No good comes of calling the cops

[Timsup2nothin]

I certainly think it is about time we tore down this "white society" mentality: Trayvon Martin, Ferguson, Baltimore, and now Charleston twice in about two month.

Charleston church shooter in cell next to former cop who killed black man

It is simply not safe in our society if your skin color is even as dark as Michael Jackson.

Not that it is any safer for Hispanics armed with a towel. He should know better than to have his arm in any direction which was even close to pointing at the cops.

If whites were in danger of being shot by cops this easily, this recurring national problem would have been fixed long ago.

If whites knew it. The problem as I see it is that as long as we keep the focus on "the problem with law enforcement and criminal justice is a race thing" it reduces the chances of white people, who are still the main power block in this country like it or not, from being really concerned about it. If we could just stop talking about race long enough to point out that the cops are running amok and that is a problem for everyone maybe we could get to work on solving it.

 

[JollyRoger]

Where are the "if you just follow orders you will be fine" crowd? It was a justified shooting. They told him to drop a gun, he didn't drop one. Not actually having one to drop is of course no excuse.

Sort of like Saddam and WMD.

 

[Formaldehyde]

If whites knew it. The problem as I see it is that as long as we keep the focus on "the problem with law enforcement and criminal justice is a race thing" it reduces the chances of white people, who are still the main power block in this country like it or not, from being really concerned about it. If we could just stop talking about race long enough to point out that the cops are running amok and that is a problem for everyone maybe we could get to work on solving it.

Cops already know better than to shoot at whites like they do blacks and Hispanics. Until that happens, which it won't, far too many whites are simply not concerned at the "collateral damage".

Furthermore, it is a "race thing". We aren't fooling anybody by trying to pretend it isn't. The US continues to suffer from institutional racism, while many conservatives claim anybody who even mentions it are the real racists.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Cops already know better than to shoot at whites like they do blacks and Hispanics. Until that happens, which it won't, far too many whites are simply not concerned at the "collateral damage".

Furthermore, it is a "race thing". We aren't fooling anybody by trying to pretend it isn't. The US continues to suffer from institutional racism, while many conservatives claim anybody who even mentions it are the real racists.

Clearly the LACSD needs further education. They really don't seem to have any problem with shooting at white people.

I agree with you that there is certainly institutional racism. I also don't really disagree that even though they do shoot plenty of white people the cops are more free and easy about shooting people of color so there is an element of racism to the problem. That doesn't change my opinion that continuing to paint the problem with the police abusing authority as a race problem actually delays solving it.

 

[Formaldehyde]

LACSD? LA county sanitation district? Ah, you must mean LASD.

Do you have any examples of them shooting unarmed non-Hispanic whites?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

LACSD? LA county sanitation district? Ah, you must mean LASD.

Do you have any examples of them shooting unarmed non-Hispanic whites?

LACSD=Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department...and yeah, there are enough examples of them shooting unarmed white people around here. Probably not the 30% that would make it "fair representation" but enough that most white people know they aren't immune. Unfortunately, much like Ferguson the white minority does totally control the city governments and as long as the deputies don't shoot people in the gated communities they are fully supported no matter what they do.

 

[Atticus]

I read they're investigating the man's past, in case this would be a 'suicide by cop'.

If so, the man must be an idiot: waving a towel is probably the worst possible method to get police shoot you.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I read they're investigating the man's past, in case this would be a 'suicide by cop'.

If so, the man must be an idiot: waving a towel is probably the worst possible method to get police shoot you.

Mostly they are just looking for something our endless supply of cop apologists can latch onto in order to support a "well we are just as well off without him, no harm done by an innocent mistake" position.

He wasn't really waving the towel, it was wrapped around his arm. The general theory is that he had injured his arm somehow and thought the police could help him. They certainly took his mind off of his problem with his arm, though blowing it out of his head for him certainly sets a new standard of service.

 

[Commodore]

I love the double standard on this forums when it comes to cops.

Cop shoots and kills someone: This forum lights up with threads expressing outrage at the "blue menace".

Someone calls cops then murders the officer that responds in a planned ambush: Silence.

Given that, I can only conclude this forum is perfectly okay with people being murdered, as long as the people being murdered are part of an organization they oppose.

 

[Atticus]

Wow! That's a conclusion!

Are you ok with all the murders you haven't made a fuss about?

 

[Commodore]

Wow! That's a conclusion!

Are you ok with all the murders you haven't made a fuss about?

I do make a fuss about the ones I am aware of. It's kind of hard for me to get worked up about something I didn't even know happened though, now can I?

The murder of a Cincinnati police officer made national news though, and I brought it up earlier in this thread, yet no one has seen fit to even acknowledge it happened. Yet mere moments after a cop kills someone there is already a thread here with 50 replies.

 

[Formaldehyde]

If more cops had only completely overreacted and killed even more innocent blacks and Hispanics, this sort of ambush, which thankfully occurs incredibly rarely, would not have occurred.

All that is missing from this latest case is an official statement from the police department stating that all departmental policies were followed explicitly by the officers, since there is no actual video evidence of the killing that is not in their complete control.

 

[Atticus]

I do make a fuss about the ones I am aware of. It's kind of hard for me to get worked up about something I didn't even know happened though, now can I?

The murder of a Cincinnati police officer made national news though, and I brought it up earlier in this thread, yet no one has seen fit to even acknowledge it happened. Yet mere moments after a cop kills someone there is already a thread here with 50 replies.

Ok, but I don't think you're conclusion is warranted.

Police violence makes more noise, since it's a symptom of the system not working. The other violence, it's the reason why the system was built in the first place, so that way it's "ordinary".

Someone just getting killed, it's of course not a joyful thing, but usually there's not much to say about it, just that it's unfortunate.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I do make a fuss about the ones I am aware of. It's kind of hard for me to get worked up about something I didn't even know happened though, now can I?

The murder of a Cincinnati police officer made national news though, and I brought it up earlier in this thread, yet no one has seen fit to even acknowledge it happened. Yet mere moments after a cop kills someone there is already a thread here with 50 replies.

I've been saying for a long time that if the cops keep up their pace sooner or later the citizens will start shooting back. Maybe Cincinnati is first over the tipping point, though I'd have expected Cleveland.

 

[classical_hero]

I wonder why they didn't shoot back when there was much more police violence back in the 60's?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I wonder why they didn't shoot back when there was much more police violence back in the 60's?

Probably because there wasn't.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I love the double standard on this forums when it comes to cops.

Cop shoots and kills someone: This forum lights up with threads expressing outrage at the "blue menace".

Someone calls cops then murders the officer that responds in a planned ambush: Silence.

Given that, I can only conclude this forum is perfectly okay with people being murdered, as long as the people being murdered are part of an organization they oppose.

Somebody kills a cop: Not completely unexpected for someone who intends to commit murder.

Cop kills a civilian who isn't doing anything illegal: Outrageous, because cops are supposed to protect civilians from the bad guys.

 

[Bill Shorten1]

I have to tell you, if police told me to drop a gun, I'd drop to the ground with my hands splayed to the sides whether I had a gun or not. What the actual hell?

Still, he didn't follow instructions. Clearly had it coming.

As for the ambushed cop, that is horrible. But it isn't what the thread is about. I'm sure the thread was about discussing the towel incident. Perhaps another thread could discuss police ambushes.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I have to tell you, if police told me to drop a gun, I'd drop to the ground with my hands splayed to the sides whether I had a gun or not. What the actual hell?

Still, he didn't follow instructions. Clearly had it coming.

As for the ambushed cop, that is horrible. But it isn't what the thread is about. I'm sure the thread was about discussing the towel incident. Perhaps another thread could discuss police ambushes.

That's a "sudden move" that would get you ventilated for sure.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Still, he didn't follow instructions. Clearly had it coming.

I see you have apparently viewed the video showing the entire incident, which none of the rest of us have seen yet. Got a URL?