New Unit: Kublai-Khan Ship

[Mongoloid Cow]

"It's a junk - any chinese ship is a junk... actually junk means just "ship" in chinese... so I would call it Mongol Junk, Kublai Era Junk or something like that."

The Mongols built their ships on Choju, a Korean island with Korean designers. Whats a Korean ship called?

 

[hetairoi22]

I was wondering if it would be possible for you to make a version with one or two simple cannons firing sideways. It could be used as a ficticious Galleass in my mod (comes before Frigate)...? If it wouldn't be too hard...

 

[aaglo]

Certainly.
I could do that tonight (ETA 10 hours).

 

[hetairoi22]

Thanks, man!

 

[Adler17]

This Mongol ship is actually a Chinese one! The mongols were nomadic Rider with absolutely no sense for the sea. But Kublai Khan wanted to invade Japan, so he needed Chinese yard workers and seamen. They built twice a huge fleet, but both fleets were destroyed by kamikaze, the wind of the gods.

Adler

 

[aaglo]

Yep, it was actually a chinese ship. But used by mongols. Thus, a mongol ship (in civ-wise)

 

[embryodead]

so was it Chinese or Korean? make some decision!

 

[aaglo]

You should be afraid of the terrible Mongolian navy.

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by embryodead
so was it Chinese or Korean? make some decision!

They were made in what is now Korea but was first under Chinese influence and Mongol control --

"In response to Japan's defiance, Kublai Khan ordered his vassals in the subjugated Korean state of Koryo to build a large fleet of 900 ships and prepare to invade Japan."

I couldn't find a name for these ships but I did find the Japanese name for -- and ineresting description of -- the explosives they carried at:

http://www.openroadproductions.com/kubla.htm

"The tetsuhau or bombs discovered on the wreck [from Kublai Khan's fleet - Oz] are the world's earliest known exploding projectiles. Chinese alchemists invented gunpowder around 300 AD, and by 1100, huge paper bombs, much like giant firecrackers, were used in battle. The first reference to exploding projectiles, thrown by catapults, appears around 1221, when Chinese sources describe hollow shells packed with gunpowder. [...] The discovery of not one, but six of these tetsuhau at Takashima has shown that the old samurai was correct. While four of the tetsuhau are broken, two were intact. X-ray analysis of the two bombs shows one was filled just with gunpowder, while the other was packed with gunpowder and more than dozen one-centimeter thick pieces of iron - shrapnel - to cut down an enemy."

As for a name for the magnificent unit itself how about something mildly ironic like "Divine Wind Ship"?

-Oz

 

[aaglo]

Thanks for the info, Ozzy

As for the unit name - everybody can use whatever they like, i suppose (but Divine Wind Ship would propably be too thick )

 

[The Last Conformist]

Originally posted by embryodead
It's a junk - any chinese ship is a junk... actually junk means just "ship" in chinese...

That's so? 'Twas more than I knew - my characterization of it as a junk was based on it looking much like Ming era seagoing Chinese ships (think Zheng He's armada), which are usually called junks.

What kind of Chinese is "junk", BTW? Mandarin doesn't have final consonat clusters ...

 

[utahjazz7]

Very Nice!

 

[aaglo]

I included the catapult attack with it, since otherwise I would have to make everything without the catapult.

Here's the demo. When I'll finish the flc's and sounds, I will post them in the 1st post too.

 

[Ozymandias]

The catapult update looks fabulous

-Oz

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by The Last Conformist
What kind of Chinese is "junk", BTW? Mandarin doesn't have final consonat clusters ...

It's not .

From The Online Etymological Dictionary:

junk (2) - "Chinese sailing ship," 1613, from Port. junco, from Malay jong, probably from Javanese djong.

-Oz

 

[hetairoi22]

Cheers, Aaglo! Just what I needed. Great work! With this unit we have an entire Asian units line: Junk (Galley) --> Invasian Ship--this unit with arrow attack (Catapult Galley/War Galley -- late Ancient or early Medieval) --> Bombard Ship--this unit with cannon attack (Galleass -- mid-medieval) --> Embryodead's Tongkang (Frigate)

Once again: Great Work, Aaglo!!

 

[Kinboat]

This looks very cool... But shouldn't the death animation have the ship blown away in the wind?

 

[aaglo]

I was thinking about simply turning it upside down (pushed by the WIND and sink, but that looked a bit silly

 

[Lusikka755]

Thanks for this unit, Aaglo!!!!

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Magnificent! I'll be honest, I wasn't sure if you were ever going to do this. Thank you!