Next target in the war aginst terror: Somalia ?

[knowltok3]

Knowitok 3 WHEN I said I thought it was funny people never made a fuss about N.Korea I am talking about those who hate the Western Action in Iraq. In N.Korea millions have died from famine in the past and we sat back and watched because that regime is an enemy of ours.

Ah, well in that case...

Because N. Korea is completely isolated, seems to want to stay that way, and has no major cause to hide behind (Israel v. Palestine). Also because those people love to criticize action more than inaction. If they criticize inaction, someone might just offer to let them do it. Criticizing action is much safer. All you have to do is point out anything that is not going 100% smoothly and claim that it is clear evidence of the wickedness of those acting.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by Whiskey Priest
Sorry about the original angry post. My numbers were wrong. In 1999 the US owed 1 billion dollars to the UN, not 10 billion. and since they have negotiated the repayment. Sorry about the old info. Anyway, why shouldn't the US pay for 25% of the UNs budget? They control 27% of the worlds wealth.

The United Nations services enemy nations. Read Pat Buchanan's Right From The Beginning. We should just kick them out of the U.S. now. Anything they can do from New York, they can do from New Delhi.

 

[ComradeDavo]

The United Nations services enemy nations

That sounds rather paranoid

 

[amadeus]

How do you explain Stalinist North Korea, or providing aid to Slobodan Melosevic's regime, where they get food -- from US, and can build more expensive weapons because of our good intentions?

 

[VoodooAce]

Originally posted by rmsharpe


The United Nations services enemy nations. Read Pat Buchanan's Right From The Beginning. We should just kick them out of the U.S. now. Anything they can do from New York, they can do from New Delhi.

RM, now I understand. Your a disciple of Pat Buchanan. I thought you were just mean spirited.

Come on, guy. Are you actually referring us to Pat Buchanan?!?!?!?!

This guy has provided me with some measure of troubled amusement the last 2 or 3 weeks, making appearances promoting his newest book about how everything's all screwed up and how it's the fault of those that are, er, not white.

His newest way of putting it is, instead of saying white people, he says people of European descent. Same old rascist, biggoted, selfish, slimy Pat Buchanan.

He, and those that agree with him, are what is wrong with the world today.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that guy were the freakin' anti-christ himself....

 

[VoodooAce]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
How do you explain Stalinist North Korea, or providing aid to Slobodan Melosevic's regime, where they get food -- from US, and can build more expensive weapons because of our good intentions?

Hey, RM, how do you explain the fact that the Taliban's largest financial supporters in their existence has been the United States, huh? Huh?

Sh!t, George II just gave him 40 freakin' million dollars in May....about four months before the flew a plane into the WTC.

Interesting, eh?

Yup, yup, yup, yup.....although I don't think the Taliban used that $40 mil on food, bro.

I guess this falls under the typical reasoning I've seen a lot of since 9/11 where what is wrong for the rest of the world is OK of the US does it.

 

[amadeus]

Of course we funded the Taliban. We also funded Iraq.

I'm talking about good intentions via the United Nations.

We provide the military aid that would work in our favor, obviously! Any other country with our status would do so.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Not Pat...not again! Too many wars with PAT disciples for this little kitten to enter another!

 

[scorch]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
Scorch, no one is going to start bombing France, and you know why?
The state of France is not terrorist. The Rainbow Warrior is ancient history, and the affair was not open and shut.
As for your crass attempt at a trollish allusion to US support for terrorism, that topic has been covered ad infinitum.

Ok, so the war against terror only counts for instances when the state is a terrorist organisation? eg. the taliban.
Thats hardly a war against terror. Im not the smartest cookie in the jar, but sounds like thats only a few selected countrys. eg. afghanistan.

 

[SunTzu]

Terrorist countries.
Afghanistan
Iraq
Phillipines
Somalia
those are countries that we're most likely going to go in and get the terrorist.
We're working with the Phillipine G'ment.
Indonesia is another country.
We won't attack France because their government will go after the terrorist you moron.

 

[atawa]

Originally posted by SunTzu
Terrorist countries.
Afghanistan
Iraq
Phillipines
Somalia
those are countries that we're most likely going to go in and get the terrorist.
We're working with the Phillipine G'ment.
Indonesia is another country.
We won't attack France because their government will go after the terrorist you moron.

Nah, you wont attack france couse they use the same state-terrorism the US uses you moron

 

[knowltok3]

Originally posted by atawa


Nah, you wont attack france couse they use the same state-terrorism the US uses you moron

Come on now, both of you drop the moron bit.

I'm glad to see that France is as evil as the US, and would like to know what other nations I can identify with. Which other nations use State Terrorism. Currently the list proffered by the group looks like this:

Afganistan
Iraq
Phillipines
Somalia
France
The United States


Everyone please feel free to add to this list and let me know if I missed any from some of the above posts.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

"Ok, so the war against terror only counts for instances when the state is a terrorist organisation? eg. the taliban.
Thats hardly a war against terror. Im not the smartest cookie in the jar, but sounds like thats only a few selected countrys. eg. afghanistan."

CORRECT, Mr. Cookie! When a government supports a terrorist group, it is taken out, like was done in Afghanistan. Where it joins the fight against terror, such as the Phillipines and Pakistan, it is aided and brought into the fold. Simple enough, I should think.

The primary objective is the terrorist organizations and those who aid them, such as the deceased Taliban state. This is a war on terror. It is not going out and bombing everyone that everybody thinks is a terrorist, because the definitions are different for different people. Rather, it follows the general will of the international civilized community.

What is the rationale for labelling France or the US a terrorist state, and what course of action is prescribed?

Terrorist groups everywhere are targetted, and those nations that give them support or haven join in their fate. Easy enough to comprehend, even for a self confessed silly cookie

 

[atawa]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
CORRECT, Mr. Cookie! When a government supports a terrorist group, it is taken out, like was done in Afghanistan. Where it joins the fight against terror, such as the Phillipines and Pakistan, it is aided and brought into the fold. Simple enough, I should think.

Ehm, Pakistan for years aided (with US knowledge) terrorist groups in India (like the one that tried to blow up the Indian congress), only after India threatened to nuke the country are they willing to stop the aid.
Only reason they got away with it for this long is that they are a strategic partner for the US in the region and the US needed them for the masacre in Afganistan.

Another couple for the state terrorism list:

Russia (most ex-USSR country's actualy)
Iran
Nigeria
Israel
China
Zimbabwe

and the list goes on and on.........

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Pakistan was given an ultimatum by the US, and complied. Its actions have further improved in the past week with its crackdown on militants.
India did not threaten to nuke them, as it was so crudely put, but did imply that conventional armed action might be taken, a situation where India's superior numbers would be brought to bear.
One does believe that the US and other powers would have actively prevented any conflict going nuclear anyway, but that is supposition on a forgone hypothetical on ones behalf.

It is true that Pakistani support of Islamic militants in the region, through its intelligence service and military, was tacitly condoned for a while, but the alternative to this was Soviet control of the area.
India also is not completely blameless.
But, that is realpolitik for you.


As for the employment of the word "masacre", one must assume that you are either bereft of your senses or quite mad. There has been no massacre, except of the fleeing Taliban and Al-Qaeda terrorists who lost the war. It must have come as a terrible disappointment to some that the war has been prosecuted in such a successful manner.
Everyone was looking forward to dragging out the "quagmire" and "Vietnam" referrences, and were desparately looking for some US failure to delight about, but those damn spoilsports went and did the so called impossible, and overran the country.
Note the reactions of the people once they were liberated from the Taliban. The opposition forces are no paragons of virtue, but the Taliban make them look like the veritable bees knees!

But some people will always look for supposed massacres and atrocities in order to justify their own worldview.

The list can go on and on, so what is to be done, hmm?
As for Zimbabwe, I will comment further on that in a separate thread.

 

[Gruntboy]

I agree with Darkshade - he says it most eloquently.

"State" terrorism? All in the eye of the beholder. One man's freedom fighter yadda-yadda-yadda.

Basically, you have to put this in perspective. The USA is right . We (sorry "they" ) are not going to have any moronic ideas about bombing France or Greece becasue these countries did not actively support a terrorist attack on US soil.

America does not commit acts of terror. It destroys those that do.

 

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Gruntboy
We (sorry "they" ) are not going to have any moronic ideas about bombing ... Greece becasue these countries did not actively support a terrorist attack on US soil.

However, Greece does give tacit support to a terrorist group that murders British citizens in cold blood.

 

[knowltok3]

Afganistan
Iraq
Phillipines
Somalia
France
The United States
Russia (most ex-USSR country's actualy)
Iran
Nigeria
Israel
China
Zimbabwe
Greece
Pakistan

And the list grows. I'm not going to put any on myself, but I will suggest a few to see if anyone says yes to them:

The UK
N. Korea
Spain
Serbia
Turkey
Syria
Lebanon
Lybia
Algeria
Ireland

So, anyone out there label these as terrorist nations?

 

[atawa]

Originally posted by Gruntboy
America does not commit acts of terror. It destroys those that do.

Hmm and off course you ae going to say that the Nigaraguan contra's didnt have the help of American 'advisors'

And cia interrogators in Afganistan brought prisoners back to their cell when they gave their name, rank and serialnumber

I understand that fighting dirty wars is sometimes neceserry to protect ones 'strategic interets' but at least be honest about it

Ireland why did you put it on the list? They dont support the IRA if thats what you mean.

I agree with the rest of you suggestions, and have a couple more:

Croatia
Macedonia
Syria (couldnt we just say the whole middle east?)
Birma
Rumania
Bulgaria
Rwanda
Congo (both of them)
Burundi
Sudan
Lybia
Marocco

 

[knowltok3]

Afganistan
Iraq
Phillipines
Somalia
France
The United States
Russia (most ex-USSR country's actualy)
Iran
Nigeria
Israel
China
Zimbabwe
Greece
Pakistan
The UK
N. Korea
Spain
Serbia
Turkey
Syria
Lebanon
Lybia
Algeria
Croatia
Macedonia
Burma
Rumania
Bulgaria
Rwanda
Congo (both of them)
Burundi
Sudan
Lybia
Morocco

The reason I suggested Ireland is because many times the US gets blamed for turning a blind eye to Irish communities sending money to the IRA (And has been called a terrorist nation for this). I figure it is possible that the same thing happens in Ireland. I don't have any proof, and that is why they are not on the list of what other people have labeled Terrorist Nations. I figure someone will agree with them, but maybe not. As I said, I'm not going to put anything on the list myself, just suggest posibilities.