NiNES: A Broken Galaxy

“What, what? WHAT JUST HAPPENED?!!!”

“That’s right sir. Our political analysts were incorrect. The issues with the GTE have been resolved, making our resistance pointless.”

Mica sighed and shook his head. “We’d still be at a disadvantage as a member, we wouldn’t be able to progress without being obligated to some higher power, giving up our sovereignty.”

Hannah nodded, and then replied. “Yes, but we’d be left out in the cold if we were the only nation to reject the GTE. Everyone else would get a bunch of free techs, while we were left on our own with our meager resources and try to struggle along. Ever since we’ve learned of the existence of so many other factions, despite not having contact with them, things have heated up. We can’t afford to be left behind. We won’t survive.”

Mica got up and walked over to a specially marked corner of his office. There was a red circle painted on the wall and a sign that read “STRESS RELIEF CENTER: BAND HEAD HERE”. He did so.

Repeatedly

“There is a possibility to undo this. So long as the NDAs are respected, there really is no problem. NAMgp has joined the GTE, and we have unconfirmed and admittedly unreliable reports that we will be protected from the forced influence of larger nations like the USC or the Emergents. With possible aid and safeguards, these checks and balances, it might be safe to join. Compromise Mica, compromise. Without it, politics would have capitulated years ago.”

“I don’t know…I still don’t like it…”

There was a knock at the door. “Come in.” Mica waved dejectedly at the door as he walked back to his seat and sat back down. The newly elected Foreign Minister Richard Mitchell walked in. The presence of Mitchell would mean more news, and hopefully nothing pessimistic. Aaron could not take bad news at the moment.

“We have just received news from the representatives of NAMgp that they would be willing to sponsor us in entry to the GTE should we be interested. It seems we are not being expected to keep a hard line at all.”

Mica nodded. “Very well then, I guess the universe has decided for me. We will accept this sponsorship and join the GTE on the conditions that it respects all NDAs and there is no toting of economic or scientific power whatsoever. We will pull out if we feel the GTE is not working out in an acceptable fashion. We WILL NOT be vassals. We WILL NOT give in to corporate influence (for surely this is corporate in nature, it is all economics). We will defend our freedoms no matter the cost. If we must slay the giant, so be it. God is on our side.

“Very well. It shall be done.” Both Mitchell and Hannah left Mica’s office. The GTE, on paper, was promising, but Mica knew better than to trust it. Their entry would be tentative and risky. He was ready to pull out at the first sign of trouble.

Politics was a risky business.
 
OOC: To the interested said parties, do the deals still hold with the whole GTE business?
 
I think we need a list of people who are in on GTE

..but so far it sounds like most people

not good
 
From: NAM
To: Emergents
CC: Wideband


It has come to our attention that you sold AI technology to Shurrai Heavy Industries in the last year. AI technology was sold to you under an explicit and clear Non-Disclosure Agreements in year 5 of the new era. You have not offered compensation or even notified us of this sale. Explain please.

(Charging angry rhetoric...)
 
From the Magistracy of Capella
To the Emergents
CC: Wideband transmission


Apparently, Biomaterials obtained was traded out to Shuurai Heavy Industries last year as well. <Insert rhetoric similar to Dis'>

p/S: Please acknowledge the 2 PMs I sent reagrding the G-whatever
 
OOC: I'm sorry - going to http://abelkonkurransen.no/indexe.php finals on wednesday (best 20 in norway), test tomorrow - send your demands for fixing the GTE to Niklas, I acquiesce to removing any given technology you'd like to complain about - the Emergents are hereby in IC anarchy, which I think is the closest parallell to what's going on now that I can't take care of things. Orders will be sent to Niklas within a few hours. My apologies again for wrecking both game balance and alleged NDA, though I tried to remove most tech - have Elerium Fusion as compensation from the new government of the Emergents being formed. Gah. What a mess.
 
OOC: I'm sorry - going to http://abelkonkurransen.no/indexe.php finals on wednesday (best 20 in norway), test tomorrow - send your demands for fixing the GTE to Niklas, I acquiesce to removing any given technology you'd like to complain about - the Emergents are hereby in IC anarchy, which I think is the closest parallell to what's going on now that I can't take care of things. Orders will be sent to Niklas within a few hours. My apologies again for wrecking both game balance and alleged NDA, though I tried to remove most tech - have Elerium Fusion as compensation from the new government of the Emergents being formed. Gah. What a mess.

Good luck with your final man!

On another and distinctly meaner note; we already have elerium fusion, as you sold it to us last turn (for quite a high price might i add). This is a reason why I believe the GTE to be quite hard to work - keeping track of things and actually making the system just requires an immense amount of work as opposed to system of one-on-one trades.

On that note we propose a agency (The Interstellar Copyright Agency perhaps) be set up, hosted in the neutral sol system of course, where by factions may transmit the details of their one-to-one trades to a public archive; ensuring NDA are recorded and hopefully respected as they are generated.
 
I would just like to note that from my point of view, the GTE will be no different from any other tech deal in that you will need to include all info regarding ins and outs in your orders. It would be quite impossible for me to keep up with otherwise. ;)

Now, carry on, as you were! Three days to deadline and one set of orders in. :scan:
 
I would just like to note that from my point of view, the GTE will be no different from any other tech deal in that you will need to include all info regarding ins and outs in your orders. It would be quite impossible for me to keep up with otherwise. ;)

Now, carry on, as you were! Three days to deadline and one set of orders in. :scan:

Whats sols opinon on my proposal?
 
I agree as well

shelve it until it's less of an administrative mess and we can get our heads clear

for now we need to work on our other diplomacy and write some stories! How many have we had this turn anyways? Not many

so off I go...although I will have a busy week as well
 
OOC: Since it's shelved for this turn, all parties, the agreements stay in their pre-GTE ideals correct??
 
germanicus, can you respond to the PM I sent you a few days ago?

Sent, I must of overlooked it, I got alot of PM's in the last few days so... Sorry.
 
[whole post OOC]
Finally found time to get around to some posting. Gah, the OOC situation is a mess. The IC situation, as far as I can see, is that certain factions made rather baseless demands of the Emergents, who tried to be nice and respect these, which was probably a bad move as it gave them legitimacy. Notwithstanding the retroactivity, there are also things like [wiki]illegal prime[/wiki]s which can be used to point to information without sending it. Assuming that [wiki]Sloane's[/wiki] continued to grow, the core of any technology will be already published in computer-readable form. Any NDA requiring that one not refer to or use (prime) numbers that could be interpreted a given way would be quickly reduced to ridicule by the development of an esoteric programming language using the words "one", "two" and so on as values, but the characters "1", "2" to refer to long strings describing how to implement a technology, and then one couldn't use those numbers. I could spend a page on this and other methods.

Also, the criticism of the GTE -
Nylan said:
OOC:

Not like it's worth much, but I would have opposed this whole GTE even if I had to see Kalia burned to ashes around me. I refuse to be a vassal state in any sense. If I cannot overcome my late-start through other means, then so be it.

I'm not "playing to win"
- appears to be based largely on projection and Symphony D's "tip of the hand". I already quoted the reason that I thought of the GTE, and that was to avoid having smaller factions be in any way dependent, vassals, subordinate, or anything of the sort, by giving them more technology than they could research on their own, in exchange for a minimal benefit to me as well and a way to keep other parties interested. So Nylan has completely the wrong end of the stick. :p

The Emergents are still giving out PP - I'll repeat and confirm this here, since alex asked me again if I was still giving this.
10PP to U.S.C for signing a peace agreement.
5PP to Nekomi for signing a peace agreement when being the aggressor.
10PP to UPNCS so "that Sol itself may receive the aid and support necessary to rebuild itself".
10PP to the Ascendancy of Guangdong to aid them in their ******** development
10PP to the Confederacy of Kalia for similar reasons
There are absolutely no restrictions on the use of this, nor conditions, nor is this an attempt to vassalize anyone in anyway. It's the good old Machinean principle at work - more independent researchers that I can trade with means more technology available to me, so it benefits me to encourage others' development if I have a reasonable chance of them being willing to trade with me. This works in return, of course, because when I encourage someone's development, they're usually willing to trade with me. :)

Quick Q&A:
Q: Am I planning to invade BananaLee?
A: You bet. I plan to invade everyone.
Q: Do I intend to invade BananaLee?
A: No.
Q: Am I playing to win the game?
A: No. Near-winning the game with the GTE as Symphony suggested was accidental.
Q: Am I going to continue helping minor factions?
A: I will continue helping anyone who can convince me that they deserve it.
Q: Will I be attempting to force anyone to go along with me?
A: No, el Machinae's philosophy suggests that this is counterproductive in the long run, and it's better to pay people to be independent. What I will be doing is making it profitable for people to go along with me in a way that I also profit from.
Q: Can I put that another way?
A: Yes.
If you love something, set it free.

If it comes back, it was and always will be yours.

If it never returns, it wasn't yours to begin with.

If It Just Sits In Your Living Room
Messes Up Your Stuff,
Eats Your Food,
Uses Your Telephone,
Takes Your Money, And
Never Appears That
You Actually Set It Free In
The First Place
You Either Married It
Or Gave It Birth!

alex said:
OOC: Since it's shelved for this turn, all parties, the agreements stay in their pre-GTE ideals correct??
Correct. Bit of a shame. Take some time negotiating on the other forum. http://creativewriting.forum5.com/


On a complete tangent, I have a strong feeling that there will now be a black market run by NDA-violating factions - one front man to trade for things honestly, one fencer who gets it from the front man, and the fencer trades it on to everyone else. Oh dear, now I'm going to be semisued for giving people ideas.


Now...
Symphony said:
We'll sweep any past abuses on either side under the carpet like they do in the comics and proceed from here.
Niklas said:
Now, carry on, as you were!
Symphony said:
[THERE ARE NO TIME POLICE]
I'm with these!
 
^*coughforgetthisuntilfridaycough*
 
Notwithstanding the retroactivity

Mine and BananaLee's were not. And you still sold it on to your own profit. I don't have the time to point out the gaps in your arguement. I've already offered a solution to NDA breaking rings (to absolutely no response alas) on this very page.

Also complete deletion of the arguement (and symphonys points) before others (such as myseflf ;)) can read it is classy.

Quickly - the point of a NDA is not that you can't pass it on, its that you won't
This is a 'game' or simplification of a possible reality, your point about technological diffusion via information pointers is moot. As the rules go if you don't want to pass on tech you don't have too, if you agree to a NDA in good faith then you can keep it.
 
*coughseemypreviouspostcough*

Why can't we be friends? ;)

at least until the turn update
 
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