New Civ - The Confederate States of America
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Thrilla247
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Where exactly do I install this mod? I installed it into the Firaxis Mod folder yet when I go into the game, I cannot find the Rebels to play as. Can anyone give detailed directions on how or where to install? Thanks
I love the mod! I greatly appreciate the work put in for it, but I tend to agree that a cavalry UU or a "sharpshooter" (replace rifleman) UU would be most accurate. I also thought Lee should have an aggressive trait, simply because he is such a great general whose skill is on the battlefield. His men were odds-beaters who idolized him (except for maybe George Pickett, who blamed Lee for the disaster at Gettysburg).
I really do not want to come across as being critical. As I said before, I love the mod. I am not very good at adding them, however and relied on my adept brother-in-law to set it up for me. So if you do edit the mod and have a different UU or trait, I would love to know how I add it without messing up the original....
I really do not want to come across as being critical. As I said before, I love the mod. I am not very good at adding them, however and relied on my adept brother-in-law to set it up for me. So if you do edit the mod and have a different UU or trait, I would love to know how I add it without messing up the original....
meatwad4289
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Everytime I play as them, I win. Usualy Diplomatic(while i nthe middle of a war or 2) but I usually end up gettin ahead n techs and expanding rapidly. I always have a good supply of gold. Last game I finished, I won the Domination Victory. I controled 69.99% of population Rivals best was 9% and I controlled 58% of the Land, rivals best was 8%. I took over 3 Continents very easily. I Started Invading one, and conquered on of the 3 civs on it, and was about to take out the other two. and Invade Egypt before I was stopped by my Domination victory. I had Jefferson Davis this time, with Davis I hit economic bumps a bit at first but Slowly Built up and I ended up making 1600+ gold a turn, spending 30% on Tech and 10% on culture getting techs at 4 to 8 turns. my gold was about 30k (Kept Upgrading Troops) I was one turn away from Nukes...
I wanted to continue playing but i got bored with that game. I wanted to start a new one, but I like to Attack when i get riflemen or better. Thats when i get into the game.
I wanted to continue playing but i got bored with that game. I wanted to start a new one, but I like to Attack when i get riflemen or better. Thats when i get into the game.
i've jumped ahead, so maybe someone else mentioned this.
the biggest advantage that the Confederacy had was 2 fold. 1) OFFICERS. i can't remember exact number but somewhere between 60-80% of Army officers were southern and seceded with the CSA. see: Lee and Jackson as specifics, but the rank and file LTs were also West Point grads.
the second option for a UU would be sniper/raider. Quantrill is notorious but there was another group of Raiders that struck fear inot the Union hearts. i think it was a scottish/irish name... McClellan, M... M something's raiders i believe. anyway one of these two UUs would be better than a cannon.
the biggest advantage that the Confederacy had was 2 fold. 1) OFFICERS. i can't remember exact number but somewhere between 60-80% of Army officers were southern and seceded with the CSA. see: Lee and Jackson as specifics, but the rank and file LTs were also West Point grads.
the second option for a UU would be sniper/raider. Quantrill is notorious but there was another group of Raiders that struck fear inot the Union hearts. i think it was a scottish/irish name... McClellan, M... M something's raiders i believe. anyway one of these two UUs would be better than a cannon.
YES! Moseby. darnit i'm slow... it's been YEARS since i've delved into the Civil War. my grandfather and father are both CW buffs and my GGGF was a Sgt. for the confederates. so i have studied and learned from them most of my life... in high school i used to have to correct the teachers (what do they teach teachers in colleges these days???)! now i can't even remember a simple name. i used to go to the reenactments around MD where i'm from. i LOOOOVEEEEEDDD going to Antietam. anyway, i thought i'd throw in my .02.cairnsy44 said:
cool idea for a Mod. i wonder if since they have the American Rev Mod in the release that they'd add a Civil War mod in the XP.
http://www.vw.vccs.edu/vwhansd/HIS269/Generals/Mosby.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Mosby
to use the Gray Ghost in a game would make my year.
Clovis
Charlemagne's Grandfather
Yes, Moseby's Rangers would work well. (Give them red plumes, Moseby was a show-off!)
Or the Iron Scouts, commanded by Wade Hampton would work. Either would be cavalry units.
Someon ought to make a Union civ to match, with Lincoln and Grant as leaders.
Can ships travel up rivers at all? It would be neat if you could make gunboats for the Union, they made much use of them at Vicksburg and Richmond.
Or the Iron Scouts, commanded by Wade Hampton would work. Either would be cavalry units.
Someon ought to make a Union civ to match, with Lincoln and Grant as leaders.
Can ships travel up rivers at all? It would be neat if you could make gunboats for the Union, they made much use of them at Vicksburg and Richmond.
Bloody Bill Anderson was another one (guerilla), if I'm remembering right. Also remember that both sides had guerillas, not just the South.
I can only see Davis and Lee as possible leaders for the CSA. One as the President and the other as the military leader. Anybody else seems odd.
I can only see Davis and Lee as possible leaders for the CSA. One as the President and the other as the military leader. Anybody else seems odd.
Methos said:
i agree, although maybe a scripted "Great People" mod for the other leaders? same for a Union Mod.
i think there is a "Gream Military Leaders" mod on the board somewhere, maybe edit it to get Generals like Stone Wall Jackson and J.E.B. Stuart or Tecumseh Sherman or Burnside
I know it may be a little late but the South has always been notoriously Democratic, however their Democrats were more conservative than most.
Another idea for a cav could be like Hood's Brigade or not and you could just give them guerilla and woodsman promotions.
Another idea for a cav could be like Hood's Brigade or not and you could just give them guerilla and woodsman promotions.
Thasis
Warlord
THIS IS AWSOME! I'm always a fan of playing the badguys and this just works well. This is the best thing next to... Darth Vader!
meatwad4289
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Thasis said:
WTH? The bad guys? Man some body needs to have a history lesson.
Alright, first off, Civil War was infact not a civil war. Civil War implies one part tries to take the rest of the country, however, The South wanted independence. If this was a Civil War, then so was the American Revolution. The south had every god given right to suceed, hell, the Declaration of Independence supports their claim to independence.
The Issue of slavery is where you will see the south as bad guys. However, interesting fact, Majority of the confederate soldiers, DID NOT havea slave, why would they fight for somethign they didn't have? Secondly, the abolition Movement started
in the South by Southern Slave Holders. Thirdly, Jefferson Davis, President of the CSA, believed that Slavery was immoral and wrong, and had gaurenteed no matter wha tthe outcome of the war, slavery would end. Confederate Constitution made all Slave trading illegal unless with the United States(which participated in the slave trade for 20 years after reconstruction period). No slave ship has ever docked in confederate territory, nor bore a confederate flag.
Had the war ended infavor of the CSA, Slavery would of ended and there would of been little or no segregation, and no kkk. The North caused Southerners to be scared that their former slaves were going to kill them, however, if the north didnt win, It would of been more peaceful and equal rights would of been granted to blacks, long before 1960. Now your thinking this guys a nut, but.. According to the Slave Narratives, which is a US document containing the beliefs of all or most the slaves i nthe south after the war, over 70% held a positive view of their former masters and were treated equally. now the other 30% are more than likely from rich plantations or the slaves of bums that couldnt afford their own food. but 70%... they cant be that bad. Especially in the North where they were kidnapping native americans and selling them to the carribean or south America, or building and controling ships to transport slaves from africa to south america? Or howbout the thousands and thousands of hangings that were done During the civil war.
Sorry I get pretty pissed off when some one calls the South Bad guys, when they've only looked at one side. Yes Slavery was bad, but too call the South bad for the sins of the world. Hell if it wasnt for the North, slavery would of ended during the American Revolution, but no they wanted to make an extra buck. Next time you call one group of people bad, just remember, your group probably did the same or worse.
meatwad4289
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yeah. sorry. Been stressed to limits have a bad cold and a fractured ankle. if it isnt the coughing keeping me up its the turning in the sleep n pain of the ankle.Blunt said:
pokeravi
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la cosa nostra said:
Didn't you ever go to school? The Confederacy was made up of mostly Democrats, while the North was mostly Republicans. That's why people were uneasy when Wilson a Democrat from the South got elected as President. You're the ignorant one here.
EDIT: Oh and btw this is coming from an Anti-Bush Democrat so don't you dare call me a Republican hick.
meatwad4289
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pokeravi said:
although you are correct with the politics of the time. The Politcal parties have changed views and swapped so many times that, the Democrats and Republicans of today are diffrent than the Democrats and Republicans of the mid 1800's. But yes, the South back in the 1860's was primarly Democrat, and the North Republican.
Mowque
Hypermodernist
i've always liked the civil war mainly because it showed the little guy standing up to the large guy and almost winning. (unfortnatly in history, whatever nation has largest economy always wins! every, every time.)
I think a more apporprate UU for the Confederacy would be some kind of Guerllia unit which would personify the rebel spirt better then a imporved cannon, which would be more of a northern industry thing. but that's just me!
I think a more apporprate UU for the Confederacy would be some kind of Guerllia unit which would personify the rebel spirt better then a imporved cannon, which would be more of a northern industry thing. but that's just me!
G-Klav
Chieftain
Mowque said:
Nice summary, but it isn't quite correct. In WWI, of the starting nations, Germany by far had the largest economy. Problem is, they had to wage war on two fronts, and on top of that face a blockade...
To remain on topic, I like this civ. Someone should make a Civil War scenario
