NOTW LIII - Return to Ciretako [Game Thread]

[bladescape]

It's how I got Logic murdered night one of WW Classic 18. I know how to hunt village powers.

This is a classic 'I would've known, so it's obvious I'm not scum' play. Please Pizza.

 

[bladescape]

Now, Jarrema says KM claimed protector, and to have protected him a couple of times. This is why I asked if KM had claimed to anyone else, because I only have Jarrema's word for it.

So we're looking at two town protectors and two town roleblockers, or someone's telling porkies.

Well well, lookie here.

Confirmed KM as a Town Doctor.

Curious, two doctors in one game?

 

[bladescape]

Please Arakhor, if nothing else just take a look at what I just posted. There is no way Choxorn is doctor. 2 town doctors in one game is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Arakhor]

I think I will return to myself for Lieutenant.

You have a rather good point about choxorn, but we said the same about Jarrema and he turned out to be a machine. Why did you vote for Jarrema on Day Eight (post #679)? He claimed that ATPG was not organic.

 

[bladescape]

You have a rather good point about choxorn, but we said the same about Jarrema and he turned out to be a machine. Why did you vote for Jarrema on Day Eight (post #679)? He claimed that ATPG was not organic.

The "Organic/Not Organic" thing was about the PFK. Apparently Double A was scried as Not Organic too and he was still a Flip Hero team member. (See Jarrema on his final day for that piece of info)

I voted for Jarrema because, thinking Choxorn was doctor meant that I had a very narrow field for targets.

I cleared you and Chox in my mind, Pizza/Ried were both unlikely unless there was a big bus on Space (Which it turns out there was), and BSmith's buddying of Space hard on the end of the Day didn't really feel like scumpartners.

Coyosis was someone a lot of people considered town, and while I wasn't so sure of that I was not so confident in her scumminess that I was willing to fight that at the time. That left me with Jarrema by PoE, and he'd not really done anything very towny, while appearing VERY much to be a coasting wolf. The reasons were incorrect in the end, but that was my logic.

And what did we say about Jarrema that I'm saying about Chox?

 

[Arakhor]

It does seem odd that Jarrema, as the self-declared town network person and role-scanner has not yet been killed. Either the Mafia have had more important things to do every night or they believe that Jarrema is not a threat. Why might that be, do you think?

I mentioned elsewhere that they could have concluded he's no threat to them, but I don't see how they come up with that conclusion until it's too late. It's possible they thought he was protected, and therefore shot elsewhere.

I don't disagree that having two town role-blockers and two town doctors sounds excessive, but we don't know if Spaceman was a scum role-blocker or if he was just bluffing.

Earlier, ATPG claimed to be convinced that either Jarrema or Riedquat was scum and quite a long time ago claimed that choxon was obviously innocent. Then again, he also said that either Jarrema or you (bladescape) were scum, so yeah.

 

[choxorn]

Please don't. This is literally obvious. Let me outline 3 reasons why:

1. ATPG's towngame is very close to his scumgame. That's one thing I've always admired and one of the reasons it's fun to versus him. Him making a 'Town' QT with just you and his scumpartner isn't even that out there for him. Heck, it's outlandish enough that it's highly likely to happen with scum!Pizza

2. Chox HAPPENS to be blocked by the SCUM roleblocker on the night Winston dies. If he's actually doctor, WHY IS SPACE BLOCKING HIM AS SCUM ROLEBLOCKER? They would have to know Chox is doc, in which case, WHY IS CHOX STILL ALIVE?

3. I knew Chox was doctor before Winston's death. Why is he still alive if so.

You left me alive because you thought you could get me lynched. I looked scummy to people in the thread. Your plan just backfired.

How did you know I was a doctor before Winston's death?

Lastly, Myself for lieutenant.

 

[bladescape]

I don't disagree that having two town role-blockers and two town doctors sounds excessive, but we don't know if Spaceman was a scum role-blocker or if he was just bluffing.

Earlier, ATPG claimed to be convinced that either Jarrema or Riedquat was scum and quite a long time ago claimed that choxon was obviously innocent. Then again, he also said that either Jarrema or you (bladescape) were scum, so yeah.

Err, Jarrema states that he scried Double A as not-organic. It's quite likely that the scum-team worked out that he was searching for the PFK rather than the Scum-team. In which case there is no real reason TO kill him. Early on, after he added Double A, the scum had an inside ear, and there was no reason to cut a network they were inside. Then, after Double A was killed and flipped scum, Jarrema's network would half fall apart, and he would no longer be adding people based on scries.

I really don't see how Scum would've been forced to kill Jarrema in retrospect. It's something I perhaps should've realised on the day we were lynching him but I was also content with the town 'safe' group.

You actually raise a point about Space. But here's my counterpoint: Two doctors is a little over the top.

And if Space wasn't roleblocker and Chox IS doctor, why is Winston dead?

 

[bladescape]

How did you know I was a doctor before Winston's death?

Ignoring the idiocy of the idea of leaving a doctor lying around:

I was Winston's pet name-scrier. I was told not to scan Choxorn. I was also told he had a Doctor claimant. I worked it out from there and Winston told me I was correct.

Because actual townies might ask that question, I may as well clarify.

 

[Arakhor]

I don't know why Winston is dead, but presumably either the scum thought he was dangerous or they simply wanted to get rid of them. I don't know about Coyosis - she and I seem/ed to be the only two that people generally think are innocent.

 

[Arakhor]

Bracketed votes for the Lieutenant.

Choxorn --> Bladescape (Choxorn)
BSmith --> Choxorn (BSmith)
Askthepizzaguy --> Bladescape (Choxorn)
Arakhor --> Abstain Bladescape (Arakhor)
Riedquat --> <threatens to random vote> (BSmith)
Bladescape --> Choxorn (BSmith)

This seems to be a two-horse race. ATPG and choxorn are clearly a pair, but a pair of what? BSmith and bladescape seem to be pairing up as well, but I don't think that they're both scum. Riedquat, on the other hand, is playing it quietly, which is just as suspicious in itself.

 

[bladescape]

I don't know why Winston is dead, but presumably either the scum thought he was dangerous or they simply wanted to get rid of them.

Let me re-iterate: In a Town!Choxorn world. Why is Winston dead?

IF Space is roleblocker, they could've roleblocked Chox. But then, why is Chox alive if they knew he was doc?

IF Space wasn't a roleblocker, Chox claims to have been on Winston that night. HOW IS WINSTON DEAD.

 

[Arakhor]

I can think of two reasons - firstly, the Massacre Weapon can allegedly attack through protection, and secondly, I suppose it is possible that if we have a single scum, he too can attack through protection. Unfortunately, neither of those seem to apply.

 

[bladescape]

I can think of two reasons - firstly, the Massacre Weapon can allegedly attack through protection, and secondly, I suppose it is possible that if we have a single scum, he too can attack through protection. Unfortunately, neither of those seem to apply.

The massacre weapon wasn't on anyone at the time.

If it's solo scum then we have autowin here because Me/Chox, one of us has to be scum.

I'm 90% certain it's a 2-scum team of Pizza/Chox though.

 

[Arakhor]

Well, since it's definitely at least one of you three and people seem to think that I'm machine, why not vote for me for Lieutenant? That way, no suspect has a chance of being voted a tie-winning power.

 

[bladescape]

Because I'm, understandably, desperate to win this lynch. As of this moment, BSmith is voting with me, and therefore if Ried votes with me, I can still get Choxorn lynched.

While I do believe you're a machine, you're currently not voting with me, so I'm not exactly inclined to give you a power that could very well decide today's lynch. =P

 

[Arakhor]

Touché, mon ami.

 

[bladescape]

Pardonnez-moi mon égoïsme

 

[bladescape]

I guess this means my pleas have fallen on deaf ears and I am awaiting Riedquat to decide today's lynch.

 

[Arakhor]

I just don't know. I'm even less certain than I was at the start of the day, so even though we're not the lieutenants, it is up to Riedquat and me to determine the vote anyway.