inestimable blessings of constitutional government: Therefore,

Be it ordained, That we do hereby forever sever our connection with the Government of the United States, and in the name of the people we do hereby declare Kentucky to be a free and independent State, clothed with all power to fix her own destiny and to secure her own rights and liberties.

And whereas, the majority of the Legislature of Kentucky have violated their most solemn pledges made before the election, and deceived and betrayed the people; have abandoned the position of neutrality assumed by themselves and the people, and invited into the State the organized armies of Lincoln; have abdicated the Government in favor of a military despotism which they have placed around themselves, but cannot control, and have abandoned the duty of shielding the citizen with their protection; have thrown upon our people and the State the horrors and ravages of war, instead of attempting to preserve the peace, and have voted men and money for the war waged by the North for the destruction of our constitutional rights; have violated the expressed words of the constitution by borrowing five millions of money for the support of the war without a vote of the people; have permitted the arrest and imprisonment of our citizens, and transferred the constitutional prerogatives of the Executive to a military commission of partisans; have seen the writ of habeus corpus suspended without an effort for its preservation, and permitted our people to be driven in exile from their homes; have subjected our property to confiscation and our persons to confinement in the penitentiary as felons, because we may choose to take part in a cause for civil liberty and constitutional government against a sectional majority waging war against the people and institutions of fifteen independent States of the old Federal Union, and have done all these things deliberately against the warnings and vetoes of the Governor and the solemn remonstrances of the minority in the Senate and House of Representatives: Therefore,

Be it further ordained, That the unconstitutional edicts of a factious majority of a Legislature thus false to their pledges, their honor, and their interests are not law, and that such a government is unworthy of the support of a brave and free people, and that we do therefore declare that the people are thereby absolved from all allegiance to said government, and that they have a right to establish any government which to them may seem best adapted to the preservation of their rights and liberties.

[adopted 20 Nov 1861, by a "Convention of the People of Kentucky"]


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MISSOURI

An act declaring the political ties heretofore existing between the State of Missouri and the United States of America dissolved.

Whereas the Government of the United States, in the possession and under the control of a sectional party, has wantonly violated the compact originally made between said Government and the State of Missouri, by invading with hostile armies the soil of the State, attacking and making prisoners the militia while legally assembled under the State laws, forcibly occupying the State capitol, and attempting through the instrumentality of domestic traitors to usurp the State government, seizing and destroying private property, and murdering with fiendish malignity peaceable citizens, men, women, and children, together with other acts of atrocity, indicating a deep-settled hostility toward the people of Missouri and their institutions; and

Whereas the present Administration of the Government of the United States has utterly ignored the Constitution, subverted the Government as constructed and intended by its makers, and established a despotic and arbitrary power instead thereof: Now, therefore,

Be it enacted by the general assembly of the State of Missouri, That all political ties of every character new existing between the Government of the United States of America and the people and government of the State of Missouri are hereby dissolved, and the State of Missouri, resuming the sovereignty granted by compact to the said United States upon admission of said State into the Federal Union, does again take its place as a free and independent republic amongst the nations of the earth.

This act to take effect and be in force from and after its passage.

Approved by the Missouri Legislature on October 31, 1861.


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MISSISSIPPI:

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of Mississippi and other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."

The people of the State of Mississippi, in convention assembled, do ordain and declare, and it is hereby ordained and declared, as follows, to wit:

Section 1. That all the laws and ordinances by which the said State of Mississippi became a member of the Federal Union of the United States of America be, and the same are hereby, repealed, and that all obligations on the part of the said State or the people thereof to observe the same be withdrawn, and that the said State doth hereby resume all the rights, functions, and powers which by any of said laws or ordinances were conveyed to the Government of the said United States, and is absolved from all the obligations, restraints, and duties incurred to the said Federal Union, and shall from henceforth be a free, sovereign, and independent State.

Sec. 2. That so much of the first section of the seventh article of the constitution of this State as requires members of the Legislature and all officers, executive and judicial, to take an oath or affirmation to support the Constitution of the United States be, and the same is hereby, abrogated and annulled.

Sec. 3. That all rights acquired and vested under the Constitution of the United States, or under any act of Congress passed, or treaty made, in pursuance thereof, or under any law of this State, and not incompatible with this ordinance, shall remain in force and have the same effect as if this ordinance had not been passed.

Sec. 4. That the people of the State of Mississippi hereby consent to form a federal union with such of the States as may have seceded or may secede from the Union of the United States of America, upon the basis of the present Constitution of the said United States, except such parts thereof as embrace other portions than such seceding States.

Thus ordained and declared in convention the 9th day of January, in the year of our Lord 1861.


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NORTH CAROLINA:

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of North Carolina and the other States united with her, under the compact of government entitled "The Constitution of the United States."

We, the people of the State of North Carolina in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by the State of North Carolina in the convention of 1789, whereby the Constitution of the United States was ratified and adopted, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly ratifying and adopting amendments to the said Constitution, are hereby repealed, rescinded, and abrogated.

We do further declare and ordain, That the union now subsisting between the State of North Carolina and the other States, under the title of the United States of America, is hereby dissolved, and that the State of North Carolina is in full possession and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.

Done in convention at the city of Raleigh, this the 20th day of May, in the year of our Lord 1861, and in the eighty-fifth year of the independence of said State.


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SOUTH CAROLINA:

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of South Carolina and other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."

We, the people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by us in convention on the twenty-third day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying amendments of the said Constitution, are hereby repealed; and that the union now subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name of the "United States of America," is hereby dissolved.

Done at Charleston the twentieth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty.


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TENNESSEE:

DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND ORDINANCE dissolving the federal relations between the State of Tennessee and the United States of America.

First. We, the people of the State of Tennessee, waiving any expression of opinion as to the abstract doctrine of secession, but asserting the right, as a free and independent people, to alter, reform, or abolish our form of government in such manner as we think proper, do ordain and declare that all the laws and ordinances by which the State of Tennessee became a member of the Federal Union of the United States of America are hereby abrogated and annulled, and that all the rights, functions, and powers which by any of said laws and ordinances were conveyed to the Government of the United States, and to absolve ourselves from all the obligations, restraints, and duties incurred thereto; and do hereby henceforth become a free, sovereign, and independent State.

Second. We furthermore declare and ordain that article 10, sections 1 and 2, of the constitution of the State of Tennessee, which requires members of the General Assembly and all officers, civil and military, to take an oath to support the Constitution of the United States be, and the same are hereby, abrogated and annulled, and all parts of the constitution of the State of Tennessee making citizenship of the United States a qualification for office and recognizing the Constitution of the United States as the supreme law of this State are in like manner abrogated and annulled.

Third. We furthermore ordain and declare that all rights acquired and vested under the Constitution of the United States, or under any act of Congress passed in pursuance thereof, or under any laws of this State, and not incompatible with this ordinance, shall remain in force and have the same effect as if this ordinance had not been passed.


[sent to referendum 6 May 1861 by the legislature, and approved by the voters by a vote of 104,471 to 47,183 on 8 June 1861]


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ARIZONA TERRITORY: (Was unable to locate ordinance)

After the start of the American Civil War, support for the Confederacy was strong in the southern part of the New Mexico Territory, largely due to its neglect by the United States government.

In March, 1861, the citizens of Mesilla, New Mexico convened a secession convention to separate themselves from the United States and join the Confederate States of America. On March 16th the convention adopted a secession ordinance citing the region's common interests and geography with the Confederacy, the need of frontier protection, and the loss of postal service routes under the United States government as reasons for their separation.
The ordinance proposed the question of secession to the western portions of the territory, and on March 28th a second convention in present day Tucson, Arizona also met and ratified the ordinance. The conventions subsequently established a provisional territorial government for the Confederate "Territory of Arizona."

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You were wrong on these facts as well, on to the next point.

[SEE PART TWO]
 
[PART TWO]

How is this supportive of any point regarding the south's position on slavery?

What you don't consider the fact that Black's were free to establish there own armed militias, own property, and be an equal to the White man a milestone in American history, and relevant to debunk the false assertion that the CSA only existed to enslave the Black Race?

The existence of free and armed Black Confederate troops in the year 1861 is proof enough to turn your entire argument on its ear, here take another look, they are Black Confederate troops, led by a Black Captain. On the other side the Union refused to arm Blacks until they were unable to replenish their ranks with White men, and even after they forced Blacks into the Union army they were led by a White commander, not a Black one. Also the so called Buffalo Solders were not free men like their Confederate counterparts were, thus the Union forced slaves to fight in the war the South did not. This is yet another flaw in your logic.


Again, they banned the import of slaves into the Confederacy. Not the practice of slavery.

AGAIN, I will repeat myself, the Confederacy did out law and ban slavery in 1865, read this book, I just did a discussion on this last week while visiting the University of South Carolina.

http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/ge...lWarReconstruction/?view=usa&ci=9780195147629

Also the CSA was a Confederacy, thus the central government did not have the authority to enforce any law upholding slavery, thus the Confederate States of Louisiana, Florida, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Georgia all had freed there slaves at different points prior to 1865, and all of the remaining Slave holding States then free there slaves in 1865.
Yet again take a good long hard look at this picture, which was taken in 1861, they are Black Confederate Troops from Louisiana.

1stlanativeguard.jpg


The Confederate States Constitution contains the follow clause, true or false?

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed [by Congress]"

This is where the argument should end with regard to the CSA's position on slavery.

AGAIN - the CSA was a Confederacy, thus the central government did not have the authority to enforce any law upholding slavery, thus the Confederate States of Louisiana, Florida, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Georgia all had freed there slaves at different points prior to 1865, and all of the remaining Slave holding States then free there slaves in 1865.
Yet again take a good long hard look at this picture, which was taken in 1861, they are Black Confederate Troops from Louisiana.

http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/ge...lWarReconstruction/?view=usa&ci=9780195147629

If you were right then the above picture should not exist, nor should the other 65,000 (estimated) Free Black troops whom fought and died before 1865.


As for the KKK, that is pure speculation. Racism and organized opposition didn't appear all of a sudden after the Civil War and didn't disappear in the years to follow. And it certainly wasn't absent in the Union.

This is not speculation, if you have listened to the dissertation by Dr. James F. Hampton from the University of Oxford (England), he has declared that the Confederacy much like the religion of Islam, has been hijacked by radical extremists whom have bastardized the symbolic meaning to harvest new memberships and give credence to their own hate filled beliefs, thus if you tell the truth about the Confederacy, embrace it like many African American have been doing in the South, then the KKK will die off.

For example in Mississippi, where the good Walter Williams hails from, his movement to educate Black Mississippians has resulted in a membership drop in the KKK ranks to the point where they have been forced to liquidate all of their assets in Mississippi and leave the state. The only KKK presence in Mississippi is confined to private residencies. You don't consider this a huge jump?

I'm Canadian, not American. Whatever issues exist in the US school system re: this issue has not affected me. That isn't to say that the Canadian system isn't in need of an overhaul, but the "government feeding me lies" isn't a factor.

Well if you are taught that the Confederacy fought to uphold slavery then you are being feed lies, just like we are here in the States.

You've got one up on me. I've got an Honours Bachelor in History. But I think it's well enough to be able to recognize that slavery in the south wasn't going away after secession - not according to several seceding states, not according to the CSA constitution.

My friend, again, I'm not attacking you, just trying to correct this absurd assumption about the Confederacy. Also you need to study up on the "Civil War" some more, the CSA consisted of 15 States and Territories not 7, and only 3 listed slavery as a reason for succession, which is not the majority and can not be representative of the whole.

Also again, the CSA was an ABSOLUTE Confederacy, where the Central Government had very little control to enforce anything, slavery was no different, which is why Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, and Tennessee all had Free Black troops as early as 1861, and the CSA did free all of the slaves in 1865, I have a copy of the 1865 Confederate Emancipation, signed by Jefferson Davis, on my office wall.

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u kno where i can goto read that???

Also... Ten Cent Bill Yope. Bill Yope was the first Black Confederate Soldier to be buried with the White Soldiers. He was highly respected and was a true confederate.
 
u kno where i can goto read that???

What where you interested in reading, the book, article, etc.

Hey again, I'm not trying to be a turd about this, I'm sorry if I have come off pretty strong, but I have spent the past 11 years of my life doing nothing but reading, studying, and researching the "Civil War" period and the Confederacy / Union / global stances, beliefs, what not. Also to make matters worse this is my job, I tour the country side lecturing to various universities and hope to write a book about this egregious historical error.

:goodjob:
 
The confederate Emancipation that was signed by JD

I love the war for southern independence. Whats interesting is, I was always told in school southerners were all abusive slave owners and continue to be nothign but racist today and it kind of confused me when Id head down thereto visit with my family only to learn the opposite.

A book I read when I really started studying the civil war was "The South Was Right" and then the "Myths of American Slavery" then "What If the South had won the civil war"

But anyway, where can I read a copy of the Confederate Emancipation that President JD signed because I'm interested in reading it.
 
But anyway, where can I read a copy of the Confederate Emancipation that President JD signed because I'm interested in reading it.

The only place that you can actually read this very hard to find item is if you can get your hands on "Confederate Emancipation" by Bruce Levine.

http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/ge...lWarReconstruction/?view=usa&ci=9780195147629

Otherwise you can dig through the National Archives in Washington D.C. like I did for the better part of a year to get my copy of the "Holy Grail" of Civil War documents.
 
The only place that you can actually read this very hard to find item is if you can get your hands on "Confederate Emancipation" by Bruce Levine.

http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/ge...lWarReconstruction/?view=usa&ci=9780195147629

Otherwise you can dig through the National Archives in Washington D.C. like I did for the better part of a year to get my copy of the "Holy Grail" of Civil War documents.
The US constitution , along with the Articles of confederation were very clear that all states were obligated to assist South Carolina from acts of war in Charleston. There was nothing civil about acts of piracy and were to be considerd foriegn invaders.
 
Hey again, I'm not trying to be a turd about this, I'm sorry if I have come off pretty strong, but I have spent the past 11 years of my life doing nothing but reading, studying, and researching the "Civil War" period and the Confederacy / Union / global stances, beliefs, what not. Also to make matters worse this is my job, I tour the country side lecturing to various universities and hope to write a book about this egregious historical error.
Sir..
I'm happy to see someone who knows the truth for a change! I am of southern decent myself and have been "educated" on some of these facts by my father and grandfather from stories, family history,research, and such.
You back alot of what I've learned and been told up with your posts, and I think people should read the history from more than one sorce before they make a stand about what the truth may or may not be regarding Confederate history.
Thank you for the enlightenment ;) .
 
As a citizen of Charleston, SC I would say that as a UU you should have Confederate Calavery. Everyone knows that us confeds were better riders and shoters. the only reason we lost the war was because we couldn't eat cotton.
 
I am relieved to see that the ranters have lost their nerve to participate in the discussion in this topic. I have gotten my fill of those people from other places.

Anyway, has the unit been decided on yet? I suggest that the rifleman be replaced with a frontiersman unit. The reason for this is because while everyone used cavalry in that era, no one could match the accuracy of the Confederate Soldier the average soldier grew up hunting small game for food. As an example, anyone else aware of the Union general that was insulting the accuracy of the Confederate soldier only to have his sentence cut off by a bullet going into his head that was shot from almost a mile away? The reason why this is so stunning is because given the poor accuracy of the guns of the day, this feat being done by anyone but a crack shot was almost unheard of. Also in the Tales of the Gun series produced by the NRA it was mentioned that the accuracy of the average Confederate soldier was much better than his Union counterpart, resulting in much higher Union casualties than Confederate Casualties. I also got the impression that the Confederate soldiers accuracy was rivaled by only that of the elite Greenshirts of the Union military.

While the Confederate cavalry was very effective, regiments were not that widespread in the south. Sharpshooting frontiersman on the other hand were considered the norm. Therefore I believe that frontiersman would be more representative of the CSA than cavalry would.

I recommend that the unit be given Tactics (30% withdrawal chance) to reflect the ability of the Confederate soldier to make effective use of his surrounding terrain and Combat I (10% strength) to reflect the Confederate soldiers accuracy.

As for the Unique building if it hasn't been suggested yet, perhaps a Merchant Post (the name trading post was already taken by the Viking empire) would be a good fit. It would replace the market place. The Merchant Post's traits would be +45% city income as apposed to the +25% boost the market offers (modeled on the 20% boost in income the mall offers over the supermarket); +1 happy from fur, ivory, whale, silk; +1 gold from fur, silk to reflect the importance of that type of trade in the south at the time (I would have suggested cotton instead of silk but cotton is not a resource); available with currency; free on industrial or later starts.

On a side note, when talking to a leader of the Confederacy which flag is presented in the backround? The battle flag or a national flag such as the First National?
 
I just tried to port it to BTS, but I keep getting Errors. All the code that was added into BTS and warlords was added to this Confederacy Code, and code that was removed was removed. I can't seem to get it to work.

If they had a program that could go thru and tell me the errors and hwo to fix them i'd be fine.

I may just Redo from scatch. If I do. I'll remake the UU as a Riflemen.
 
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