I think Matthias or Kossuth would be better choices. Arpad is probably a safer choice than Bela Kun or Horthy though.
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I think Matthias or Kossuth would be better choices. Arpad is probably a safer choice than Bela Kun or Horthy though.
seasnake
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Some thoughts on this Reddit list:
First, it looks too random to be fake. I'm actually totally buying it.
Second, like Ottomans but hate Roxelana.
Third, Don't know if we this means we have Maori or Polyneisa as the civ, could be either.
Finally, I think not including Maya is a ridiculous oversight. Unless there's some DLC still coming, the lack of the Maya based on their size, scope, advancements and impacts on culture is silly. Also would have preferred another North American civ, like the Cherokee or Pueblo, but not too shattered by this news.
First, it looks too random to be fake. I'm actually totally buying it.
Second, like Ottomans but hate Roxelana.
Third, Don't know if we this means we have Maori or Polyneisa as the civ, could be either.
Finally, I think not including Maya is a ridiculous oversight. Unless there's some DLC still coming, the lack of the Maya based on their size, scope, advancements and impacts on culture is silly. Also would have preferred another North American civ, like the Cherokee or Pueblo, but not too shattered by this news.
My uncle works at Firaxis folks, and he tells me there's a hidden Magica De Spell leader in the code in Vesuvius.
Mali wasn't in Civ5, so the idea might be that the two returning civs were returning from Civ5 and not any previous games.
Still, I am 100% convinced that this list is fake.
It looked plausible at first but took a really bad turn towards the end of it.
We're not getting Maori and Noongar both in one expansion, especially when we already have Australia in the game. It just doesn't make sense to me, that area of the world would get very crowded while Africa (for instance) is extremely underrepresented.
seasnake
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Frankly that's why I think it's real. A simple troll I doubt would think to include Noongar and Maori on the same list, they'd pick a safer choice. Still, interesting to find later.
If that list is true, they missed out on a really cool, and popular, female leader...Lady Six Sky.
Oh interesting!
To be fair, Atahualpa would absolutely be a big personality, especially if he's flourishing his brother's gilded skull.
Oops, there goes the rating. 
Does that mean CdM gets her wine back? (I'm still hoping for Huayna Capac personally.)All of these except the Noongar have been regularly bandied about as potential civs here on Civfanatics and more than one person has suggested Roxelana/Hurrem Sultan for the Ottomans. This list isn't nearly as out-of-left-field, at least taken individually, as you seem to think--it's simply lumping them all together that makes them seem ridiculous.
I'd lay odds they haven't been...
Trav'ling Canuck
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The Noongar are based in western Australia, a continent away from Canberra. Far enough to fit in a good dozen European - Mideastern civs along the Mediterranean.
I'm going to dispute the "easily" part of that equation. If two people match the description, how is anybody going to figure out which of the two did it, to a level of proof sufficient to succeed in a lawsuit? Even if only one person did, you'd still need to prove they leaked it and it wasn't someone else pretending to be them.
The only way I see to protect against this type of leak is to engage suppliers to do redundant work. Then the list the translator thinks is correct is actually only half correct, and someone else was working on another list that's also half correct. Then, yes, 2k could identify whose list was leaked (though might still be challenged to prove they leaked it versus the information having been stolen by a third party or even it being some random person's guess). And 2k would have paid double the amount they needed to for their translation. I doubt they took that step.
Big personality at the cost of a great leader. Would the ability based off of the Incan Civil War or be a puppet of the Spanish Empire? Give me Huayana Capac please or even Pachacuti again!To be fair, Atahualpa would absolutely be a big personality, especially if he's flourishing his brother's gilded skull.
And as for Roxelana, just give us Suleiman again, even though he's male. If you want a female leader, who actually ruled, with personality there's Elizabeth I, Isabella, Maria Theresa, even Maria the Mad etc.
P.S. disregard the last one, I was just emphasizing my point.
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I'd lay odds they haven't been...
I'll take the other side of that bet. What are we wagering? The loser has to listen to Sean Bean butcher all of the leader introductions in succession? Or something even less humane?
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I think we need a poll. Will post one shortly.I'll take the other side of that bet. What are we wagering? The loser has to listen to Sean Bean butcher all of the leader introductions in succession? Or something even less humane?
Having overlapping civs hasn't prevented them from inclusion in the past. A similar example is America and the Shoshone in Civ V, which nobody complained about. That being said, if they add the Noongar, they might as well add the San people of Africa (And at least the San people have bows and arrows). Also more technologically advanced, the Inuit, which would certainly be a particularly niche civ. But who knows who we might get in the future, perhaps the North Sentinel Islanders (who are yet to discover fire) ~ why not, right? The lines of what consists of an actual civilization are becoming blurred beyond recognition, so who cares if they haven't yet discovered fire, lol.
Not Suleiman please. Mehmed II or Selim I by preference. I'd take Bayezid Yildirim over Suleiman (even if he was a disaster he certainly had personality).
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Poll on whether you think this list is real:
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/poll-is-the-leaked-list-of-leaders-real.638377/
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/poll-is-the-leaked-list-of-leaders-real.638377/
My point was if they wanted to give us Roxelana, they should actually give us the leader who ruled at that time.
OK, I admit he'd be a better choice than Roxelana.
Not happy about Eleanor either.
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I think it's actually quite likely that this list is real since it contains civs that no one has previously predicted and follows a similar pattern to the leader/ civ choice in Rise and Fall. So in other words it's going to surprise, satisfy and annoy fans in equal measure.
IF it is real it's a mixed bag indeed. I would be delighted if Mansa Musa and Mali were included I've been wanting this civ for quite some time now. People so far don't seem too keen on Noongar and Midgegooroo but I wouldn't mind this at all. Remember that Australia is roughly the same landmass size as the USA so why is it so hard to grasp having two civs in this area? And the Maori are in New Zealand. There is a bigger distance between Sydney and Wellington than there is between London and Rome. And I'm always going to favour a native indigenous civ over European settlers who have only been living in the area for a few hundred years.
For the rest I don't really mind but I'm not that excited about any of the civs in the list apart from Mali. Would have liked to have seen Carthage and Iroquois but I guess i'll have to be patient if the list is real. From the leaked image it looks like Eleanor is definitely going to be in the new expansion. I hope she is leading a new civ like the Angevins and not England or France as we already have female leaders for these civs and it would be good to see a male alternate leader for these. Same goes for Ottomans I can tolerate Roxelana as long as we eventually get Sulieman.
IF it is real it's a mixed bag indeed. I would be delighted if Mansa Musa and Mali were included I've been wanting this civ for quite some time now. People so far don't seem too keen on Noongar and Midgegooroo but I wouldn't mind this at all. Remember that Australia is roughly the same landmass size as the USA so why is it so hard to grasp having two civs in this area? And the Maori are in New Zealand. There is a bigger distance between Sydney and Wellington than there is between London and Rome. And I'm always going to favour a native indigenous civ over European settlers who have only been living in the area for a few hundred years.
For the rest I don't really mind but I'm not that excited about any of the civs in the list apart from Mali. Would have liked to have seen Carthage and Iroquois but I guess i'll have to be patient if the list is real. From the leaked image it looks like Eleanor is definitely going to be in the new expansion. I hope she is leading a new civ like the Angevins and not England or France as we already have female leaders for these civs and it would be good to see a male alternate leader for these. Same goes for Ottomans I can tolerate Roxelana as long as we eventually get Sulieman.
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