pre-release info New First Look: Charlemagne

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there’s always that one leader who’s meant to be military + some and jsut isn’t that interesting in that plus some

thinking of chandragupta in civ 6, for example
Yup. If all the leader styles appealed to me, firaxis would have made them too narrowly. And his ability is a more interesting spin on warfare than say Chandragupta in civ6 so. Gonna swipe left, but wishing him all the best - he seems sweet.
 
Charlemagne was a leader we all expected to see at some point. It’s great to have him; he’s a very interesting choice. I hope we see the Franks someday.
 
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YES! I've been waiting for his return for a long while, and I'm very pleased he's back!! I may play him, probably with a Civ that has+Settlement limit. (Rome?)

I like the details of his pot belly (Charlemagne did become quite corpulent after he became Emperor) and the language (sounds like Old Dutch or Low German - I can understand the words moreso than I could Barbarossa's, and the pronounciation of "wisdom" suggests the VA is Flemish).

Abilities are good. Free cav upon celebration means I can just place my happiness buildings and don't have to worry about being weak.
 
And if you wanted to, you could also pull the sneaky trick of having Ancient Franks into Exploration Carolingians.
The Normans already fill the role of what I would have wanted from the Exploration Carolingians, which is the Crusading Knights theme. I bet they'd probably just have Antiquity Franks, which could have a little bonus from the Carolingian Empire, that could then lead to Ancién Regime France, and Holy Roman Empire Germany.
 
Lots to glean from the Modern screenshot at the end. I see Radio Towers, a Hangar, possibly a Museum, a Department Store(?), two kinds of Factory looking buildings, a some buildings that look like they could be a palace but aren’t (Salon?), an aircraft carrier, etc
These would be my guesses. Some are based on other shots where those models have been seen in more detail.

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With his reveal, and presumably Frederick the Great incoming, Modern Germany seems more likely to appear now.
The British might now be even less likely. The only modern European civ that is shown too much is France, and it seems they’re keeping the others under wraps.
 
I doubt we'll have Ancien Régime France, as that's one mouthful of a name. Naming it after specific dynasties is likely to cause confusion, and naming it Kingdom of France to

If we absokutely get second France, it will probably be Capetien/Bourbon/Valois, but one direction I'd really like to see instead is the chief and principal kinda-HRE, kinda-French, kinda-Low Countries Medieval to Early Modern courtly troublemaker: Burgundy. It would do beautifully as a more economic/culture-centric precursor to modern Dutch and France.
 
The Normans already fill the role of what I would have wanted from the Exploration Carolingians, which is the Crusading Knights theme. I bet they'd probably just have Antiquity Franks, which could have a little bonus from the Carolingian Empire, that could then lead to Ancién Regime France, and Holy Roman Empire Germany.
I doubt the Franks will ever be included. The Goths will fill that role, Goths-> Holy Roman Empire-> Germany. I really wanted a Templar Unique Military Unit, but despite the inclusion of the Normans, the chances haven't entirely vanished. A Templar land unit recruited through Independent Cities is possible, and if that never happens, then the Holy Roman Empire might get Teutonic knights as the Unique Military Unit.
 
I doubt we'll have Ancien Régime France, as that's one mouthful of a name. Naming it after specific dynasties is likely to cause confusion, and naming it Kingdom of France to

If we absokutely get second France, it will probably be Capetien/Bourbon/Valois, but one direction I'd really like to see instead is the chief and principal kinda-HRE, kinda-French, kinda-Low Countries Medieval to Early Modern courtly troublemaker: Burgundy. It would do beautifully as a more economic/culture-centric precursor to modern Dutch and France.
Burgundy would be great!
 
The British might now be even less likely. The only modern European civ that is shown too much is France, and it seems they’re keeping the others under wraps.
I think, considering how often London and its layers of history are referenced, it would be weird not to include modern England or the British empire in the base game.
 
The British might now be even less likely. The only modern European civ that is shown too much is France, and it seems they’re keeping the others under wraps.
I could still see an English/British leader that could pair with both the Normans and America.
I doubt we'll have Ancien Régime France, as that's one mouthful of a name. Naming it after specific dynasties is likely to cause confusion, and naming it Kingdom of France to

If we absokutely get second France, it will probably be Capetien/Bourbon/Valois, but one direction I'd really like to see instead is the chief and principal kinda-HRE, kinda-French, kinda-Low Countries Medieval to Early Modern courtly troublemaker: Burgundy. It would do beautifully as a more economic/culture-centric precursor to modern Dutch and France.
I wouldn't call it that either. I was debating on the name, but I think Capetian works the best considering the other two were branches of it.
I doubt the Franks will ever be included.
You're right that the Goths are more likely. I'm not sure the Franks or Carolingians are actually needed when their biggest asset, Charlemagne, is already included and leaders are divorced from civs. It's all just hypothetical speculation at this point.
 
A little disappointed as I was looking forward to William the Conqueror, and he seems very unlikely wedged between Charlemagne and 2x Napoleon. I hope we get him eventually, though. This just blew the door wide open for Zenobia. :D
 
Btw we already have confirmations about the number of civs on release (30 + shawnee), but do we know how many leaders will be there on release (including Tecumseh)?
 
I doubt we'll have Ancien Régime France, as that's one mouthful of a name. Naming it after specific dynasties is likely to cause confusion, and naming it Kingdom of France to

If we absokutely get second France, it will probably be Capetien/Bourbon/Valois, but one direction I'd really like to see instead is the chief and principal kinda-HRE, kinda-French, kinda-Low Countries Medieval to Early Modern courtly troublemaker: Burgundy. It would do beautifully as a more economic/culture-centric precursor to modern Dutch and France.
they also seem to want to avoid the modern nation states, so this makes sense
 
Btw we already have confirmations about the number of civs on release (30 + shawnee), but do we know how many leaders will be there on release (including Tecumseh)?
We do not have an exact number at this time.
 
A little disappointed as I was looking forward to William the Conqueror, and he seems very unlikely wedged between Charlemagne and 2x Napoleon. I hope we get him eventually, though. This just blew the door wide open for Zenobia. :D
it feels like there’s an imbalance away from ancient leaders atm so i’d hope so

would also take ashurbanipal or a homeric semi-mythical figure

but tbf i guess the imbalance isn’t that bad: augustus, himeno, ashoka, confucius and hatshepsut for ancient leaders so far
 
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