NPR fires Juan Williams.

It can also be legally argued that since they chose not to do anything all the time Juan was on Fox, that they waived that part of the contract.

If he brings this to court that's what's gonna be argued. You can't just let things go over and over and then suddenly say "that's it, I've had enough, you're fired".

@DinoDoc below: exactly. Juan could have a viable lawsuit here.
 
The legal argument is that if someone has broken a company policy, been counseled against repeating it, and continues to do it regardless of further warnings, then that person has made the choice to be fired.
I don't think this situation is as clear cut as you seem to wish it to be. If they have established a pattern and/or practice of allowing their on air staff to violate those rules with impunity (I've shown that they have.), they can be assumed to be waived.
 
You can't just let things go over and over and then suddenly say "that's it, I've had enough, you're fired".

Actually you can do exactly that. A smart company will document rules infractions and issue warnings before terminating a productive employee, like Williams. It's my understanding that they have, in fact, issued a number of reprimands to him over the time of his employment. But even if they hadn't, an employer has the right to terminate an employee if they behave in a manner that conflicts with their professional standards.



If they have established a pattern and/or practice of allowing their on air staff to violate those rules with impunity (I've shown that they have.), they can be assumed to be waived.

Legal distinction here: an attorney representing the plaintiff in a wrongful termination suit can argue that the rules have been waived, but we don't have a legal basis (or authority) for assuming them to be waived.
 
Actually you can do exactly that. A smart company will document rules infractions and issue warnings before terminating a productive employee, like Williams. It's my understanding that they have, in fact, issued a number of reprimands to him over the time of his employment. But even if they hadn't, an employer has the right to terminate an employee if they behave in a manner that conflicts with their professional standards.

No they can't if they haven't issued official, documented warnings, and it's my understanding that they did not issue him any warnings of any kind.

They don't have the right to terminate someone for making a simple statement about how they feel, not even stating an opinion, just a personal feeling that btw takes on a different tone when you see the rest of what he said.
 
But since it does not show a liberal bias, the point is false and useless. No news organization is as fair to both sides as NPR.

Thats still just your opinion. I dont think the point false or useless at all.

The legal argument is that if someone has broken a company policy, been counseled against repeating it, and continues to do it regardless of further warnings, then that person has made the choice to be fired.

And your're sure that NPR can produce documented proof of said previous 'counselings'?
 
Semantics that do nothing to deal with the similar pattern of conduct NPR allows from employees other than Juan Williams.
Those individuals were apparently not "news analysts", which has already been pointed out. Have you found any information to contradict that, or are you just repeating the same apparently baseless claim over and over again?
 
1) Can you make a legal argument justifying his firing given that after years of going on pundit shows, he suddenly fired for going on a pundit show? That part of his contract clearly seems to have been waived due to non-action on the employers part.

2) If the firing is for what he said, can you make a legal argument justifying his firing given the examples listed earlier in this thread of conduct tolerated by NPR?
He is probably lucky to be have been a contract employee, because in the U.S., most non-contract employees will not get the benefit of either of those arguments in a U.S. court, they are just too liberal and anti-business.

Now, he probably has a contract, but there is likely a clause in it that states in so many words that blowing off a violation does not waive the right to crack down on it later (very standard boilerplate in U.S. business contracts of all types).

As to the second, that argument would likely not hold up either. The court woud look at the 4 corners of his contract and it likely does not have a clause that would help him out there, so we are back to basic U.S. labor law, which again, heavily favors a business over an employee. But I can feel you frustration with those arguments not getting anywhere, comrade.

Now given that Juan seems to hold some very conservative values, I don't even expect him to file a frivolous lawsuit asking for an activist judge to grant him a judically created windfall.
No they can't if they haven't issued official, documented warnings, and it's my understanding that they did not issue him any warnings of any kind.

They don't have the right to terminate someone for making a simple statement about how they feel, not even stating an opinion, just a personal feeling that btw takes on a different tone when you see the rest of what he said.
You do not need documented warnings unless his contract requires it. If you don't like the way the law operates in this area, support your local (non-YellowBlue Dog) Democrat.

Unless his contract specifically protects him, he can be fired for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, just as long as NPR didn't violate any anti-discrimination statutes, none of which are applicable here.

Given the leverage NPR likely had in his last round of contract negotiations (he was generic enough from a high profile standpoint to be replaceable), I woukd be suorised if he had flanguage favorable to him in this situation.

Even if he sued and prevailed, the damages would only be the difference in pay between his NPR contract and Fox contract, assuming Fox is an evil enough employer to treat him worse than even NPR did (from a pay standpoint). Even then, it could be argued that since the new contract was signed so quickly, the market value oof his services on the date of firing equals what the most willing of employers contracted to pay, so NPR actually did the great free market thing by taking an action that resulted in the most efficient adjustment to actual free market values.
 
Who were apparently not "news analysts" which has already been pointed out. Have you found any information to contradict that, or are you just repeating the same claim over and over again?
Under what theory are you arguing that a news reporter wishing death on another person isn't a breach of the ethical or contract rules that Juan Williams is accused of breaching?
 
Under what theory are you arguing that a news reporter wishing death on another person isn't a breach of the ethical or contract rules that Juan Williams is accused of breaching?

What part of "news analyst" vs. "commentator" is so confusing?

Or do you think Bill O'Reilly should have been fired for repeatedly using the phrase "Tiller the Baby Killer"?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller

The Fox News star had compared Tiller to a Nazi, called him a "baby killer," and warned of "Judgment Day"

Or what about Glenn Beck claiming that Obama was a bigot or that his administration was "fascist"?

Commentators who are clearly editorializing are allowed much greater lattitude than news analysts are.
 
What part of "news analyst" vs. "commentator" is so confusing?
l2english. A) The people I'm refering to are actual reporters for NPR, giving them less room to opine about "contraversial" issues.

B) I fail to see the relevance to Bill O's behavior in a thread about employment paractices at NPR and in a discussion about the behavior of its employees.
 
It strikes me that these sorts of statements might be counterproductive to being an anchor.

Should one be an anchor and political commentator at the same time? I don't believe so!
 
The people I'm refering to are actual reporters for NPR, giving them less room to opine about "contraversial" issues..
AFAIK none of the individuals were considered to be reporters, including Willliams.

Once again, do you have proof of the claim that they were also news analysts and should have been treated the same? Or is that merely your personal opinion with no actual basis in fact?

I fail to see the relevance to Bill O's behavior in a thread about employment paractices at NPR and in a discussion about the behavior of its employees.
You fail to see the obvious double standard here? If you think these NPR commentators should have been fired for those comments, why aren't you complaining vociferously about all the talking heads on Fox News who have obviously made much worse comments than these examples you have posted?
 
It strikes me that these sorts of statements might be counterproductive to being an anchor.

I dunno..some have made a pretty nice career out of making them....*cough* Olbermann *cough*...
 
AFAIK none of the individuals were considered to be reporters, including Willliams.
Are you kidding me? Are Google and/or Wikipedia blocked behind a firewall where you live? I even told you which ones were reporters and which ones were commentators when you asked. It's not a lot of trouble to disprove that statement if you actually think I'm lieing about who if anyone on that list is a news reporter.
Once again, do you have proof of the claim that they were also news analysts and should have been treated the same?
NPR's CEO claimed in the internal memo released in response to this that NPR's ethics code applies to all journalists including analysts.
You fail to see the obvious double standard here?
I fail to see the relevance of Bill O's or the behavior of any other Fox employee in a thread about employment paractices at NPR and in a discussion about the behavior of its employees. Can you defend this action without reference to what you percieve to be wrongdoing in another completely seperate company?
 
Can you defend this action without reference to what you percieve to be wrongdoing in another completely seperate company?
An employer's right to choose who works for it.

(Except when such a choice violates a statute)

Edit:

Juan Williams calls Fox the gulag:

This is evidence of one-party rule and one sided thinking at NPR that leads to enforced ideology, speech and writing. It leads to people, especially journalists, being sent to the gulag for raising the wrong questions and displaying independence of thought.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/21/juan-williams-npr-fired-truth-muslim-garb-airplane-oreilly-ellen-weiss-bush/
 
It's good to see NPR still has ethical standards. :b:

At the end of the day Juan Williams agreed to abide by certain ethical standards as a condition of employment at NPR. He broke those standards and so NPR told him he had not lived up to his side of the bargain. It's an open and shut case. If Juan hadn't broken his contractual obligations he'd still have a job.
 
I even told you which ones were reporters and which ones were commentators when you asked.
Sorry. I missed that post.

But the simple truth of the matter is that we don't have the personell files for these people. We don't know what possible punitive action was taken in any of these cases. But we do know what the troubled history was for Williams from the statements of the head of the department who fired him.

Once again:

The reason that we terminated his contract is because of our news ethics guidelines.

The guidelines are based on the same news ethics guidelines of the Society of Professional Journalists, and are very similar to that of The New York Times and many other news organizations.


He had several times in the past violated our news code of ethics with things that he had said on other people’s air. I’m not aware of any problem with any things he has said on our air. In each of those instances, we called him on it; we had a discussion; we asked him not to do it again. It happened several times. What happened a few days ago was the latest in a series of incidents.

I can’t characterize that this was better or worse or less egregious or more egregious than any other time. The point is, this was the latest in a series of incidents.

You give people second chances — we’re big believers in that and we do it all the time — but it happened again and again. And so we made the decision at this point that we had to draw the line somewhere.

I fail to see the relevance of Bill O's or the behavior of any other Fox employee in a thread about employment paractices at NPR and in a discussion about the behavior of its employees.
I'm sure you do. After all, to do so would be to admit that there is an obvious double standard here. You are faulting NPR for the one act which occurs at Fox News on an regular basis.

Where is your indignation over this firing by Fox News?

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Fox News FIRES Marc Lamont Hill, Liberal Analyst


Liberal Fox News analyst Dr. Marc Lamont Hill has been fired, News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch revealed at a shareholder's meeting Friday.

Murdoch made the announcement after being asked about Hill's "reputation of defending cop killers and racists."

Or this one:

Fox News fires liberal commentator for being too liberal

In August, I gave Bill O'Reilly credit for having the guts (since almost nobody else at FNC will) to put an smart, persuasive, articulate liberal on his show. At the time he invited Fox News contributor, and Columbia University professor, Marc Lamont Hill to discuss the right-wing's unhinged response to Obama's presidency. Hill, as the old saying goes, made mince meat out of O'Reilly.

Well, no more awkward moments for the over-matched O'Reilly, because Hill, one of Fox News' few liberal contributors, has been fired for his political views. Apparently, right-wing purifiers were calling for his head, so Roger Ailes showed Hill the door.

Why aren't you subjecting them to the same scrutiny and standards to which you are using with NPR?

Or doesn't this really have anything to do with what transpired. Isn't it really a matter of this:

So the Corporation for Public Broadcasting really is gonna be defunded?
This is clearly yet another absurd ACORN witch hunt by the far-right. It obviously has nothing to do with journalistic ethics given Fox News' almost complete lack of any integrity whatsoever. It is just another great example of partisan politics and hypocrisy at its worst.
 
I dunno..some have made a pretty nice career out of making them....*cough* Olbermann *cough*...
Olbermann is a commentator, not an anchor.
 
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