O to have an open mind. . .

[Mr. Dictator]

i know i implyed lack of openmindedness is closemindedness. thats common sense

i also said that closemindedness is bad. and i dont have to be openminded towards closeminded people. thats dumb. closemindedness is dumb.

its the only thing i would never consider being. and there are closedminds on both sides of the spectrum, i know. i hate both sides. i hate the people who say "you have to see that abortion is ok" and i hate the ones who say "abortion is against biblical law so it must be outlawed" i support people who say "abortion is a big decision in someones life and i think each person should handle it differently"

and how is open minded silly? how is it fun just to stick your fingers in you ears and scream "lalalalalala"?

 

[Tulkas12]

i know i implyed lack of openmindedness is closemindedness. thats common sense

i also said that closemindedness is bad. and i dont have to be openminded towards closeminded people. thats dumb. closemindedness is dumb.

its the only thing i would never consider being. and there are closedminds on both sides of the spectrum, i know. i hate both sides. i hate the people who say "you have to see that abortion is ok" and i hate the ones who say "abortion is against biblical law so it must be outlawed" i support people who say "abortion is a big decision in someones life and i think each person should handle it differently"

Your making my point and not even seeing it. You should now be able to see clearly how using a phrase like "You're not being open-minded", or any other such phrase is nothing short of badgering and a conversation killer. If you don't understand I can show you. Right now? You are not being very open-minded.

and how is open minded silly? how is it fun just to stick your fingers in you ears and scream "lalalalalala"?

This is of course finishes why its a insult. To be "open-minded" or free of biases is impossible. It is a human paradox created by the nature of human beings and human experiences.

Therefore the phrase is silly in the first place.

 

[Ansar]

Well, giving out your opinions depends on who you tell. I usually tell close friends and relatives. But my mind is usually closed.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

i said that i am not openminded to close mindedness. why should i. tell me one good thing about it.

i also said that i wasnt completetly openminded. i said that a while ago. i dont think its possible to be 100% openminded.

being openminded doesnt mean saying "you need to be more openminded" i never said that and i hate people that do. i say "tell me why you believe that"

and if they truly believe it, i dont care. it doesnt affect me.

 

[Bill3000]

It is human nature for a human to be protective of his own ideology. In the end, all ideologies are equally valid once you take into account how stubborn the person is.

 

[Tulkas12]

Its a paradox man. One insinuates the opposite, yet open mindedness can't even exist. It is a flawed para-phrasing if this is what you want to call it, I still call it silly.

Idk about good things of close mindedness, I'm sure you could assign good attributes to it if you tried. I'm not that interested in it as I am in saying that the phrasing is so misused (not to mention ******ed in the first place) that it should never be used in an argument. You were talking right past me if you thought I was insinuating that being open minded meant that you said such things. One can't be open-minded, it is a paradox, to imply that someone is the opposite of it is silly. You cannot assign accurate degrees of such a thing as you could not assign degrees (severity, accuracy, validity) to an opinion, without a) basing it on an opinion and b) (Hey looky here!) coming to assigning a degree by shear biases.

What is being open-minded TO YOU? See now how its flawed?

 

[Mr. Dictator]

to me open mindedness is the ability to understand where people are coming from and not judging them.

may not be the official definition but its what i was using it as

but i dont think it should be used in a debate since as you said it denotes bigotry.

but i do support it being used against racism and the likes

but how can openmindedness be impossible when you say that closemindedness is. its just the opposite.

and i know it can exist because i am openminded

edit: btw, should you open a poll to ask if people think being openminded is possible? more than 3 choices though. its not cut and dry by no means

 

[Tulkas12]

There is no such thing as closemindedness, its opposite is a paradox. Cancelled becaus of bad wording.

You aren't "open-minded". . . you think you not pre-judgemental. I kind of doubt this.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

like i said, some situations call for pre-judgement. thats how man has survived.

but for instance, i dont see a gay guy and think, "he must have aids and be a reckless permiscuous guy". no, i think, "ok, he likes men, so what"

it doesnt mean i will start liking men too, i just accept it as his decision.

but i do see a murderer and think to myself before ever seeing him that he is evil.

i hope you see where i am coming from. i try not to be prejudgemental. and most of the time im not because i know most people makes decisions based on the best option at the time. their decisions dont affect my life or my spirit so i dont care what they do.

 

[Tulkas12]

like i said, some situations call for pre-judgement. thats how man has survived.

but for instance, i dont see a gay guy and think, "he must have aids and be a reckless permiscuous guy". no, i think, "ok, he likes men, so what"

it doesnt mean i will start liking men too, i just accept it as his decision.

but i do see a murderer and think to myself before ever seeing him that he is evil.

i hope you see where i am coming from. i try not to be prejudgemental. and most of the time im not because i know most people makes decisions based on the best option at the time. their decisions dont affect my life or my spirit so i dont care what they do.

Yea, though the discussion has little to do with your personal beliefs than the validity of the idea that open-mindedness is a silly idea.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

i was using that as an example of how i dont judge someone based on some aspect of them and that its possible not to prejudge

 

[tomsnowman123]

Is it just me or does anyone else find it entirely ironic that we are arguing about the validity of our beliefs on this subject, and who's thoughts are right and whose are wrong, when we are arguing about "open-mindedness."

 

[Mr. Dictator]

im just trying to prove its possible to be openminded, he's trying to prove its not.

i never said i was entirely openminded and im not at all when it comes to closeminded people

 

[Tulkas12]

Is it just me or does anyone else find it entirely ironic that we are arguing about the validity of our beliefs on this subject, and who's thoughts are right and whose are wrong, when we are arguing about "open-mindedness."

This is my very point. You did that well. ty.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

im not arguing against the validity of your belief. im defending what i said. i am open minded (not 100%, in fact if i had to guess 75-80%)

i am. i am proof, at least to myself, that its possible.

now, im not exactly the most well rested person right now so could you put it in the simplest wording possible? why is it a paradox.

 

[Tulkas12]

i am open minded (not 100%, in fact if i had to guess 75-80%)

This is own of my points, you cant measure open-mindedness. What would you measure it against? Modern Liberalism? Thats what its generally measured with. . It seems to be what you are measuring it from, thats highly subjective isn't it? God I hope that made the point.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

im not measuring it exactly, i meant that somewhere between 75 to 80% of the time im openminded. like i said, depends entirely on the situation

 

[tomsnowman123]

im not measuring it exactly, i meant that somewhere between 75 to 80% of the time im openminded. like i said, depends entirely on the situation

Here's the simple problem, you're saying you are open-minded, Tulkas12 is saying it's a paradox, especially since here we are arguing about it.

 

[Tulkas12]

Yes, ty tom. That is my main point. My other point is that it really means "you aren't liberal enough" when used in arguments, and I do not get how thats a valid argument in settings such as the world's current state.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

i never use it to mean someone isnt liberal enough