Thanks for the very enlightening and informative discussions. I'm finally beginning to comprehend why I struggle at Prince. I've already been able to become more consistently win at Noble and improve my performance at Prince. One think that, at my advanced age I would be more patient at thinking before I play. Lord knows I've certainly learned that for most other parts of my life. Certainly, the challenges of Civ4 are why I keep returning in spite of extended forays into other games. I am continually gratified at the patience advanced players in this forum have for new or struggling long time players. Would that this sense of community and charity extended into all of life. Thanks to all ladies and gents for your support.