Nice - The Gang War Spreads

[G-Man]

I didn't call you that because you are against my opinions but beacuse you blamed a jew of going to a jewish holy spot when muslims didn't like it. Israel has the freedom of religion and no one can blame anyone for going to a worshiping site.

Also, by cmoparing Sharon to Bin Laden you're making a fool of yourself. Sharon didn't target any civilians and he did a lot more then anyone else to bring peace to the region.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by G-Man
The Palestinians aren't punished. They, like the Israelis, are victims of Arafat's decision not to fight terrorism, that forced Israel to fight terrorism by itself.

Sure, those kids who were killed weren't ordinary palestinians, they were evil terrorists.

Seems like lot of ¤#)% is coming from the Israel.
What I've read and watched, everybody there except Arafat wants war.
Call them Arafat a bad terrorist.
He just doesn't control his troops.

Darn. Why couldn't those freaking palestinians just **** off from Israel?
What is so important in that land? Geez, mad people.

 

[VoodooAce]

G-Man, are you even the least bit willing, even for a second, to admit that Israel has NOT been 100% right and the Palestinians have not been 100% wrong???


What do you see as an ACCEPTABLE resolution? The Palestinians just leave? Or just stay where the Israelis say it's alright to stay? And get out of where you say to get out?

Don't get me wrong (ONCE AGAIN if feel the need to qualify my statements....wouldn't want to be branded a Nazi or anything ) I understant the Israeli plight, as well. I do understand that the Palestinians, if half of Palestine is what they want, should have taken the original deal in 1948 and kept their hands to themselves. They didn't and got spanked.

And setting bombs off in crowded marketplaces is as dispicable as it gets. Can't overstate that last line enough. BUT, the Israelis have been JUST like them, diplomatically. Right wingers on both sides want their cake, and want to eat it too.

You have to be realistic and accept a free Palestine, and NO you can not dictate ALL of the terms, which is Sharon's idea of a good peace.

 

[G-Man]

If for you 100% right is to follow the UN like zombies then no, Israel hasn't been 100% right. The Palestinians? I don't have anything against them. Arafat? He must be 0% everything, as he hasn't done anything since the Oslo agreements.
An ACCEPTABE solution will be that Arafat will not call terrorists heroes and won't tell his people to fight for lands like he did today. Instead he should fight terrorism. Then both sides can go back to the negotiating table and decide on a solution. But not by killing civilians.
It's true that there are right wingers on both sides. But in Israel they have to surrender to popular opinions, while in the PA they do whatever they want. Just look at the stats: 2 terror acts against Palestinians that were immedietly investigated by the Israeli police.
2,000 terror act against Israel, 400 of them BY Palestinian police men.

 

[VoodooAce]

Well.......I guess I can't disagree with anything there......mostly cuz you didn't say a whole lot ...and didn't really answer my question.

That's ok, though, it's not like I would ever be able to change your mind, or get you to look at this objectively. Your feelings are, I'm sure, quite ingrained, as are those who oppose you, and that's why, 25 years from now we'll either be having the same discussion, or we'll be talking about Israel, or Palestine, in historical terms.

I'm sure the latter would be just fine for you, and the former just fine for the Palestinians.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by G-Man
(..)Just look at the stats: 2 terror acts against Palestinians that were immedietly investigated by the Israeli police.
2,000 terror act against Israel, 400 of them BY Palestinian police men.

Just for the record; link for somewhere or say in where did you watched/read this.
Just for the record.

 

[PinkyGen]

Originally posted by VoodooAce
G-Man, are you even the least bit willing, even for a second, to admit that Israel has NOT been 100% right and the Palestinians have not been 100% wrong???


What do you see as an ACCEPTABLE resolution? The Palestinians just leave? Or just stay where the Israelis say it's alright to stay? And get out of where you say to get out?

I'm not G-man, nor can I speak for him. However, I don't believe anyside can be 100% right. However, I do believe Israel is generally right.

As for an acceptable solution, personally, I am fine with giving them Gaza, West Bank. I'm even willing to let them control half of the Old City (though not the entire thing, the thought if Israel handing back the West Wall is ludicrous). Basically, what was offered at Camp David. (P.S. A majority of the Israeli public would disagree on what to hand back, they would want less).

However, in order for the above solution to take affect, the Palestinians need to stop the violence before, not after, any more land is handed over to them. This means no more suicide bombings, no stone throwing at Israeli police and army units, no sniping, no mortar fire. I would not surrender land without this activity stopping.

If the Palestinians stop the violence, negotiations can continue. If they continue to use their land to launch attacks against Israel, then they are a threatening Israel's security, and should be dealt with. The ball is in their court, not Israel's.