OIC thread for SheepNES Modern

Pakistan having reconsidered, noting that India has a population of 300 million Muslims, and has much to do with Islamic affiars, is willing to nominate India for observor status in this organzation.
 
India thanks Pakistan for its nomination. We would like to stress that this observor status is not being aquired so that we may accuss islamic nations of anything, but so that we may find ways to co-exist peacefully. The Prime Minister has no doubt that with the help of this orginization, a solution of some sort can be discovered to not only aid the conditions of the 300 million Muslims in India, but that no further violence ensue because of misunderstandings.
 
The RoIndonesia fully agrees with all of Pakistans points on Iran, profiling and India being granted observation status.

To get the discussion at Darkur started, on observers; We believe that observer nations should be allowed to send representives and make proposals [in this thread], however they will obviously have no voting rights, and only require a petition by 10 members of the conference in order eject their representitives.

On obsever status, We believe this should be granted to India, but not to the EU at the current time.
 
Pakistan agrees. The EU has shown itself to be insenstive to Islamic sentiments. They would serve no purpose as an observing body here.
 
Pakistan agrees. The EU has shown itself to be insenstive to Islamic sentiments. They would serve no purpose as an observing body here.
OOC: Please look at Resolution 8 in the new EU thread. Most of us aren't "insensitive."
 
Pakistan agrees. The EU has shown itself to be insenstive to Islamic sentiments. They would serve no purpose as an observing body here.

Turkey: EU won't gain sensitivity if we shut them out either. If we want tolerance on their side, we must have tolerance towards them as well. Turkey agrees to EU observership, as the perceived intolerance of some European governments should not be a reason to ignore our muslim brothers in Europe. We feel that greater cooperation with EU is not just a choice, but an obligation, if we intend to stay on our aims.

the 1st post said:
The Organization aims to:
1. Strengthen:
c) The struggle of all Muslim people to safeguard their dignity, independence and national rights.
3. Work to:
a) Eliminate racial discrimination and all forms of colonialism;
b) Create a favorable atmosphere for the promotion of cooperation and understanding between Member States and other countries.
 
OOC: I'll put the subjects into the first post of the thread for easier access, as well as votes/resulting decisions/etc for this turn.

1. Decide and vote on the definition and rights of observer status.

-Observer entities should be allowed to bring matters concerning their muslim minorities to OIC's attention, without the need for any approval or endorsement from any country, as none of our members are supposed to object the voicing of concerncs of their Muslim brothers, no matter where they live. For the same reason we oppose Indonesia's proposal to allow ejecting an observer by only 10 votes. We think, as they need 2/3 votes to acquire the status, many observers will can have more than 10 opposing members from the start. We suggest 2/3 of the members need to petition for an observer's removal, and 5/6 for a member.
-In summary observers should speak freely, but have no say in votings (ooc: same as the observers in other threads - I still don't know why are we even having this discussion?)

2. Vote weather defining standard requirements for membership and observership stati is necessary or applications should be viewed case by case. The following subsections are if the former option is decided.
2a. Discuss and agree on the specifics of the criteria.
2b. Decide whether a review of stati of existing members and observers is necessary if any member or observer does not fit the new criteria.

2. Keeping in mind that we have members with muslim populations as low as 10% we are undecided on whether a definition is necessary.

2a. Turkey's opinion is that any country or organization with significant muslim population should be able to apply observership, and then it may gain the status with 2/3 of member's votes. If "significant" is to be defined, it will need two alternate criteria, one of proportion (for example more than 5%) and another of quantity (for example more than 10 million). Any entity exceeding either limit should be allowed to freely apply for observership, and get it if 2/3 of the members approve. (Similarly, 10% and 25million could be for membership applications.)

2b. We are undecided until we decide if and what the criteria may be.

3. Decision or voting of new applications according to the new regulations, for the applications of EU, India, and Chechnya.

Yes to EU (in the case that they are not given observership status, Turkey will be willing to act as intermediary between OIC and EU)
Yes to India
No to Chechnya (due to existing Russian observership)

4. Come up with a more regular schedule for the future Islamic Summit Conferences. In the past there hasn't been a regular interval.

We suggest every 4 years...we also suggest Secretary General be regularly elected in these summits.

5. Elect a new Secretary General as Prof. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu's term started at the beginning of 2005, it ends at the end of 2008. Therefore, around the end of the year, we'll need to elect a new SG to take over in 2009.

OOC: I don't think Secretary General's origin country matters, his job is like the UNSG, and is elected depending on the candidate's knowledge and background, rather than politics or diplomacy. So our discussions here wouldn't affect his election much. I suppose we may determine the SG randomly, or by election, or decide to give the Secretariat to a player who doesn't mind updating stuff (which might or might not involve starting a new thread), and who will use the title of the Secretary General only for organizational housekeeping purposes (I think I have been doing that so far).

6. Discuss what can be done to reduce violence in Muslim lands.
6a. East Africa (Ethiopia and Somalia)
6b. Darfur, Sudan
6c. Iraq
6d. Afghanistan (and a little bit of the Pakistani side of their border)
6e. Palestine

-We think, as OIC countries constitute a significant portion of the UN, we can lobby the UN into some (more) action in Africa.
-Public documentation of the deliberations in the League of Arab States indicates its members are acting for Iraq.
-We will do further lobbying for Afghanistan in NATO, and we have readied an infantry division and some commando training personnel to deploy there. We believe it may be more beneficial to have muslim troops then not. Our past experience as the Allied Command in Afghanistan indicated that muslim troops fare better, because the locals don't view them with default enmity.
-Palestine is still mostly unsolvable, and in such cases a third party's meddling other than mere protection often sets the diplomacy back.

7. Discuss what can be done to improve diplomatic problems in muslim lands.
7a. Jammu-Keshmir
7b. Cyprus
7c. Chechnya

Cyprus and Chechnya seem to have solved themselves peacefully. Jammu-Kashmir seems to be on a similar path.

8. Discuss what can be done to improve the relations between Muslim world in the non-Muslim world.

Can we please avoid comments that we know to be obviously destined to inflame the rest of the world, at least until the relations improve (eyeing the representative from Iran)

Turkey also proposes some reconciliatory statement to be declared from this summit about acknowledging Denmark's constructive efforts following the caricature dispute, that OIC believes the West has realized our sensitivity in the issue, and that they will be more considerate of muslim feelings in the future.

9. Discuss ways of improving the Muslim world
9a. feasibility of increasing the role of Committee for Commercial and Economic Cooperation (COMCEC)

The first divine command prophet Muhammad recieved was "Read!". So we propose to add to the organizational aims:
3c)Work to minimize illiteracy and ignorance.
Educating muslims everywhere is the only long term solution to prevent loss of innocent believers to malinterpretations of our religion by fundamentalist terrorist leaders or other undesirable factions. Fundamentalists in some places may have successfully blocked the spread of education by individual governments, but they won't be able to reasonably argue against a unified policy coming from all OIC countries.
For this, we can request some aid from UNICEF, and also create a funding ourselves...or maybe wait for some years through which muslim countries may improve their economies to fund this.
 
first post updated

It is some kind of summary of everything to help members see clearly what is on the table so far. Please point out if something is missing.
 
-Observer entities should be allowed to bring matters concerning their muslim minorities to OIC's attention, without the need for any approval or endorsement from any country, as none of our members are supposed to object the voicing of concerncs of their Muslim brothers, no matter where they live. For the same reason we oppose Indonesia's proposal to allow ejecting an observer by only 10 votes. We think, as they need 2/3 votes to acquire the status, many observers will can have more than 10 opposing members from the start. We suggest 2/3 of the members need to petition for an observer's removal, and 5/6 for a member.
-In summary observers should speak freely, but have no say in votings (ooc: same as the observers in other threads - I still don't know why are we even having this discussion?)

Neither do I, we agree with your points except that we should keep the current 2/3rds needed for a members dismal.

2a. Turkey's opinion is that any country or organization with significant muslim population should be able to apply observership, and then it may gain the status with 2/3 of member's votes. If "significant" is to be defined, it will need two alternate criteria, one of proportion (for example more than 5%) and another of quantity (for example more than 10 million). Any entity exceeding either limit should be allowed to freely apply for observership, and get it if 2/3 of the members approve. (Similarly, 10% and 25million could be for membership applications.)

Agree, but note your quanity restrictions to be absurd - there are many many nations with less than 25 million muslims who are still unequivalby muslim.

2b. We are undecided until we decide if and what the criteria may be.

...okay.

Yes to EU (in the case that they are not given observership status, Turkey will be willing to act as intermediary between OIC and EU)
We do hope that Turkey realises not everyone is as pandering to the EU as it is, and thats its (entirely appropriate) desires for membership may casue it to missrepsent global muslim interests. If the EU is not admitted as a member then the Gen Secretary should coordinate between the OIC and our good friends in the EU.

We suggest every 4 years...we also suggest Secretary General be regularly elected in these summits.

?There is a regular schedule, and the SecGen is elected at these summits.

OOC: I don't think Secretary General's origin country matters, his job is like the UNSG, and is elected depending on the candidate's knowledge and background, rather than politics or diplomacy. So our discussions here wouldn't affect his election much. I suppose we may determine the SG randomly, or by election, or decide to give the Secretariat to a player who doesn't mind updating stuff (which might or might not involve starting a new thread), and who will use the title of the Secretary General only for organizational housekeeping purposes (I think I have been doing that so far).

OCC: Completely agree.

-We think, as OIC countries constitute a significant portion of the UN, we can lobby the UN into some (more) action in Africa.
-Public documentation of the deliberations in the League of Arab States indicates its members are acting for Iraq.
-We will do further lobbying for Afghanistan in NATO, and we have readied an infantry division and some commando training personnel to deploy there. We believe it may be more beneficial to have muslim troops then not. Our past experience as the Allied Command in Afghanistan indicated that muslim troops fare better, because the locals don't view them with default enmity.
-Palestine is still mostly unsolvable, and in such cases a third party's meddling other than mere protection often sets the diplomacy back.

-What do you suggest on Africa, we agree some assistence from the OIC would be benefical.
-Agree.
-We agree, and would offer our infantry support if we did not have internal matters to deal with.
-No ****.

Can we please avoid comments that we know to be obviously destined to inflame the rest of the world, at least until the relations improve (eyeing the representative from Iran)

A great idea, but a forlorn hope...

Turkey also proposes some reconciliatory statement to be declared from this summit about acknowledging Denmark's constructive efforts following the caricature dispute, that OIC believes the West has realized our sensitivity in the issue, and that they will be more considerate of muslim feelings in the future.

Agree.

The first divine command prophet Muhammad recieved was "Read!". So we propose to add to the organizational aims:
3c)Work to minimize illiteracy and ignorance.
Educating muslims everywhere is the only long term solution to prevent loss of innocent believers to malinterpretations of our religion by fundamentalist terrorist leaders or other undesirable factions. Fundamentalists in some places may have successfully blocked the spread of education by individual governments, but they won't be able to reasonably argue against a unified policy coming from all OIC countries.
For this, we can request some aid from UNICEF, and also create a funding ourselves...or maybe wait for some years through which muslim countries may improve their economies to fund this.

Indonesia woudl be willing to help fund a commission on this matter, and indeed is enacting similar programs in Indonesia.
 
1. Decide and vote on the definition and rights of observer status.

Malaysia believes observers should have the right to take the floor and speak on issues which will affect their nation's Muslim affairs. They do not have the right to vote

2. Vote whether defining standard requirements for membership and observership stati is necessary or applications should be viewed case by case. The following subsections are if the former option is decided.

2a. Discuss and agree on the specifics of the criteria.

2b. Decide whether a review of stati of existing members and observers is necessary if any member or observer does not fit the new criteria.

On the requirements of observer status, applicants should be granted said status on a case-by-case basis, depending entirely on their merits and the opinions of the member-nations, needing a 2/3 majority vote for admittance.

On the requirements of membership, Malaysia believes all nations of Darul Islam should be accepted into the organisation, as this allows the Muslim brotherhood to unite and be stronger. Applicants must profess Islam to be their official religion and will be accepted on a simple majority, thus allowing unity of the Islamic brotherhood.

3. Decision or voting of new applications according to the new regulations, for the applications of EU, India, and Chechnya.

Yes to Observer status for India
Yes to Observer status for EU

4. Come up with a more regular schedule for the future Islamic Summit Conferences. In the past there hasn't been a regular interval.

Malaysia does not see any relevance in this because OIC Summits have been held every three years between 1991 and 2003. Therefore, Malaysia recommends continuing the tradition.

5. Elect a new Secretary General. As Prof. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu's term started at the beginning of 2005, it ends at the end of 2008. Therefore, around the end of the year, we'll need to elect a new SG to take over in 2009.

OOC-wise, I think we should let knigh+ continue as Sec-Gen, makes organisation easier. Regarding IC Sec-Genship, it doesn't matter to me. Perhaps Sheep can choose randomly?

6. Discuss what can be done to reduce violence in Muslim lands.
6a. East Africa (Ethiopia and Somalia)
6b. Darfur, Sudan
6c. Iraq
6d. Afghanistan (and a little bit of the Pakistani side of their border)
6e. Palestine
6f. India

The OIC should unite and offer to mediate between fighting factions. In addition, humanitarian assistance from all member nations (be it in terms of material or labour) would do well into not only helping out with violence and trouble in said nations, but to unite our own Brotherhood in the true spirit of Islam.


7. Discuss what can be done to improve diplomatic problems in Muslim lands.
7a. Jammu-Keshmir
7b. Cyprus
7c. Chechnya
7d. Iran

See above.

8. Discuss what can be done to improve the relations between Muslim world in the non-Muslim world.

We, as Muslims should be tolerant with the uncultured bigotry of the West. The last few centuries have proven that fighting fire with fire only causes the world to go up in flames. Islam is a peaceful religion and as such, we should extol said virtues of peace.
If we are more tolerant of their bigotry, they may be more tolerant towards us. The key to all this is getting out of this spiral of violence.
My Muslim brothers, we cannot change the West without changing ourselves first. Let us show tolerance in the spirit of Islam Hadhari.

9. Discuss ways of improving the Muslim world

Malaysia agrees with Turkey's proposal. More literate OIC nations should set up literacy programs in less able OIC nations.
We also offer places in Malaysian universities for bright students from poorer OIC nations - ala the Colombo Plan Scholarships.

9a. feasibility of increasing the role of Committee for Commercial and Economic Cooperation (COMCEC)]

The role of the COMCEC is already being done by the ICDT.
 
Iran will vote on anything against non Muslim DOMINATED countries membership or observer status
 
OIC member country Togo recently merged with its neighbor Ghana (which has somewhat less muslim population). In response to Secretary General's inquiry about the status of the new country in the OIC, Union of Ghana-Togo has applied for observership status.

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Turkey says Yes to UGT's bid.
 
Neither do I, we agree with your points except that we should keep the current 2/3rds needed for a members dismal.
Well, we have put forth the 5/6 to make it difficult to dismiss muslim countries. We are not medieval Vatican afterall, we shouldn't be banishing people from the muslim brotherhood. Our suggestion was to prevent a sunni-shia dispute into schism, as most of out members are sunni. There is already enough division in the muslim world. But honestly, we don't see this matter to be urgent, and we are ok with 2/3 as well.
ooc: so what was the 10 member petition for?

Indonesia said:
Agree, but note your quanity restrictions to be absurd - there are many many nations with less than 25 million muslims who are still unequivalby muslim.
OOC: sorry, I meant "or", not "and". So 10% or 25M for membership, and 5% or 10M for observership.

Those numbers were just for example, in the case OIC decides to have any such limitation at all. But our opinion is not having any such limits, as...
Malaysia said:
On the requirements of observer status, applicants should be granted said status on a case-by-case basis, depending entirely on their merits and the opinions of the member-nations, needing a 2/3 majority vote for admittance.
We totally agree.

Malaysia said:
On the requirements of membership, Malaysia believes all nations of Darul Islam should be accepted into the organisation, as this allows the Muslim brotherhood to unite and be stronger. Applicants must profess Islam to be their official religion and will be accepted on a simple majority, thus allowing unity of the Islamic brotherhood.
We disagree, as some of our members have no state religion because no religion is followed by more than half their populations.

ooc: I'll do something about this soon.

Indonesia said:
We do hope that Turkey realises not everyone is as pandering to the EU as it is, and thats its (entirely appropriate) desires for membership may casue it to missrepsent global muslim interests. If the EU is not admitted as a member then the Gen Secretary should coordinate between the OIC and our good friends in the EU.
That's why we vote yes for EU's observership, because we also feel it is not appropriate for Turkey to speak for all muslims in the relations with EU. The medium of any EU-muslim relation, in our opinion, should be the OIC. We urge members who are against EU's observership to reconsider their position for the same reason.

?There is a regular schedule, and the SecGen is elected at these summits.
...
Malaysia does not see any relevance in this because OIC Summits have been held every three years between 1991 and 2003. Therefore, Malaysia recommends continuing the tradition.
Actually, neither the summits, nor the SG elections have a regular schedule.
Summits: 69-74-81-84-87-91-94-97-00-03-08 (it seems there is an attempt to keep it at 3year intervals, but not always the case)
SG: 71-73, 74-75, 75-79, 79-84, 85-88, 89-96, 97-00, 01-04, 05- (the last two were 4year terms, but before that it was irregular)


BananaLee said:
OOC-wise, I think we should let knigh+ continue as Sec-Gen, makes organisation easier. Regarding IC Sec-Genship, it doesn't matter to me. Perhaps Sheep can choose randomly?
Ok, I'll ask Sheep.


Malaysia said:
The OIC should unite and offer to mediate between fighting factions. In addition, humanitarian assistance from all member nations (be it in terms of material or labour) would do well into not only helping out with violence and trouble in said nations, but to unite our own Brotherhood in the true spirit of Islam.
Indonesia said:
-What do you suggest on Africa, we agree some assistence from the OIC would be benefical.
On Africa:
We suggest a petition to UNSC signed by all (or most) OIC members (and some observers if they wish) about it. They can't ignore something that big.

On Iraq:
To members of LAS
May non-arab muslim countries participate in your coalition for Iraq?
Indonesia said:
-We agree, and would offer our infantry support if we did not have internal matters to deal with.
We sincerely wish you success in remedying your internal matters.
On Afghanistan:
We urge members (without internal matters) to send troops to the peacekeeping force.

Malaysia said:
We, as Muslims should be tolerant with the uncultured bigotry of the West. The last few centuries have proven that fighting fire with fire only causes the world to go up in flames. Islam is a peaceful religion and as such, we should extol said virtues of peace.
If we are more tolerant of their bigotry, they may be more tolerant towards us. The key to all this is getting out of this spiral of violence.
My Muslim brothers, we cannot change the West without changing ourselves first. Let us show tolerance in the spirit of Islam Hadhari.
We agree that tolerance is a two way street and we shall do our part to expect tolerance from them. Yet another reason for accepting EU's bid.

Indonesia said:
Indonesia would be willing to help fund a commission on this matter, and indeed is enacting similar programs in Indonesia.
Malaysia said:
Malaysia agrees with Turkey's proposal. More literate OIC nations should set up literacy programs in less able OIC nations.
We also offer places in Malaysian universities for bright students from poorer OIC nations - ala the Colombo Plan Scholarships.
Then we propose immediately establishing a committee to assess the individual needs of various countries, and how can future funds be used best in each of them.
Turkish universities that teach in English will keep assigning a quota of 10% for international students, which in the past has been mainly utilised by muslim students.
We are also interested in cooperation with universities of other muslim countries, but that will have to be after the overhaul of our higher education system that is taking place now.

Malaysia said:
The role of the COMCEC is already being done by the ICDT.
Yes, we were wondering if we should give it more prominence.
 
First post updated. Members, please declare your vote on each of the red items before the end of the year.

Also a list of all members, observers, and their muslim populations are now availavle in the first post, within the topmost spoiler.
 
Item 1. Observers have the right to speak in matters regarding Muslims

Aye

Item 2a. Choose one:
(i) Observership and membership applications shall not have requirements regarding the applicants' muslim populations, applications will be reviewed/voted case-by-case and need 2/3 vote
(ii) Observership and membership applications shall have minimum requirements regarding the applicants' muslim populations, if these are satisfied, membership will be granted
(iii) Minimum muslim population will be required, and the application will be reviewed/voted case-by-case and need 2/3 vote

Aye

Item 3c. Observership of Union of Ghana-Togo

Aye

Item 4. Islamic Summit frequency: vote 3 years, 4 years, or other

3 years

Item 8b. "OIC acknowledges Denmark's constructive efforts following the caricature dispute. OIC believes the rest of the world has realized the sensitivity of muslims regarding the issue, and that the rest of the world will be more considerate of muslim feelings in the future."

Nay

Item 9a. Add "3c)Work to minimize illiteracy and ignorance" to OIC's organizational aims

Aye

Item 9b. Start "OIC Education Program", which will involve building enough primary schools to all muslim countries and train teachers to sustain mandatory 5-year (or some other number) education

Aye
 
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