NOTW LV: The Underground (Game Thread)

[Zack]

While we know Sprig's power, it could just be a secondary ability for killing with the caveat he can't pair anyone his teammates are targeting.

For the record, this also applies to Visorslash with his ability. He is not clear. The argument that applies to me (didn't kill last night to implicate Sprig) applies equally to Visorslash.

choxorn - Totally clear as far as I'm concerned. He killed an orc at night, the orcs tried to block him, the orcs tried to lynch him. Choxorn is not an orc.

Backwards Logic - Clear because he knew Sprig's odd night action before it was revealed in thread. Only way he's an orc is if Sprig/Visorslash is also an orc, and a 4-person orc team is not really worth considering at this point.

No one else is cleared, not even me. Sprig is the last orc 90% of the time, but that last 10% is NOT choxorn, it's Visorslash. In which case, through the use of his ability, he wins the game anyways without having to kill anyone. Which means it might be better to lynch Visorslash today and Sprig tomorrow.

 

[Visorslash]

Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Loooooooooooooooooooooool

 

[Visorslash]

Choxorn has higher str than me iirc

So even in this world where i am an orc i dont win automstically

 

[Visorslash]

You all literally told me not to hit anyone

And im never an orc here

 

[Visorslash]

That sounds suspisciously like you are setting up your argument at final three

 

[Zack]

Oh shut up. You've been "setting up your argument at final three" for how long? And not just the argument, the specific sequence of events. Don't give me that.

Anyone who dares sully your name is evil. You didn't give a sh*t about Jarrema until he voted for you. Everyone who's alive is a Visor yes-man except me, maybe that's for a reason.

Choxorn has higher str than me iirc

So even in this world where i am an orc i dont win automstically

Let's say you are the final orc and everyone else is town (unlikely, as I said it's 90% Sprig).

Sprig/Zack is lynched and revealed town. You sap away Sprig/Zack's strength so Sprig/Zack has no vote (because both Sprig/Zack have only 1 strength) [or since you have 2 strength you just kill them, but that's unlikely since it'd make you look bad]. You only need to convince one of choxorn/BL to vote Sprig/Zack and seal your victory.

It's basically automatic.

Neither me nor Sprig can take away somebody's vote like that, and we both have 1 strength so we can't kill anyone. We'd have to convince two other people to vote with us.

That said, this is overthinking it because Sprig is the last orc anyways.

 

[Zack]

It all comes back to choxorn killing Double A night 3. Look at how Kennigit and Sprig have responded to choxorn since then.

 

[Zack]

but I did like this boy:

If any of the killers are town aligned or even independent shoot me a pm

any news?

Kennigit seemed really interested in this, it's one of the few things he seemed to care about in thread (that and choxorn). Sprig also mentioned something about an "other killer" this phase.

 

[Zack]

I could be relatively gone the next 22 hours so I need to get my vote on the board

visorslash

at least for jarrema and sprig to clear up this confusion. I already asked visor about jarrema explicitly, seems to indicate there was nothing different about his [visor's] interaction with jarrema, but what do you mean sprig he hasn't behaved like you expected?

a scumteam isn't going to have everybody kill, actually some doubts in my mind on whether a SK can exist or not. There's probably what, 5 or 6 scum in 22?

So legato/jarrema/robbiecon got the combinations of death by poison/permanent? STR reduction/nightkills and zack xor choxorn probably just a straight up liar for involvement in one of those things?

Thats what it looks like to me

No voter stuff despite explicit gamehost mention?

Notice how Kennigit is throwing shade at me and Visorslash (and choxorn), while he asks "Sprig to clear up this confusion".

choxorn and BL are totally clear in my mind. I am never lynching them.

I am never voting for myself.

Visor is not totally clear, but after re-read I'm reducing the chance he's orc to like 5%.

It's Sprig. I'm not changing my vote today. Sprig is the orc.

 

[Zack]

I still maintain that zack

This was Ken's last post. He ignored my next question.

but that's incredibly lame and unconvincing

What are your thoughts on BL/Sprig?

Kennigit did not want to talk about Sprig.

 

[Zack]

What was your argument again? oh right bandwagon. Well if 1 vote is a bandwagon you're now just as guilty

landlubber was killed that night

 

[Zack]

The town version died. ala snerk 1.0

I am not sure how I feel about Visor... He hasn't behaviour in the expected manner and I'm still considering whether that is an indicator of anything.

How come this was dropped? What was Snerk 1.0's ability?

 

[Zack]

Midday Day 7​

The overwhelming sentiment in the morning seemed to be that the Sheaim refugee was not what he seemed, but lunch might have changed that.

Vote Tally
sprig:4-choxorn, Backwards Logic, Visorslash, Zack
zack:1- sprig

Day ends in [TIMER="8/27/2015 7:00 PM EDT; Day is Done"][/TIMER]​

Right now it's:

3 Sprig
(Visorslash, Zack, Backwards Logic, choxorn)

2 Zack
(Sprig, Visorslash)

 

[Zack]

the in thread argument on you isn't that great

you voting choxorn means literally nothing considering you had no vote (proven maybe?)

He was still trying to push it that way. It does not mean "literally nothing". He didn't try to contribute at all yesterday. That's not exonerating.

 

[Sprig]

someones flustered.

So its about 98% clear that Zacks the last orc now. You might as well just admit now zack since you can't win anyway.

 

[Sprig]

If you're really town and convinced me or choxorn is an orc, then it doesn't matter if you're lynched today, the town will still win. We'll have another 48 hours to discuss things, so why are you so concerned with getting all of that in today? Because you know the game ends with your death today?

I already addressed that point. if you want to pretend to ignore it that's fine. But i would rather lynch the orc (you) now than wait for the rest to do it tomorrow. It would spare a Townie from dying in the night too.

 

[Sprig]

Are you saying you're still blocked from doing any actions tonight? I thought Visor's strength reduction was only temporary? Shouldn't you have 1 strength tonight?

I have a hard time getting around the fact you were effectively roleblocked last night and there was no kill. The last time I doubted a roleblock that had that effect I almost let a scum off the hook (Newyn in NOTW LIV). I think doing so again would be a mistake here as well.

You are correct, but I left that as bait for Zack... My ability is far more terrifying for him that yours. He kills the wrong person he dies himeself and that gameover.

The issue at play is is none of you actually know that if I was blocked last night. You only got MY word for it. So you actually put far to much weight on it. I can recognize your reluctance but it not your standard, clear cut, this person is blocked = scum equation at all.

Think about it from an orc perspective. If your an orc do you rely on that I am telling the truth. I could be pretending about the block. THE STRONGEST PLAY LAST NIGHT WAS TO DO NOTHING.

The three clear reasons for this are:
a) To do anything risks being caughtout by my ability or yours.
b) Even if the kill succeded. An orc would now have to convince 3 townies that it wasn't them. rather than wighting for two.
c) Sprig's given a good reason to go after him if there is no kill.

Do you agree with that BL?

While we know Sprig's power, it could just be a secondary ability for killing with the caveat he can't pair anyone his teammates are targeting. I don't think we lose anyway tonight even if we're wrong and Zack has a kill. choxorn has an immovable three strength to Zack's one, so right there we're safe.

There is certainly no cravet on my ability. Its a bit of a stretch to Make that assumption.

The secondary ability applies to anyone so its has no weight as an arguments for or against.

 

[Zack]

What are your thoughts on visor?

 

[Zack]

On each player actually

 

[Sprig]

I am reluctant to help you prepare for your arguments tomorrow.

It is amusing you can't do it yourself because if you do, you're admitting guilt by acknowledging that I will flip town.

What I will say is that I had assumed either Visor & BL are both orc or none of them are. But on reflection that doesn't really hold up. Since having an ability doesn't clear anyone.

The only distrusting point of Visor that I can think of from the top of my head would a repeated attempt to get people to sacrifice their lives for the win. (You useing your claimed ability, lynching Chox just to use his claimed ability). but hey a wins a win. cherry on top if you can stay alive. Unless you subscribe to the 'Dead town always losers' theory.