NOTW XLIII - The Walkingdead!

Mayor's been inactive at night; he's been one of my Coffee scans. I don't know anything deeper than that on him. As for Verarde, in-thread deduction, plus his actions behind the scenes with me, point to his innocence. He's not cleared mind you, but he's closer than say johnhughthom who I know squat about.

We shouldn't go to the research lab yet. We're pretty close on clearing a few more players for having weapons, and handing off weapons to people blindly is a surefire way to get in some trouble. If this Joe guy does exist, the last thing I want to do is give him the means to start killing. As for any leads on who may be a Company Agent now, we have none. If we did, there'd be an accusation and a case in the thread already.
 
The point is that they look very likely to be on the same faction as Gone 3 the Celt and j65d were, so whatever additional evidence or conclusions you had applies to them too.

We had NinjaCow at least claiming that he, j65, Verarde, and mayor did share victory conditions. That's on top of the weirdness NinjaCow resisting zombie conversion, volunteering to die but not sharing more about the Authorities. Plus, looking back at when the thief stole ammo from Zack (few people knew Zack had it) it seems very likely NinjaCow was either purposefully responsible for that or at least leaking the information to Gone 3 the Celt and j65. We have Verarde claiming he needed to be voted a weapon because it's his speciality which is concerning given the hoarding of the others. Plus there are various suspicious posts people had already pointed out about "we're not a faction, and oh, changed my mind, we do have some goals" (in the same way this also went for the Farmers).

Basically, I don't think we have a good explanation at all for what we're caught up in here. A fight between the Farmers and Authorities? I don't even know whether to believe that "deed" exists is any better than the "serial killer" the authorities said they were after. The Farmers claim this "deed" is important and all of the Authorities including Verarde/mayor deny they were even aware of it or care, that's odd. I could see both groups having something like that and being bad at misleading the town, but I don't really see the relation to the zombies or progress we've made in that sense. We're still not aware of the evidence or follow up behind that unless you had more details to share.

Do you think Verarde and mayor were along with roughly a five person faction? (reasonable guess to me)

Or do you think Gone 3 the Celt and j65 were a lone serial killerish pair abusing the trust or cover of the others? (possible guess but their actions didn't seem to be the kill everyone type. It would be even weirder if those two were the only ones aware of the Farmer's deed or something)

Or do you think they were zombie-involved scum? (a rather poor guess to me, I'm not sure it's exactly necessary for us townies to even eliminate anyone besides Company Agents and zombies when we have good evidence to tie those groups together)

It's possible we can't answer any of these things at all, at least not without the parties involved volunteering information honestly, that's ok. It's also on whatever people's own shoulders if they can't defend themselves to the regular townies or can't get any of their factional goals done while we're trying to accomplish the main objective.

I was under the impression Bad Player knew about johnhughthom but if that's not the case worth a try. There's only a half-dozen at most I'd really think not to be Company Agents right now, it will take a while to piece that out.
 
The point is that they look very likely to be on the same faction as Gone 3 the Celt and j65d were, so whatever additional evidence or conclusions you had applies to them too.

Hard to say. Their deaths indicated being something other than what they seemed, and since we know both were undercover of sorts it doesn't mean they all share the exact same 'real' goals. I'm certain the Authorities have their own QT. I'd bet the farmers do as well. It doesn't mean that all of them share the same PG's/VC's whatever as the rest of their team. It just feels to me going down the route of lynching/killing all of the authorities is the wrong move.

We had NinjaCow at least claiming that he, j65, Verarde, and mayor did share victory conditions.

Still possible from what I've outlined above.

That's on top of the weirdness NinjaCow resisting zombie conversion, volunteering to die but not sharing more about the Authorities. Plus, looking back at when the thief stole ammo from Zack (few people knew Zack had it) it seems very likely NinjaCow was either purposefully responsible for that or at least leaking the information to Gone 3 the Celt and j65. We have Verarde claiming he needed to be voted a weapon because it's his speciality which is concerning given the hoarding of the others. Plus there are various suspicious posts people had already pointed out about "we're not a faction, and oh, changed my mind, we do have some goals" (in the same way this also went for the Farmers).

This is my theory on their team's construction:

Verarde/mayor/j6/Ninja have the Authorities QT. They're all blue, so that would be the logical thing to think here. Plus, you have j6 and Celt on a separate undercover team, perhaps even a 'mafia' team in the sense this mini-team's PG's/VC's whatever override their 'cover' VC's of Authorities and Survivor respectively. So Ninja posts in the QT where the ammo went after he got it, and then j6 flips that info to Celt, where he goes ahead and steals it. It should have been a red-flag in the Authorities camp when the theft happened, but for whatever reason it never went public.

Basically, I don't think we have a good explanation at all for what we're caught up in here. A fight between the Farmers and Authorities? I don't even know whether to believe that "deed" exists is any better than the "serial killer" the authorities said they were after. The Farmers claim this "deed" is important and all of the Authorities including Verarde/mayor deny they were even aware of it or care, that's odd. I could see both groups having something like that and being bad at misleading the town, but I don't really see the relation to the zombies or progress we've made in that sense. We're still not aware of the evidence or follow up behind that unless you had more details to share.

It could, it might not. My guess is it'd be at City Hall, if anywhere. If it's clear of zombies we could go there and check it out. As for any other info regarding the farmers/authorities connection, it is odd that both sides haven't confirmed they're both looking for it - one to keep it for themselves or whatever (farmers), and the other playing keep-away.

Do you think Verarde and mayor were along with roughly a five person faction? (reasonable guess to me)

Or do you think Gone 3 the Celt and j65 were a lone serial killerish pair abusing the trust or cover of the others? (possible guess but their actions didn't seem to be the kill everyone type. It would be even weirder if those two were the only ones aware of the Farmer's deed or something)

Answered above, but in a nutshell, the second option. No idea what their real VC could have been.

Or do you think they were zombie-involved scum? (a rather poor guess to me, I'm not sure it's exactly necessary for us townies to even eliminate anyone besides Company Agents and zombies when we have good evidence to tie those groups together)

Hard to say. One scan on Celt revealed him being pro-zombie. The same scan on j6 revealed strongly anti-zombie. Possibly something to do with their backstories, though we'll never know until after the game.

It's possible we can't answer any of these things at all, at least not without the parties involved volunteering information honestly, that's ok. It's also on whatever people's own shoulders if they can't defend themselves to the regular townies or can't get any of their factional goals done while we're trying to accomplish the main objective.

Basically, we need more information. I'm in the dark with regards to what camps are doing what, what the zombie team is up to, and who could possibly be Company, and even there I have no idea what their agenda is. Probably something along the lines of covering up the mess and eradicating the survivors, or they're the ones behind turning the world into the zombie apocalypse, or even a combo of the two.

Also, if anyone else wants to chime in, that'd be awesome. I'm open to ideas of who can do what, no matter how outlandish it may seem. We need conversation here, and silence doesn't do much. That means you guys, oh people of the aforementioned third-parties.
 
Player list fix!
Player List
1 - Sam - Kennigit
2 - Liam - Visorslash
3 - Mike Rush - BSmith1068 II
4 - Abe Peters - Choxorn
5 - Jethro - DaveShack
6 - Officer Roberts - mayor
7 - Kaden - Mat93
8 - Hannibal - Frozen In Ice II (FIIII)
9 - Miss Tokugawa - Bad Player
10 - Mr. Tokugawa - johnhughthom
11 - Timmy - TheForestAuro
12 - Hank O'Donnel - Verarde
13 - Jerry - Earthling
14 - Freddie - Mergle
15 - DarylPaine - classical_hero
16 - Jed - Seon
17 - Brad - Backwards Logic

Dead
1 - JuuL - Bsmith1068
2 - Zeb - General Olaf
3 - Shadrak - Turquoiside
4 - Officer Kelso - NinjaCow64
5 - Patrick - FrozenInIce
6 - Bruce - SouthernKing
7 - Britney - Autolycus
8 - KingArthur - landlubber
9 - Gen. Fullbright - j65536d
10 - Sgt. Paul 'Snake' Diego - Gone 3 The Celt
 
Actually, BL, I don't have the Authorities' QT. Do you have the link, or know someone who does? PM it or have them PM me.
 
No, it was just me speculating that all of you would have it. I find it odd you wouldn't though.
 
I've struggled to catch up with the game after not being able to log in to CFC for ages, I did let Bad Player know about my role, and what I have (or more pertinently haven't) been up to each night. Those of you who have played a decent number of games with me before will know I wouldn't lurk so blatantly as scum, nor would I use such out of game excuses for not posting much.

Bad Player knows my ability, I am happy to use it as he directs.
 
I agree with the distribution of items Earthling has proposed.;) Earthling Earthling Frozen in Ice Frozen in Ice Frozen in Ice.

I'd like to hear more about Bsmith, but the other Authority guys and TFA should still be looked at.
 
You led us here which is also zombie infested and we haven't even seemed to find the item(s) you were looking for.

actually I did get in. evidently it didn't go up for vote; it was my cache.

it improved my ability though. didn't provide info.
 
I think it's time that I revealed myself as a scanner and explain that j6 and gone3celt had decidedly bad sounding results whereas everyone else I scanned sound normal (I'm not revealing more about the scan).

I'd rather not lynch people and wait for scan results from BL (coffee) and myself before lynching anyone else.


I think we should stay away from zombie areas so that noone gets converted. I support arming everyone before we go to the zombies but I also want to clear people before arming them.


Does this sound reasonable to everyone?
 
classical_hero is still suspicious to me. Going to the research center should be a bad idea if locations parallel the scenario. I'd prefer staying here to going to the research center.
 
classical_hero is still suspicious to me. Going to the research center should be a bad idea if locations parallel the scenario. I'd prefer staying here to going to the research center.

It is one place we have to go find the source of the outbreak.
 
johnhughthom said:
I've struggled to catch up with the game after not being able to log in to CFC for ages, I did let Bad Player know about my role, and what I have (or more pertinently haven't) been up to each night. Those of you who have played a decent number of games with me before will know I wouldn't lurk so blatantly as scum, nor would I use such out of game excuses for not posting much.

Bad Player knows my ability, I am happy to use it as he directs.

You are Hannibal IIRC (formerly Darth Caesar) and I've scanned you so yeah I'm fairly confident that you're a townie.

I want to disclose that one of my 2 PG's (I didn't say I had 2 at start of game btw) is to keep Hannibal alive - though I wouldn't if I thought you were scum.

EDIT: These are the people I have scanned and seem to be innocent: Hannibal (FIIII), Liam (Visorslash) - probably innocent, Mike Rush (Gamezrule), Sam Hammer (Kennigit), Jerry (Earthling) - probably innocent, EDIT - I think I scanned Classical Hero last night (former chief of security with the Company) and he seems probably innocent.

J6 and Gone3Celt were bad scans, TFA is a bit weird but maybe not a bad scan.



Please stop lynching unscanned people!!! Let me at least scan JohnHughTom before lynching him!!!
 
We know from experience that going into zombie infested areas is likely to cause person/s to become zombie infected.

Earthling and Classical Hero, will you volunteer to be lynched if you get bitten as NinjaCow did? Innocent or not, Earthling your style is reckless and I have no leads (and ppl seem to want to have someone to lynch regardless).

I ask everyone else to vote for a different location to travel to before voting closes. Until a bandwagon on another location forms, I vote to stay here.
 
Staying here is a terrible option, this place is already being surrounded by zombies. We have to get out sometime and we're not ever going to have more people alive or more weapons from waiting around. I would still be fine with going to the Research Center Coastguard. Let's do that. It ought to be true if we get out and don't come back that maybe only one or two people will ever be in danger again from zombie infection, and that is manageable.

By the same reasoning if we choose that course we really should not ever plan to come back to the Research Center or any place not entirely cleared from zombies. We'll never have more people alive nor more weapons in innocent hands than we could now; better to even go to places we've already been if we lack options in the future.

I still don't know what to make of some people, and especially Bad Player and classical_hero continually insisting we have to resolve the zombie mystery; it's possible they really want to resolve their personal goals regardless of risk to the group. I don't see it being reasonable or worth attempting on its own to do something like lynch classical_hero and then decide based on that result whether we go to the Research Center. If people are actually in agreement, this idea has already been out there for a long time after all, we can simply aim to stay out of zombie territory and not plan anything weird until we eliminate the company agents and possibly other non-town groups. That's probably to the detriment of all the Authority/Farmer/former Company/whatever other non-vanilla groups there are but the townies have enough numbers to force it, if we're actually clear on what we're doing, and it could likely end our problems as well.
 
Earthling said:
Staying here is a terrible option, this place is already being surrounded by zombies. We have to get out sometime and we're not ever going to have more people alive or more weapons from waiting around. I would still be fine with going to the Research Center Coastguard. Let's do that. It ought to be true if we get out and don't come back that maybe only one or two people will ever be in danger again from zombie infection, and that is manageable.

By the same reasoning if we choose that course we really should not ever plan to come back to the Research Center or any place not entirely cleared from zombies. We'll never have more people alive nor more weapons in innocent hands than we could now; better to even go to places we've already been if we lack options in the future.

I still don't know what to make of some people, and especially Bad Player and classical_hero continually insisting we have to resolve the zombie mystery; it's possible they really want to resolve their personal goals regardless of risk to the group. I don't see it being reasonable or worth attempting on its own to do something like lynch classical_hero and then decide based on that result whether we go to the Research Center. If people are actually in agreement, this idea has already been out there for a long time after all, we can simply aim to stay out of zombie territory and not plan anything weird until we eliminate the company agents and possibly other non-town groups. That's probably to the detriment of all the Authority/Farmer/former Company/whatever other non-vanilla groups there are but the townies have enough numbers to force it, if we're actually clear on what we're doing, and it could likely end our problems as well.

Ok I'll vote to go to the coastguard. The OP of this thread is worth re-reading - maybe we can get more weapons and items to arm people.

I have 2 PG's - keep Hannibal alive and find out the responsible party for this outbreak.

I do not want unnecessary lynchings and I want as many people alive as possible with loaded guns so we can get into the research area and other hard areas!

Who thinks that we have enough loaded weapons to fight out way through LOTS of zombies?
 
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