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Could her background be the Palace of Poitiers?
Spoiler Palace of Poitiers :
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There is a striking resemblance. And would be appropriate for Eleanor of Aquitaine. But I agree the pic looks photoshopped. If it is Poitiers, is there another leader who would also have it as their capital?
 
Still think Eleanor of Aquitaine might be a scenario leader rather than an actual main Civ leader. I do agree that the building in the background looks like Poitiers.

As for the ship... hmm. Ships are not my forte but my first thought was maybe some kind of dhow?
 


And what about the ship? It looks vaguely Asian to me but I'm no expert.:confused:

To me, and I'm not expert either, the caravel model looked always a little bit off... more like a galleon. This could be a new caravel model, and the old one could be used perfectly as a galleon model.
 
That ship has black lateen sails.
 
While Ottomans are highly likely, do note that most nations around the Mediterranean used Xebecs, including Barbary Corsairs.

Edit: There also seems to be some sort of icon or sigil on one of the sails.

Edit 2: It could be a Barbary Corsair UU for Ottomans since Algeria was under Ottoman rule from 1515 until 1830. This could also explain the black sails.
 
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This could explain the blurry white object(s) on the stern as being oars.
 
Other options are Venice, Genoa and Malta.
 
The blond queen seems really weird to me and even more likely to be nothing more than an hoax than she did before.

There is a background behind her, indeed, but it looks like she is just drawn/painted art and not a real leader model?
The existing scenarios have used alternate art styles (like the wooden busts in the Viking scenario): if real, she could well be from a scenario.
 
There is a striking resemblance. And would be appropriate for Eleanor of Aquitaine. But I agree the pic looks photoshopped. If it is Poitiers, is there another leader who would also have it as their capital?

I was suspicious of the blond queen - the unnamable site this come from is known for it's hoaxes. But if its a hoax it's likely the hoaxer just clipped it form something else (I highly doubt they drew it themselves), so I'm surprised no one has chimed in with 'wait thats actually from X/Y/Z' yet.

Otoh, I don't know why the 'source' would have posted it originally clipped without the background (and reposted it later with the background), it seems a little weird.
 
We need someone with knowledge of polynesian cultures to pinpoint where the necklace and clothing could be from.

To me it looks like the cloak is made of fur, and quickly searching the Maori are the only ones that I could find that do wear fur cloaks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurī

We had someone (actually properly knowledgeable) who said that the dog hair cloaks were used in other parts of Polynesia; but I suspect if they're more prominent on Maori in pictures it may be because NZ is a much colder climate than most Polynesian islands. Certainly cloaks do seem to be a bigger part of Maori clothing than other PI cultures.

The only Maori necklaces I've seen that chunky are Tiki...but generally they're still not that big:

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They tend to be smaller/slimmer; and more detailed:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Maori+necklace+carving&atb=v140-1__&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

It looks like the model is not tattoo-ed due to censorship reasons, to make the game as family-friendly as possible. I think Kamehameha of Polynesia in Civilization 5 also do not have tattoo

That may be an issue in some parts of Asia where tattoos are heavily associated with gangs; but it would be even more insulting to Maori not to include them on a Maori leader to kowtow to a different races sensitivities. If they really are concerned about that (and in a game like Civ that would boggle the mind) they're best leaving the Maori out.
 
So, assuming these leaks are accurate that implies that, A). the Maori are more or less confirmed, B). we're getting more improvements for sea tiles, C). some kind of ship, possibly a xebec, and D). Eleanor of Aquitaine is involved somehow.

Man, I hope we don't get Eleanor of Aquitaine as a leader for France. We already have one controversial French leader in the game, we don't need one more (though these days I'm more or less cool with Cat; she's a deserving leader, though there are more noteworthy figures in French history). Charlemagne? Charles Martel? Louis IX? Henry IV? Louis XIV? Napoleon? Charles de Gaulle? Even Napoleon III? I'm not saying that Eleanor of Aquitaine isn't an important or noteworthy figure—she absolutely is—but all these figures are much more worthy of representing the entirety of French history than her. Hoping she's a scenario leader, like others or saying, because if she's an actual alt for France, I'll be quite disappointed.

Still, the Maori are definitely overdue for a Civ representative (technically there's Polynesia, but they were an awkward, albeit fun blob Civ represented by a Hawaiian king; hardly a solid representation of the Maori), and the inclusion of the Ottomans is way overdue, if the xebec is meant to represent a Barbary corsair. If we're to assume that it's going to follow the format of R&F—which is to say, eight new Civs and one new Leader—then my predictions will be this:

Maori: I really don't know enough about Maori culture or history to make a call on the leader or abilities, but the UU will surely be a Warrior replacement. It might work like the Maori Warrior from Civ V, or to adopt the cannibalism thing, make the unit gain strength after a kill. (this is probably OP, but it sounds cool at the least!)
Ottomans: Yeah, I'll be honest: Suleiman is really the only choice. You could include Mehmet II as a siege master-themed leader, but c'mon. Picking Suleiman as the greatest Ottoman ruler is like picking Marquee Moon as the best Television album; there is no other choice. His ability would certainly be something related to administrative reforms, and maybe with an added cultural bonus too. Maybe even stick the Barbary Corsair as a UU for him as well. Because you also practically have to include the Janissary as a UU as well.
Inca: Before we move onto any more Native American Civs, we have to get the Inca out of the way as the other "great empire" of the Americas. Pachacuti is the natural choice here. The Terrace Farm should absolutely make a return, and their UA should reflect upon their sophisticated record-keeping system, infrastructure, and labor.
Austria: I might get some eyerolls over adding Austria as an EU rep, but to me their importance to European history is just too large to overlook. Charles V, Maria Theresa, or Joseph II would all be solid reps. Give them their Hapsburg marriages, and honestly, bringing back the Coffee House might not be a bad idea.
Portugal: Yet ANOTHER EU rep for the game, but we really can't not add Portugal, especially if this is the last expansion for the game. Henry the Navigator, Manuel I, or John II are probably the most thematically appropriate rulers, but you could add Maria I if you just want a fun personality and gender diversity. Make them the obvious trade and exploration Civ that they should be.
Ethiopia: We need an African rep, and Ethiopia are probably the most glaring absentee. You could bring back Haile Selassie, dig back to use Zara Yaqob, or you could even use Ezana or Kaleb from the Aksumite kingdom. A religious Civ to be sure.
Thailand/Sukhothai: Southeast Asia could use a rep, and since we have the Khmer to cover the Western part of Indochina, why not bring back Sukhothai? If you were to tweak Father Governs Children to work with the new city-state mechanics, you could have a really unique and fun Civ to play with. Ramkhamhaeng is probably the logical choice, and I know everyone wants to see his smug mug back in Civ. :mischief:
Iroquois: We need a North American rep for this expansion, and yeah, the Iroquois are probably the most prominent one not included. If we don't get any other expansions/DLC, this does mean we go without a Great Plains rep for our Native Americans, but I simply feel the significance of the Iroquois shouldn't be overlooked. Plus, it gives FRX a chance to do the Civ right this time. Rather than go with a mythical figure who may or may not have actually existed—we already have one of those in Civ VI—let's add in Joseph Brant/Thayendanegea this time around.
Alt-leader: This choice would have to be a representative that not only is prominent, but seriously changes up the way you approach the game. My predictions assuming we don't get Eleanor of Aquitaine, which IMO would be a travesty, would be Ramses II for Egypt (conquest over diplomacy with Cleo), Darius I for Egypt (more city-building and economy over Cyrus' conquest), Louis XIV for France (cultural/militaristic Civ instead of Cat's unique espionage niche), and Harun al-Rashid for Arabia (cash flow/trade over Science; or you could integrate the Baghdad Golden Age into his design somehow, even though it's kind of represented by the Madrasa).

A lot of these are returning figures, but to be fair the base Civ VI and R&F inclusions have a lot of wonky inclusions; even with these, we're missing a lot of mainstays, which is a little upsetting. I hope this expansions adds more Civs so we get a broader representation, but I doubt we will. Some of my other wishful thinking Civs are Babylon, Sweden, Hungary, Mali, Morocco, Maya, Muisca, Sioux, Cherokee, Chinook, Shoshone, Carthage, Kilwa/Swahili, Vietnam, Assyria, Italy/Italian City-State, Ireland/Celts, Byzantium, Denmark, Israel (which will never happen, but a man can dream), and some South American post-colonial state—Argentina, Gran Colombia, or Chile would fit the bill, though Chile would overlap with the Inca in a TSL map, so maybe not them.

As for gameplay, I don't really have too many demands: just improve diplomacy, add more buildings and units, fix up the tech tree, and improve production scaling—though that last one might be fixed by buildings.
 
The existing scenarios have used alternate art styles (like the wooden busts in the Viking scenario): if real, she could well be from a scenario.

There's always the possibility she was merely in development, and later scrapped like, Isabella, Genoa and the Haida were.

the Xebec doesn't necessarily point towards the Ottomans, however. If anything, it could be a UU for a Moroccan civ.
 
Picture of the mystery lady was more zoomed in oh the original leak post, so this one is just zoomed out, but if it's real it's clearly some placeholder.

If that ship is a berber xebec, someone on Reddit suggested Queen Kahina as berber leader, it would give an interesting female leader plus a civ to a place that yet has no representation (north africa)
 
I don't think the xebec points to the Ottomans, I think it points to a Barbary coast civ. Ottomans will likely have a land UU as in past games-- and they've got plenty to pick from.

I really don't see them substituting the iconic Janissary (which already has an in-game model) with a ship that every Mediterranean civ used. I mean it's possible the Ottos will have two UUs, but even then I'd go with a cavalry unit over a ship-- and the Ottomans were hardly the most famous users of xebecs, anyways.

Besides, that ship looks rather unrefined, with the black sails and everything, for the majesty of the Ottoman Empire. Methinks we'll see Sayyida al Hurra swashbuckling her way into this expansion, as that's a pirate ship if I've ever seen one.
 
Looks like the plot is thickening!

And maybe if the issue is mentioned in this thread frequently enough, they'll notice and make sure it's done right even if they weren't originally planning to include tattoos.

Sound like a good plan to me!

I agree that Eleanor, assuming it's real and that it is her and not anyone else, could work really well as a scenario leader. What are the most likely scenarios?

It sounds like Morocco could be the owner of that ship and having them be lead by the pirate-turned-queen Sayyida al Hurra could be really fun. Just for reference, what would be the most iconic ship of an Ottoman navy?
 
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