New film version of Dune to be made :)

I am tired of Paul. I want someone else, much less important and known, in the same setting, but less epic. E.g. some commoner with his personal problems to which any major politics and war is the background scenery.
In that case, they'd have to adapt something from the Dune Encyclopedia, and thanks to how KJA, BH, and the rest screwed over Dr. McNelly, I doubt his estate would sell the rights.

It's a pity, too, because the Encyclopedia had the superior version of the Butlerian Jihad.
 
The thing I've noticed about David Lynch is that I either love or loathe everything he's done. His Dune adaptation definitely fell into the latter category for me. Visually compelling at times, but awful in almost every other respect.
The visuals in the Lynch version are outstanding. The miniature and matte work is excellent; but the visual quality is marred by some shoddy blue screen, CGI that aged really badly, and an overall muddy feel because most -if not all- of the Arrakis scenes were run through an optical compositor to give Arrakis a red sky.


As far as the movie goes, I'll believe it when I see it. Neuromancer died in development hell and that's where the last Dune adaptation died.
 
A very bad thing with Lynch's Dune is that he already was using the same boring crew he appears to rotate in all his films. Particularly (anachronism) Big Ed as a Fremen leader... is hilarious. Same for that Martell guy as a Harkonnen officer.
And Sting... well... :lol:
 
The visuals in the Lynch version are outstanding. The miniature and matte work is excellent; but the visual quality is marred by some shoddy blue screen, CGI that aged really badly, and an overall muddy feel because most -if not all- of the Arrakis scenes were run through an optical compositor to give Arrakis a red sky.
I don't remember the sky being red in that movie. Are there any clips around to illustrate which scenes you're referring to?

As far as the movie goes, I'll believe it when I see it. Neuromancer died in development hell and that's where the last Dune adaptation died.
And thank goodness it did die. KJA was angling to be involved, and if he had been, it would have been more like the crap he wrote instead of real Dune.

A very bad thing with Lynch's Dune is that he already was using the same boring crew he appears to rotate in all his films. Particularly (anachronism) Big Ed as a Fremen leader... is hilarious. Same for that Martell guy as a Harkonnen officer.
And Sting... well... :lol:
"Big Ed"??? WTH? The Fremen leader, Stilgar, was played by Everett McGill.

As for Sting, he made a far better Feyd-Rautha than the one in the miniseries. And the shower scene... nice eye candy, as I recall. :mischief:
 
The same actor played "Big Ed" in Lynch's tv series "Twin Peaks" ;)

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Re Lynch's Dune, i only liked the part about the spice and folding space to travel, and there was just 10 min of that in total... Battles looked very bad, imo. The rest... also was rather cheesy :)
 
I don't remember the sky being red in that movie. Are there any clips around to illustrate which scenes you're referring to?
Any scene involving worms really.
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Surprised you don't really remember that

And thank goodness it did die. KJA was angling to be involved, and if he had been, it would have been more like the crap he wrote instead of real Dune.
I'm just sad that Jodorowsky's Dune never got made. Not even GOD knows what Jodorowsky would have done to Dune.


As for Sting, he made a far better Feyd-Rautha than the one in the miniseries. And the shower scene... nice eye candy, as I recall. :mischief:
I thought the Miniseries Sting was pretty good, same with Paul and Irulan. I'm sort of sad none of them really got any real roles after the movie.
 
only came to know the series through the strategy game Dune II (first ever real-time strategy, an Amiga classic ;) ).

I give Kyriakos a thumbs up for mentioning the classic Amiga RTS game
The novels themselves are good reads having withstood the test of time, like the movie is a cult classic and worth reading if one has the chance. Maybe if the movie remake dose well we'll get a trilogy
 
Any scene involving worms really.
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Surprised you don't really remember that
It's been quite awhile since I last saw it. And honestly, most of that clip looks like greyish-yellow ochre on my current monitor.

I'm just sad that Jodorowsky's Dune never got made. Not even GOD knows what Jodorowsky would have done to Dune.
The pictures I've seen of the concept art were stomach-turning. And there was something about Paul and Jessica having an incestuous relationship so Alia was both Paul's sister and his daughter... thank goodness that version never got made.

I thought the Miniseries Sting was pretty good, same with Paul and Irulan. I'm sort of sad none of them really got any real roles after the movie.
The "miniseries Sting"? You mean the guy who played Feyd-Rautha in the miniseries? I honestly don't remember his name, and doubt I would recognize him in other roles.

Which versions of Paul and Irulan do you mean? Kyle MacLachlan and Virginia Madsen went on to have decent careers (of course I'm more familiar with MacLachlan than Madsen). I never saw Twin Peaks or any other movies he was in, but I liked him in Desperate Housewives.

The casting in the miniseries was just plain bizarre in some cases. Whoever decided to cast William Hurt as Duke Leto should have been fired - he was absolutely awful. As far as I'm concerned, Jurgen Prochnow was perfect as Duke Leto.

And Susan Sarandon as Wensicia Corrino? :ack: Whoever cast her clearly didn't read the novels. Irulan was the eldest of the five Corrino princesses, and there is no way in hell that Susan Sarandon is younger than Julie Cox.
 
Re Lynch's Dune, it is a bit underwhelming that the emperor with (at least nominal) control of "the known universe" can only bring so few troops with him and they are defeated by a desert people of one planet.
Even worse was the battle between the Atreides and the Harkonnen armies. Pretty small scale for sides that controlled one planet each ;)
 
The pictures I've seen of the concept art were stomach-turning. And there was something about Paul and Jessica having an incestuous relationship so Alia was both Paul's sister and his daughter... thank goodness that version never got made.
I don't care how faithful it would be to the book. I just want to see the closest approximation to LSD a visual medium can provide.

The "miniseries Sting"? You mean the guy who played Feyd-Rautha in the miniseries? I honestly don't remember his name, and doubt I would recognize him in other roles.
IMDB says miniseries Feyd hasn't really done anything apart from some bit parts and voice work. Same with the guy who played Paul. He was passable in Dune but excellent in Children of Dune. At least James McAvoy's career didn't die in that movie.

The casting in the miniseries was just plain bizarre in some cases. Whoever decided to cast William Hurt as Duke Leto should have been fired - he was absolutely awful. As far as I'm concerned, Jurgen Prochnow was perfect as Duke Leto.
I dunno. I liked William Hurt as Leto. It added some much needed gravitas to the cast and I can't say Das Boot Man left me with any impression besides the fact his beard was the exact same color as the walls on Caladan. I thought Hurt did a good job at bringing a sense of world weariness to the part.

And Susan Sarandon as Wensicia Corrino? :ack: Whoever cast her clearly didn't read the novels. Irulan was the eldest of the five Corrino princesses, and there is no way in hell that Susan Sarandon is younger than Julie Cox.
That doesn't bother me at all. Susan Sarandon was so delightfully evil and left her teeth on every bit of scenery. Often, the best characters in B Movies are those who completely ham it up.

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hahahahaha they're just holding kids' jumpropes in that scene

F for production value
The production values were good, just uneven. The miniature and matte painting work was outstanding. Anything involving optical compositing was rubbish - a situation not helped by the DP having what can only be described as an aversion to anybody being able to see what is going on in the scene. Everything in the movie feels dark and dingy.
 
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any scene involving worms really

hahahahaha they're just holding kids' jumpropes in that scene

F for production value
 
Re Lynch's Dune, it is a bit underwhelming that the emperor with (at least nominal) control of "the known universe" can only bring so few troops with him and they are defeated by a desert people of one planet.
Even worse was the battle between the Atreides and the Harkonnen armies. Pretty small scale for sides that controlled one planet each ;)
You have to realize that the Emperor and the Harkonnens vastly underestimated the number of Fremen and the territory they controlled. They had no idea that the worms could be ridden. And there are many instances in our own history where a war is won or lost, based on one small battle involving relatively small numbers of soldiers.

Also, there was the necessity for secrecy so the Landsraad wouldn't get wind of what was going on. Some of the Imperial fighters were wearing Harkonnen uniforms.

It was actually pretty hilarious, how the Imperial Sardaukar were supposedly such ferocious soldiers... they didn't stand a chance against Atreides-trained Fremen.


I don't care how faithful it would be to the book. I just want to see the closest approximation to LSD a visual medium can provide.
Then I suggest googling. The photos are out there. Just please don't post any of them here. They're revolting.


IMDB says miniseries Feyd hasn't really done anything apart from some bit parts and voice work. Same with the guy who played Paul. He was passable in Dune but excellent in Children of Dune. At least James McAvoy's career didn't die in that movie.
Gah. I never liked Leto II in the books, and I didn't like him in the miniseries, either. I get why they had to use older actors to play Leto and Ghanima; there's no way they could have found child actors skilled enough to pull off the subtleties and nuances necessary for the roles, and today's audiences would have been upset at the thought of a 9-year-old Ghanima marrying an adult Farad'n. But as it is, casting adult actors means the Dune fanfic pages contain some pretty awful Leto/Ghanima incest stories... :mad:


I dunno. I liked William Hurt as Leto. It added some much needed gravitas to the cast and I can't say Das Boot Man left me with any impression besides the fact his beard was the exact same color as the walls on Caladan. I thought Hurt did a good job at bringing a sense of world weariness to the part.
Jurgen Prochnow knocked it out of the ballpark, as far as I'm concerned. I thought he was very believable as the regal, honorable Duke who knew he was being set up somehow, but was determined to win. Unfortunately, it never occurred to any of the Atreides that a Suk Doctor could be broken and turned against them. And it was extremely obvious that Prochnow's version of Leto loved his family.

William Hurt? His Leto had the personality of a piece of cardboard.


That doesn't bother me at all. Susan Sarandon was so delightfully evil and left her teeth on every bit of scenery. Often, the best characters in B Movies are those who completely ham it up.
The thing is, Wensicia is supposed to be an evil villain. Not a campy villain.

When a character inspires me to create this lolpic, I know she's failed as a villain:

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And she's too old to be Irulan's younger sister. That's the whole point of Irulan marrying Paul, thereby enabling him to assume the Imperial throne with some semblance of legality. She's the eldest daughter, and Shaddam IV had no sons. It was made very clear in the novel that Irulan's husband would be the next Emperor.


hahahahaha they're just holding kids' jumpropes in that scene

F for production value
You take props where you can get them. I know from my RL experience in musical theatre that function and ease of use is more important than how something looks. Get something that works, and then alter how it looks, if it's important enough to bother with. We once made a caveman's club out of a toy plastic baseball bat, covered in papier-mache, and spray-painted brown. I still have that prop; it was a souvenir I was allowed to keep, from a show we did over 30 years ago.

Rope is rope, and the only difference is what it's made of. There's an in-book explanation, but the real-world situation was that the movie was shot in Mexico, and the production company had a hell of a time getting props, costumes, and equipment into the country and finished film out of the country. Part of the reason the production costs escalated was because they had to pay bribes to get stuff in and out. Actors and crew were smuggling stuff in their personal luggage - bits of costumes, props, etc.

I really do recommend reading The Making of Dune, by Ed Naha. It's got lots of interviews with cast and crew, and tells how the movie was made and why some of what was filmed ended up not being used. They filmed almost every major part of the story except the banquet scene. It's too bad Jamis' funeral wasn't included.
 
I am not saying the new movie has to be good. I saw some of Lynch's Dune, and... well it looks rather cheesy :) The Harkonnen flying person was sort of cool.

I have nothing invested on Dune, given i haven't read the books and only came to know the series through the strategy game Dune II (first ever real-time strategy, an Amiga classic ;) ).

It was not the 1st. I have the 1st and Dune Battle for Arakis.

The 1st was Herzog Zwei.
 
I don't care how faithful it would be to the book. I just want to see the closest approximation to LSD a visual medium can provide.

While some of the concept art looked interesting, the cast was bad (Carradine? :nope: Dali? :lol: ) and i suppose it might have ended up very cheesy. Although probably not to the dreadful level of Flash Gordon :rotfl:

The following is other concept art, a lot more recent:

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Very obviously inspired by an anime-like movies director, in turn inspired by Egon Schiele, and thus utterly decadent and corrupt ;)
 
Hm, just read the wiki synopseis of the original Dune novels. It seems they get pretty convoluted.. Also, why would a human-worm thing even wish to be emperor of the universe? :D
 
Hm, just read the wiki synopseis of the original Dune novels. It seems they get pretty convoluted.. Also, why would a human-worm thing even wish to be emperor of the universe? :D
Leto II was pre-born (adult consciousness in utero, thanks to the overdose of spice Chani was required to take during her pregnancy, to counter the poison Irulan had been dosing her with so she wouldn't conceive). Leto had prescient powers, and "knew" that there was a risk of the human race becoming extinct, as the then-current Imperium had become so jaded and complacent. Humanity needed a collective kick in the backside to get it going again - a new wave of exploration, new inventions, new ideas... and his own way of doing that was to become a tyrant.

The "Golden Path" was apparently a way to ensure humanity's survival as a species, first by cracking down on freedom - confine ordinary people to their own planets, control what they were allowed to be taught, what they were allowed to think, what they were allowed to do, and make even small transgressions subject to severe punishment, if not execution. He figured that eventually people would decide to rebel in such a way that he could not prevent it... and that would signify humanity's readiness to expand in a new wave of the aforementioned exploration, inventions, ideas, religions, etc.

He could have just taught them from the get-go; after all, Leto II had access to every ancestral memory in his own personal genealogy going back to Bronze Age Earth. But humanity's collective will just wasn't ready.

Fast-forward 3000 years; Leto has been slowly changing into a sandworm, and by that time some people have clearly had enough. The final rebellion occurs, Leto is killed, and humanity is free to go where it wants, do what it wants, and the idea was to become so spread out that it would be impossible for humanity to become extinct.

Fast-forward another 1500 years... the Bene Gesserit and Tleilaxu are basically running things, and after all this time poor Duncan Idaho is STILL being resurrected in ghola-form (he's my favorite character, but he made a good point in God Emperor of Dune: "Did you ever ask ME if I wanted to come back?". Apparently neither Leto nor the BG ever did. There is no Imperium, no more aristocracy. But there is a new threat (of course).

Somewhere "out there" is a new group of humans calling themselves the "Honored Matres." They're out to get the Bene Gesserit, and they're willing to commit genocide to do it. So it's a war between the two groups, and Frank Herbert died before he could finish writing the final novel.

The nuDune books Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune attempt to address this, and the results are so utterly cartoonish... and are really a sequel to KJA/BH's own books, rather than Frank Herbert's books. In short, they're crap. As far as I'm concerned, Dune remains an unfinished series of 6 out of 7 planned novels.
 
Some time ago after watching the movie i read The Butlerian Jihad and started The Machine Crusade. The initial idea was to complete the whole series in chronological order, but got bored of repetitive apocalyptic battles and people reduced to little bits though.
 
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