NukeNES02: 1890 Alternate History

To USR
From USA

We will allow Vietnam to contruct a canal with our help in Panama, we have not sold them any lands but agreed to allow them to work in Panama. If you have any problems with that then.... live with it. The US will be sending a force down to ensure that any Americans or Vietnamese will not be causing any trouble in your country if you are worried about that. Panama is ours and we can do what we want with them.
 
Im sry to say this man, but that map is to god damn dark, I cant tell Canada apart from the oceans, everything looks black to me. Maybe its just my comp.

I know that. And it is very difficult to see the cities of France, Canada and Russia.

Those are the colors Nuke used in the initial map (I was minimizing my extra work, so I didn't change the color scheme). I suggested to him earlier to use a lighter blue for the seas, too. But I guess the real problem is the territory colors.
 
To USR
From USA

We will allow Vietnam to contruct a canal with our help in Panama, we have not sold them any lands but agreed to allow them to work in Panama. If you have any problems with that then.... live with it. The US will be sending a force down to ensure that any Americans or Vietnamese will not be causing any trouble in your country if you are worried about that. Panama is ours and we can do what we want with them.

We thank our American allies. We appreciate your generosity. The People of the Sphere will be informed of your kind heartidness and for it you shall be honored by our people for helping bring prosperity to the poor (Panama)
 
I know that. And it is vert difficult to see the cities of France, Canada and Russia.

Those are the colors Nuke used in the initial map (I was minimizing my extra work, so I didn't change the color scheme). I suggested to him earlier to use a lighter blue for the seas, too. But I guess the real problem is the territory colors.

Why dont you just use my color scheme, you can see each border perfectly and it doesn't blend into the oceans or rivers.
 
Excuse me? I know I didn't read a word of that ****** little rant of yours. No wonder the common image of newbs are so bad these days.

Your pathetic Country must not worry.

Your joking right? My "pathetic" little country not only ouranks yours at least 20 times over, but nearly outranks your entire damn alliance (save China, of course.) The fact is, while you people are overweighed, I'm under weighed. Despite having the entire economies of Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Columbia, Venezuala, and Peru (not to mention Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, and now Guyuna), I'm two levels below Japan.

Nuke's mentioned nothing about South America's economy (save for a depression that was "pulled out of") so you can't pull that whole alt-hist crap. You'd think my economy would either be a bit higher or Japan's much lower (which I don't see how it's that high, anyways.) Finally, at least for now, great move with the whole "ignore previous cutting of ties so I can do it myself."

I've kept my mouth shut long enough. I've just looked back through this thread and saw how idiots thought they were smart enough to attack me. Hah.

And you claim we are but a puppet Regime of Japan, japan holds no rule over us. your pathetic propaganda shows your cowardice. We have no intrest in Imperialism, we however due have intrest in improving the lifes of the people in all countries. a Canal through Panama would bring new jobs and buisness to Panama, countries of Europe will have an alternative route to the Pacific rather then passing going through Africa or around your continental Empire.

First off, your ignorance deserves a standing observation. "And you claim we are but a puppet Regime of Japan, japan holds no rule over us." No really? You sure? Japan hasn't been pulling the strings the whole time, dictating to the rest of you fools what'll happen? Sorry, but I don't think you're smart enough to scratch your ass. Then again, maybe you don't need to be smart to play this.

We have no intrest in Imperialism, we however due have intrest in improving the lifes of the people in all countries

Then why not fund it? Why try to purchase land you know will never go over? You claim not to be interest in imperialism, yet your pitiful puppet had to invade other nations in order to establish an empire. That's not imperialism? Yes, I'm sure you have an interest in improving lives (god, the word is lives) as long as it benefits you. Don't try the whole hospitable act- there is no such thing as a beneficial neser- every last person is out for their selves.

a Canal through Panama would bring new jobs and buisness to Panama, countries of Europe will have an alternative route to the Pacific rather then passing going through Africa or around your continental Empire.

What happened to the whole "keeping Europeans out of Asia" thing? Secondly, European countries interested in going to Asia would sail more likely around Africa than South America- there's no point unless you plan on stopping in the Americas. But of course, there is the whole deal with Panama itself- go ahead and attempt it. Like I said, as long as you don't receive any territory in the Americas I won't have any problems.

Btw, I have a Union- not an empire. A huge differnce conercing the fact that most of its administered by legislative bodies. Despite what Nuke keeps saying, I've arranged my nation along a social line instead of your ignorant little path.

You wish to keep the people poor and ignorant. We seek to bring them prosperity and build a true Utopia to help the masses.

Eh- I keep forgetting that you're joking. Your pathetic excuse for socialism is extremely funny. You ally with a monarchy and its no big deal? You run around, switching your policies without hesitation, yet I'm the one betraying the cause? You seem to forget that socialism first took root in the U.S.R- then spreading elsewhere. Naturally, I know you might be having a hard time keeping up with me, so I'll cut this short.

Take no land in America. Or else just die. I'd love to see you guys actually back your words up for once.

Its morphine time!Nanana!

I was actually referring to the time when people align to kill off the retards. Darwin's law. Sorry but you're gone.

barely out of highschool?
son, u missed the graduation by 9 months

lets talk about improbability here...
Wilhelm II "dropping the pilot" and his lil speech in morroco was very stupid.
Cavour's involvement in crimean war was highly unlikely.
Louis XIV's War of Devolution was without common sense
same with John Stuart of England
Matthew Perry's opening of Japan...

point being... leaders can do whatever the heck they want. AND ALL THAT JAZZ.

of course, there is this thing called common sense. it's what u dont have
mod told you its an althistory to which u replied: And you wonder why so many people are avoiding this?
ah... and u were one of the few?
and im joining this NES btw.

Rmhg- do me a favor real quick please- tell me who the hell are you? First off, what exactly do you know about me? Where do I live? Whats graduation day here? Before you open your big mouth, make sure you know what you're talking about. I finished my classes last semestar. I don't graduate until June, but I'm still out of school.

Don't even start with me on the improbabilty issue.

No- I'm not one of the people avoiding this. You'd notice, fi you just didn't come in off the streets, that it Nuke who asked me several times to join this. My first instinct screamed at me no, but me being the idiot that I am, decided to give him a chance. I've let a hell of alot of things fly, but there's a point when alt-history doesn't even describe this anymore.

IC:

To US
From USR

We have no problem with those fools running a canal- so long as the "Republic" of Vietnam is not officially granted land within the confines of North America. After the foul stench of their anti-western rhetoric, they deserve no place among the soverign peoples.
 
Excuse me? I know I didn't read a word of that ****** little rant of yours. No wonder the common image of newbs are so bad these days.



Your joking right? My "pathetic" little country not only ouranks yours at least 20 times over, but nearly outranks your entire damn alliance (save China, of course.) The fact is, while you people are overweighed, I'm under weighed. Despite having the entire economies of Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Columbia, Venezuala, and Peru (not to mention Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, and now Guyuna), I'm two levels below Japan.

Nuke's mentioned nothing about South America's economy (save for a depression that was "pulled out of") so you can't pull that whole alt-hist crap. You'd think my economy would either be a bit higher or Japan's much lower (which I don't see how it's that high, anyways.) Finally, at least for now, great move with the whole "ignore previous cutting of ties so I can do it myself."

I've kept my mouth shut long enough. I've just looked back through this thread and saw how idiots thought they were smart enough to attack me. Hah.



First off, your ignorance deserves a standing observation. "And you claim we are but a puppet Regime of Japan, japan holds no rule over us." No really? You sure? Japan hasn't been pulling the strings the whole time, dictating to the rest of you fools what'll happen? Sorry, but I don't think you're smart enough to scratch your ass. Then again, maybe you don't need to be smart to play this.



Then why not fund it? Why try to purchase land you know will never go over? You claim not to be interest in imperialism, yet your pitiful puppet had to invade other nations in order to establish an empire. That's not imperialism? Yes, I'm sure you have an interest in improving lives (god, the word is lives) as long as it benefits you. Don't try the whole hospitable act- there is no such thing as a beneficial neser- every last person is out for their selves.



What happened to the whole "keeping Europeans out of Asia" thing? Secondly, European countries interested in going to Asia would sail more likely around Africa than South America- there's no point unless you plan on stopping in the Americas. But of course, there is the whole deal with Panama itself- go ahead and attempt it. Like I said, as long as you don't receive any territory in the Americas I won't have any problems.

Btw, I have a Union- not an empire. A huge differnce conercing the fact that most of its administered by legislative bodies. Despite what Nuke keeps saying, I've arranged my nation along a social line instead of your ignorant little path.



Eh- I keep forgetting that you're joking. Your pathetic excuse for socialism is extremely funny. You ally with a monarchy and its no big deal? You run around, switching your policies without hesitation, yet I'm the one betraying the cause? You seem to forget that socialism first took root in the U.S.R- then spreading elsewhere. Naturally, I know you might be having a hard time keeping up with me, so I'll cut this short.

Take no land in America. Or else just die. I'd love to see you guys actually back your words up for once.

I just love how you seem to take everything so seriously. Its so cute I just wanna pinch those lil cheecks, ah come here :p

It is just a game, I see no reason why you need to talk about anything I said, if you took a minute to think you would realize its mostly propaganda. And by the way, just because I dont have a glorious military or navy doesn't make me a vassal of Japan, in fact, if you knew anything of the complexity of the sphere, you could see that both Japan and I hold the strings.

I dont respect you taking hits at me for what is clearly a game, but if it makes you feel bigger and badder then allow me to give you a standing '****in' ovvation, hip hip horray!!! Hip ****in Horray!!!

There, I've humored you. Not then I suggest we both back off and just go back to the game.
 
Why dont you just use my color scheme, you can see each border perfectly and it doesn't blend into the oceans or rivers.

I am quite busy today actually. I have to finish some work before tomorrow. I get very bothered by inaccuracies, so I couldn't stop myself from immediately correcting the city and river errors I spotted. But I have to get back to work now. If you feel like painting some territory, go ahead. Or else, that will have to wait a few days.
 
Ya know, if ya just change the color of the water to a lighter shade of blue, it'll help alot in distinguishing between the continents, try using this blue:

Nothing on my damn comp works... Just try some other shades of blue.
 
I currently live in the US of A. But I was born in Mother Russia, in Leningrad. Its been so long since I've been to Russia, I haven't been able to return due to money problems. I remember it as such a beautiful place. The Winter Palace, The Kremlin.

The US is a modern country, it comemorates it past but in Russia, well, you can have a great sense of your past. We had some horrible leaders (Stalin, Ivan the Terrible) and we've had some great ones such as Peter the Great, and Vladimir Lenin (Many would argue about him being a great man, however I feel its important to understand that during the revolution, the world was in a bad situation. War was not only next door but the Civil War was tearing Russia apart. Lenin saved Russia, thats just my opinion.

I would suggst moveing to a foriegn country. Look at how we treat commies.
 
I would suggst moveing to a foriegn country. Look at how we treat commies.

Look at how you used to treat blacks, and asians and all that good stuff. If you Americans really wanna be so politically correct then you can deal with the fact that Im a Communist. For now, I'll stay in the US of A, Im still working on my education and look towards one day entering into a career of either politics or a film career. I always wanted to direct horror movies, if I cant direct I want to do Special Effects. Plus, some of my personal hero's live in the US of A, George Romero, Tom Savini, Quentin Tarentino, and so many more.
 
I have no problems with Russians, blacks, Asians, Italians in America I mean they have suffered long enough and this new world we live in is getting too crazy to be persecuting people who are not "American". Most people think that only Americans are similar to what Hitler says about his Aryan race. That is not true. And I personally do not mind living next door to a Communist or Asian or Italian or even a African American. I am not your typical American. Though I am American by birth and will remain American no matter what.

I feel I should add this, My secretary is an Asian, my boss is an African American and while I may or may not work with a Communist, I will never know unless they tell me they are an Communist.
 
I have no problems with Russians, blacks, Asians, Italians in America I mean they have suffered long enough and this new world we live in is getting too crazy to be persecuting people who are not "American". Most people think that only Americans are similar to what Hitler says about his Aryan race. That is not true. And I personally do not mind living next door to a Communist or Asian or Italian or even a African American. I am not your typical American. Though I am American by birth and will remain American no matter what.

I feel I should add this, My secretary is an Asian, my boss is an African American and while I may or may not work with a Communist, I will never know unless they tell me they are an Communist.

Good for you Comrade. I think its time we get past all this Racial babel-bull **** in this world. I like most Americans, I do have a rather dislike for Stupid peope (Not as in mentally ********, but as in they let some nonsense fly outta their mouths before they think about it.)

Also, what would you say the 'Typical American' is? Because would the Typical American be made up of the White majoity or made up of what the American Race really is, a mix between all ethnical groups.
 
Can we please keep this bull-shite to the OT forum? Its not needed here.
 
A typical American in my opinion is an American who thinks they are Kings.
They think no one has the right to be mean to them, threaten them etc. They think they are masters of the world and has the right to be mean to anyone that they feel are not or do not deserve to be American.. IE Communists, African Americans, Mexicans, and so on. The Mexicans are a good example of how a typical American acts. When an White American approaches a Mexican the American automatically think that the Mexican is bad becuase of the stories of gangs, crime and just general chaos around America and would either, A) not talk to them, B) Call the police to see if he is a criminal, C) Take matters into their own hands and beat them up themselves. D) Talk with them but always holding a low standard of them.

I have met Americans like these and it is these Americans who force other people to lie about their race or government or religion. I believe you BTM is a good role model showing the other "minorities" that they can stand up to the American race and force them to accept them. I applaud you.

EDIT: OT, this is my last post after this I will not be talking about this anymore.
 
A typical American in my opinion is an American who thinks they are Kings.
They think no one has the right to be mean to them, threaten them etc. They think they are masters of the world and has the right to be mean to anyone that they feel are not or do not deserve to be American.. IE Communists, African Americans, Mexicans, and so on. The Mexicans are a good example of how a typical American acts. When an White American approaches a Mexican the American automatically think that the Mexican is bad becuase of the stories of gangs, crime and just general chaos around America and would either, A) not talk to them, B) Call the police to see if he is a criminal, C) Take matters into their own hands and beat them up themselves. D) Talk with them but always holding a low standard of them.

I have met Americans like these and it is these Americans who force other people to lie about their race or government or religion. I believe you BTM is a good role model showing the other "minorities" that they can stand up to the American race and force them to accept them. I applaud you.

EDIT: OT, this is my last post after this I will not be talking about this anymore.

OT: This will be my last response to this topic as well though if you'd like to talk a bit more we can do it through PM. I think your idea of the Typical American sums it up rather right, espically how I've heard most Americans refer to the 'French Cowardice' and 'Russian Barbarianism'. I thank uoi for the compliment you have given, you certainly seem like a respective fellow.
 
OT (and this will be my only one on this topic): Ok here is my problem with how the world is seeing the way people view all of this stuff (especially the Mexican / American issues and yes I come from a family of Mexican Decent) I have no issue with legal immigrants from anywhere and nor do most (most being oprative term here because there are always extremes) americans care if you go thru the legal process or gain asylum. What people don't see is that the USA allowed in about 1.2 - 1.5 million immigrants last year far more than any other industrialized nation in the world. The USA also has some of the most lenient immigration requirements in the industrialized world. These facts always get overlooked because people go well look at how they treat the Hispanic Illegals. The point is that the Hispanic Illegals do break the law and go and unlike the legal immigrants they do the work and send the vast majority of money back to Mexico and economically this hurts both our nations. More money is sent to Mexico in legal and illegal remittances than the entire tourism industry in Mexico makes. This hurts Mexico because it is preventing the building of their own economy and it hurts USA because all of that cash flow is leaving the US internal markets. I disagree with the drastic measures being taken, but I do not agree with rewarding people who are breaking the law. But all of this isn't going to matter soon because people are finally making the US citizens become more and more withdrawn from caring about international affairs, which is not a good thing for the US or the world, just like if any other world power decided to do the same thing.
 
Nuke

One problem with the map, Whats happened to Normandy? It is not shown on the map.
 
The US is upset at Great Britain for joining the war on Germany's side.

The US is seriously considering joining the European war to restabilize things and bring peace back to Europe. But we are not declaring war just yet.

To the United States of America and the World
From Britain

We understand your angst against our recent invasion of Normandy and other French holdings but this is merely in relation to intelligence efforts against several powers proving to us once and for all that the Germans were the lesser of two evils in this conflict. The United States of America is advised that good relations with Britain and its Commonwealth would be forever sundered and unceasing warfare begun if an attempt to meddle in this European affair was made by the government in Washington.
 
To the United States of America and the World
From Britain

We understand your angst against our recent invasion of Normandy and other French holdings but this is merely in relation to intelligence efforts against several powers proving to us once and for all that the Germans were the lesser of two evils in this conflict. The United States of America is advised that good relations with Britain and its Commonwealth would be forever sundered and unceasing warfare begun if an attempt to meddle in this European affair was made by the government in Washington.

Lesser of tow evils B.S i had no part in this war.
 
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