Insane_Panda
Deity
*grabs NK*
Update! or else...
*goes back into the darkness*
Update! or else...
*goes back into the darkness*
One country NES idea!
- Thread starter Gelion
- Start date
das
Regeneration In Process
Nah, too late for that.
I officially declare that the Rurii are now Ruree. Just for Banana's sake...
I officially declare that the Rurii are now Ruree. Just for Banana's sake...
Amon Savag
The Great
Is there room for generals?Because,if I'm not a consul,I don't want to be excluded from destroying the state's enemies.After all,that's the only thing I get enjoyment from.
das
Regeneration In Process
Fair enough.
Gelion, can you post the rules for a third time, please? Thanks. And I know its a waste of space.
Okay, I switch it to Ruriii then. There - three "I"s!
Gelion, can you post the rules for a third time, please? Thanks. And I know its a waste of space.
Okay, I switch it to Ruriii then. There - three "I"s!
Gelion
Retired Captain
Not sure what you mean by a waste of space 
. Anyway here's he full version of provisional rules. The army part and some parts about city & economy are not completely finished.
OR my Version:
History:
The people of Nessos have a long and rich history. It is now impossible to uncover every event that happened in the Nessos Republic, but thanks to the work of ancient historians, and in particular of Triniutus Livus, we can now retell you the stories of the most significant of them.
The history of our glorious city began with the king Nes. It is unknown as to why he was the King or what his relatives were. It is only known that he did exist and that he laid foundations for our state. It is rumoured that the very first Nessoans are the descendants of a ruined, but glorious state of Toria in the East. When survivors hit the land where Nessos is now built on they had to fight for their right to settle with a local tribe. The tribe, after a devastating battle where no one won, merged into the Nessoans tribe. King Nes later found a city on the site of battle and proclaimed that this shall be the capital of the whole world. Nes ruled for over 40 years and is said to have disappeared inside a grey cloud that descended to Earth. His last words were: Live in honour! He created all of our early laws and form of government the Senate. He also built the first 3 sections of the city. Each new one was founded after a war with a local tribe that later merged into Nessos. Nes created the Senate and did have consul with it almost on every question. Thats how the Senate began as an honourable and valued institution. King Nes also established many of religious rituals, some of which are still practiced today. After he was gone the noble families of the Nessos all collected together. They all were grieved that he was gone and proclaimed that no other man shall be King in Nessos as long as the last Nessoan lives. The family leaders all agreed that they shall rules the city in turns and that so no one gets overpower full not one, but two Senators shall be given Kings powers for a 2 year period .
OOC: Heres where the Nes begins. The setup is as follows. All players are members of the senate. 2 get elected to rule the country for two year period (1 game turn). They can be re-elected if the people or the senate like them. Other than being the consuls (king-like rulers) players can occupy more than one governmental post. Players can take each other to court for crimes in war and peace, get elected and organise uprisings if they are not, buy citys productions and lands, trade, create empires of power, the possibilities are virtually unlimited like in any NES. However theres a check. All players belong to one state. So the players better work for the good of the state rather than only for themselves. Almost like in real politics one has to balance between the good of the state and personal goods. Lets see who wins here.
And the RULES:
RULES:
Family
You family is your primary tool and your last line of defence. In this game you are a leader of a family of patricians in your city (Nessos). Your family recognises you as the unquestioned ruler and entrusted you the task of representing her in the countrys senate. Apart from you there are many members in your family and each member is not sitting idly but is doing his or her duty. Some serve in army, some collect crops, some manufacture goods. Your family controls some of the share of overall production in the city and thats represented in the city stats. You as a leader can control general actions of your family and control the state as a public figure.
Example of a family record:
Name of Family/Player: Fabius /Gelion
Men: 437
Ducats: 12400
Wealth: 2400 luxuries, 300 weaponry
Other: golden banner awarded, 300 clients
Name of Family/player easy. Make yup your family name and join
Men male members of your family that can work and fight
Gold - amount of money you have in coins
Wealth - goods that a family possesses (measured in gold equivalent)
Other - there could be family awards by the state or number of people loyal and fed by the family. This parameter is reserved for anything that might be worth recording.
A family could have clients (dependant people from plebs). Those could also play a role in game. As a family leader you can give orders to your family and be in charge of the total wealth of the family. You could spend it all to care for wounded soldiers and win popularity, but your family will be ruined. In your orders you could say what area of production would you like expanded or would you like to see more children (grow population). These orders are not different than in other NESes.
Interestingly if you get killed as a leader you can revive this same turn as some other member of your family who took over leadership.
Orders should consist of 2 parts: family orders and state orders if you occupy a government post and can issue orders.
Timeline each update is two years.
The Government and Other Positions of Power
The Government
The government is made up of 3 branches: executive, legislative and juridical. Legislative is made up of the Senate (for now only the senate). Juridical is represented by 2 judges and executive by the consuls or a dictator. Their functions may change during gameplay so below are only initial esplanations.
The Senate
The senate is made up of all heads of families. It is nominally the representative of the people of Nessos. Its main function is to pass legislation and to represent Nessos with foreign ambassadors. The Senators can agree or disagree with the decisions of the consuls, but the consuls are the heads of state, even though the Senate is representing the people.
The Senate can pass laws and withdraw already passed laws. Laws pass with 60% majority and can be withdrawn with 80% majority. Any senator can propose a law, but please be sensible. Some talking before the law is put forward is appreciated. This also means that you can persuade the senators to agree to accepting the law before it was out up to save the Senates time. But only official voting counts. The senate has a right to propose to elect a dictator if the situation calls for it. The consuls must obey and choose a dictator from one of the players. He can rule for 1/2 term period. No player can be excluded from the senate unless the family and the player move to another state.
Consuls and Dictators
These are the executive branch of the government. The consuls are nominated and elected by the Senate for a 2 year period. A dictator can be elected for a 1 year period if the need arises. All 3 have the power of kings, but are limited by common sense and the fact that they can be accountable once they finish their terms. Neither of them can be taken to court while they are in power. PCs playing any of them should give orders to the whole state as they would for a family. Consuls are expected to cooperate with each other and present one set of orders for their term (i.e. 2 people present 1 list of orders for a state). The main function of all 3 is to lead armies in times of war. Thus they have to be good generals and write good battle plans. They also have to deal with internal problems should the need arise.
Judges and the juridical system
There are two judges in game. Both are elected for a 6 year (3 turns) period so choose wisely. For simplicitys sake there are no defenders or accusers the players would have to do the job for those 2. Any player can take any other player to court for any action save when the defender is a consul or a dictator. The accuser must say what hes accusing the other player of and present the evidence. After he was accused, the defender can choose 1 judge out of 2 and say he will be handling the case. The judge must take all facts into account and make a verdict with accordance to facts and his conscience. If the accuser was found to be wrong he pays a huge fine. One player must loose in such a battle, keep this in mind. Also any player can say (save for the judge) this person (PC) can take my place in court. This means that the first player gave the second player a possibility to defend or attack in the name of the first players family in court. This was done to eliminate the need for 2 governmental posts (there are too many), but still enable people to defend/attack someone else if they want to.
Religion and The Priest
Nessos is a religious state. And one person must perform religious duties. In game this position was added to represent the influence of religion in ancient states. The priests main function is to explain the will of the Gods to the people on current events. His say is very important in crucial times and declarations of big wars. Not to make this job wanted a lot, the Priest is the only Player who has to write a small story per every update. The power of the priest is not limited by anyone (i.e. there are no checks to what he does) so these small stories represent the ceremonies he has to perform every year.
. Anyway here's he full version of provisional rules. The army part and some parts about city & economy are not completely finished.erez87 said:
OR my Version:
History:
The people of Nessos have a long and rich history. It is now impossible to uncover every event that happened in the Nessos Republic, but thanks to the work of ancient historians, and in particular of Triniutus Livus, we can now retell you the stories of the most significant of them.
The history of our glorious city began with the king Nes. It is unknown as to why he was the King or what his relatives were. It is only known that he did exist and that he laid foundations for our state. It is rumoured that the very first Nessoans are the descendants of a ruined, but glorious state of Toria in the East. When survivors hit the land where Nessos is now built on they had to fight for their right to settle with a local tribe. The tribe, after a devastating battle where no one won, merged into the Nessoans tribe. King Nes later found a city on the site of battle and proclaimed that this shall be the capital of the whole world. Nes ruled for over 40 years and is said to have disappeared inside a grey cloud that descended to Earth. His last words were: Live in honour! He created all of our early laws and form of government the Senate. He also built the first 3 sections of the city. Each new one was founded after a war with a local tribe that later merged into Nessos. Nes created the Senate and did have consul with it almost on every question. Thats how the Senate began as an honourable and valued institution. King Nes also established many of religious rituals, some of which are still practiced today. After he was gone the noble families of the Nessos all collected together. They all were grieved that he was gone and proclaimed that no other man shall be King in Nessos as long as the last Nessoan lives. The family leaders all agreed that they shall rules the city in turns and that so no one gets overpower full not one, but two Senators shall be given Kings powers for a 2 year period .
OOC: Heres where the Nes begins. The setup is as follows. All players are members of the senate. 2 get elected to rule the country for two year period (1 game turn). They can be re-elected if the people or the senate like them. Other than being the consuls (king-like rulers) players can occupy more than one governmental post. Players can take each other to court for crimes in war and peace, get elected and organise uprisings if they are not, buy citys productions and lands, trade, create empires of power, the possibilities are virtually unlimited like in any NES. However theres a check. All players belong to one state. So the players better work for the good of the state rather than only for themselves. Almost like in real politics one has to balance between the good of the state and personal goods. Lets see who wins here.
And the RULES:
RULES:
Family
You family is your primary tool and your last line of defence. In this game you are a leader of a family of patricians in your city (Nessos). Your family recognises you as the unquestioned ruler and entrusted you the task of representing her in the countrys senate. Apart from you there are many members in your family and each member is not sitting idly but is doing his or her duty. Some serve in army, some collect crops, some manufacture goods. Your family controls some of the share of overall production in the city and thats represented in the city stats. You as a leader can control general actions of your family and control the state as a public figure.
Example of a family record:
Name of Family/Player: Fabius /Gelion
Men: 437
Ducats: 12400
Wealth: 2400 luxuries, 300 weaponry
Other: golden banner awarded, 300 clients
Name of Family/player easy. Make yup your family name and join
Men male members of your family that can work and fight
Gold - amount of money you have in coins
Wealth - goods that a family possesses (measured in gold equivalent)
Other - there could be family awards by the state or number of people loyal and fed by the family. This parameter is reserved for anything that might be worth recording.
A family could have clients (dependant people from plebs). Those could also play a role in game. As a family leader you can give orders to your family and be in charge of the total wealth of the family. You could spend it all to care for wounded soldiers and win popularity, but your family will be ruined. In your orders you could say what area of production would you like expanded or would you like to see more children (grow population). These orders are not different than in other NESes.
Interestingly if you get killed as a leader you can revive this same turn as some other member of your family who took over leadership.
Orders should consist of 2 parts: family orders and state orders if you occupy a government post and can issue orders.
Timeline each update is two years.
The Government and Other Positions of Power
The Government
The government is made up of 3 branches: executive, legislative and juridical. Legislative is made up of the Senate (for now only the senate). Juridical is represented by 2 judges and executive by the consuls or a dictator. Their functions may change during gameplay so below are only initial esplanations.
The Senate
The senate is made up of all heads of families. It is nominally the representative of the people of Nessos. Its main function is to pass legislation and to represent Nessos with foreign ambassadors. The Senators can agree or disagree with the decisions of the consuls, but the consuls are the heads of state, even though the Senate is representing the people.
The Senate can pass laws and withdraw already passed laws. Laws pass with 60% majority and can be withdrawn with 80% majority. Any senator can propose a law, but please be sensible. Some talking before the law is put forward is appreciated. This also means that you can persuade the senators to agree to accepting the law before it was out up to save the Senates time. But only official voting counts. The senate has a right to propose to elect a dictator if the situation calls for it. The consuls must obey and choose a dictator from one of the players. He can rule for 1/2 term period. No player can be excluded from the senate unless the family and the player move to another state.
Consuls and Dictators
These are the executive branch of the government. The consuls are nominated and elected by the Senate for a 2 year period. A dictator can be elected for a 1 year period if the need arises. All 3 have the power of kings, but are limited by common sense and the fact that they can be accountable once they finish their terms. Neither of them can be taken to court while they are in power. PCs playing any of them should give orders to the whole state as they would for a family. Consuls are expected to cooperate with each other and present one set of orders for their term (i.e. 2 people present 1 list of orders for a state). The main function of all 3 is to lead armies in times of war. Thus they have to be good generals and write good battle plans. They also have to deal with internal problems should the need arise.
Judges and the juridical system
There are two judges in game. Both are elected for a 6 year (3 turns) period so choose wisely. For simplicitys sake there are no defenders or accusers the players would have to do the job for those 2. Any player can take any other player to court for any action save when the defender is a consul or a dictator. The accuser must say what hes accusing the other player of and present the evidence. After he was accused, the defender can choose 1 judge out of 2 and say he will be handling the case. The judge must take all facts into account and make a verdict with accordance to facts and his conscience. If the accuser was found to be wrong he pays a huge fine. One player must loose in such a battle, keep this in mind. Also any player can say (save for the judge) this person (PC) can take my place in court. This means that the first player gave the second player a possibility to defend or attack in the name of the first players family in court. This was done to eliminate the need for 2 governmental posts (there are too many), but still enable people to defend/attack someone else if they want to.
Religion and The Priest
Nessos is a religious state. And one person must perform religious duties. In game this position was added to represent the influence of religion in ancient states. The priests main function is to explain the will of the Gods to the people on current events. His say is very important in crucial times and declarations of big wars. Not to make this job wanted a lot, the Priest is the only Player who has to write a small story per every update. The power of the priest is not limited by anyone (i.e. there are no checks to what he does) so these small stories represent the ceremonies he has to perform every year.
Gelion
Retired Captain
City and City Stats
Our state is a city-state with all resources concentrated in one place, at least at the beginning. All the resources that the government possesses are in Nessos itself. In theory later some other cities might help us, but even then everything should be concentrated in the capital. Other than this all cities have the same stats and functions. Non-Nessos or NPCs states are organised in the same way as PC-nation.
City-state Example:
Name: Nola
Population: 34500 Nolans
Treasury: 234000 gold
Industries:
Peasantry: 23000 worth/ 1200 annual income/ 93% city 5% Nessos 2% Crassius family
Winemaking: 23000 worth/ 1200 annual income/ 50% city 25% Cornius Family 25% Crassius family
Military Production: etc
Trade Income? 3400 coins (NOT A PRODUCTION)
Garrison: 2300 noble horsemen, 6700 legionnaires/ 25 triremes 300 seamen
Other Possessions: 2300 slaves? 20 trade ships (or move them to garrison)
Population city population excluding the family members. This stat also contains nationality of inhabitants.
Treasury amount of coins in city treasury. This stat can also contain other goods in city.
Garrison and various industries are explained below:
Production and Industries:
Heres the new bit. Its easier to invent than explain. Technically a city produces lots of things: war goods, food, wood, ships etc. All those goods will be very difficult to have in game and manage properly. Instead we introduce the money equivalent. For example Nessos could produce 25003 wroth of food (in coins). With me? Ok so now we can use this in barter like change 20000 worth of foods for the same worth of military weaponry. (I of course assume that the relative prices are always the same). This way we can exchange goods without actually having a stat for each and every needed good. Now. Who produces all this? Of course it the city. But with time influential families might buy some of production. Some buy land and therefore buy peasant business. These are represented in %, like shares. For example Crassius family could buy 3% of the citys farms and get the revenue from it each turn. Of course buying it would be very expensive. Of course production can decrease and increase depending if you pour money to its development or not. Wars and economic booms also could affect production.
% of production merely means that X% are working for a specific owner. For example: 45% city 13% Crassuis family, 12% Nessos City 30% Tarion family.
Again there is a great number of different industries that provide different goods: Peasantry and farming, mines, military production, smiting, pottery, construction, commodity warehouses, winery, shipbuilding, cattle-raising and many other. Some cities would not have all industries. Except for shipbuilding cities would not give actual production; everything will be measured in coin equivalent. All coins go to their respective owners. I hope you are still with me
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Cities can own part of other cities production too. Slaves can be owned by cities or private families and add to the production in a city. Trade is also a source of income Varies with time, does not depend on anything, but trade agreements or numbers of trade ships.
Ive decided that industries consist of annual income and owners %. If you want to increase the income pour money or put people into it.
City Example
Name: Nola
Population: 34500/ 2300 slaves able male population
Treasury: 234000 coins (well think of a name for coins)
Industries:
Peasantry: 1200 annual income/ 93% city 5% Nessos 2% Crassius family
Winemaking: 3200 annual income/ 50% city 25% Cornius Family 25% Crassius family
Military Production: etc
Trade Income 3400 coins
Garrison: 2300 noble horsemen, 6700 legionnaires/ 25 triremes 300 seamen
Other Possessions: 20 trade ships (or move them to garrison)
City Orders -
City can be managed the same way as a country. Mind that if you take people away from one part of city industry and put them into the other, the first industry will shrink. It is generally better to put newcomers or newborn to the new industries. You could order increasing some of the industries for the budget or order people to live happily. The only rule that must be followed a citizen can survive on 1 gold worth of food . Do not lower the peasantry below the needed level.
NOTE:
This NES is about people. Everything is made up of them. Ships have seamen; ballistas have men who serve them. This should not be forgotten and used in game. So when building triremes remember that they need man also.
Army and Fleet
Both require equipment and people. Ships can be built as well as weapons but they can also be bought in times of war. Once you get the weapons and armour you can recruit people into the army. Army does not require food in this NES, but they like to plunder cities (reward for service). Men are requited into the ary from city population.
Possible Example of Fleet:
Fleet Name: Crassius Fleet
Ships: 143 Triremes
Seamen: 3501 seamen/ 150 sea legionnaires
Cargo: 3000 troopers, 12000 coins
Army stats:
Army Name: Crassius Army/1st Consul Army
Men: 400 heavy troopers, 300 light, 300 cavalry (all Romans)
Commander(s): Crassius
Army storage: 3000 worth of luxuries 2400 Latin Slaves
Former camps and armies should appear on the map. As well as fleets. Commanders issue orders for the whole army just like in other NESes. The mod can provide initial environment and enemy power for the commanders to decide on the orders. So that they know who they are fighting.
Sorry this is a bit rushed as I ran out of time. Questions are welcomed.
Erez you need to do the following formulas/lists:
Population growth formulas
Industry growth formulas
Trade dependency formulas and shipbuilding industry formula
City and family stats
Army Equipment Prices
You can change the times of service I dont care.
ex. 400 heavy troops euipment sets - 1200 gold
10 triremes - 2000 gold
300 cavalry sets - 3000 gold
etc.
You could add fortifications too.
Our state is a city-state with all resources concentrated in one place, at least at the beginning. All the resources that the government possesses are in Nessos itself. In theory later some other cities might help us, but even then everything should be concentrated in the capital. Other than this all cities have the same stats and functions. Non-Nessos or NPCs states are organised in the same way as PC-nation.
City-state Example:
Name: Nola
Population: 34500 Nolans
Treasury: 234000 gold
Industries:
Peasantry: 23000 worth/ 1200 annual income/ 93% city 5% Nessos 2% Crassius family
Winemaking: 23000 worth/ 1200 annual income/ 50% city 25% Cornius Family 25% Crassius family
Military Production: etc
Trade Income? 3400 coins (NOT A PRODUCTION)
Garrison: 2300 noble horsemen, 6700 legionnaires/ 25 triremes 300 seamen
Other Possessions: 2300 slaves? 20 trade ships (or move them to garrison)
Population city population excluding the family members. This stat also contains nationality of inhabitants.
Treasury amount of coins in city treasury. This stat can also contain other goods in city.
Garrison and various industries are explained below:
Production and Industries:
Heres the new bit. Its easier to invent than explain. Technically a city produces lots of things: war goods, food, wood, ships etc. All those goods will be very difficult to have in game and manage properly. Instead we introduce the money equivalent. For example Nessos could produce 25003 wroth of food (in coins). With me? Ok so now we can use this in barter like change 20000 worth of foods for the same worth of military weaponry. (I of course assume that the relative prices are always the same). This way we can exchange goods without actually having a stat for each and every needed good. Now. Who produces all this? Of course it the city. But with time influential families might buy some of production. Some buy land and therefore buy peasant business. These are represented in %, like shares. For example Crassius family could buy 3% of the citys farms and get the revenue from it each turn. Of course buying it would be very expensive. Of course production can decrease and increase depending if you pour money to its development or not. Wars and economic booms also could affect production.
% of production merely means that X% are working for a specific owner. For example: 45% city 13% Crassuis family, 12% Nessos City 30% Tarion family.
Again there is a great number of different industries that provide different goods: Peasantry and farming, mines, military production, smiting, pottery, construction, commodity warehouses, winery, shipbuilding, cattle-raising and many other. Some cities would not have all industries. Except for shipbuilding cities would not give actual production; everything will be measured in coin equivalent. All coins go to their respective owners. I hope you are still with me
.Cities can own part of other cities production too. Slaves can be owned by cities or private families and add to the production in a city. Trade is also a source of income Varies with time, does not depend on anything, but trade agreements or numbers of trade ships.
Ive decided that industries consist of annual income and owners %. If you want to increase the income pour money or put people into it.
City Example
Name: Nola
Population: 34500/ 2300 slaves able male population
Treasury: 234000 coins (well think of a name for coins)
Industries:
Peasantry: 1200 annual income/ 93% city 5% Nessos 2% Crassius family
Winemaking: 3200 annual income/ 50% city 25% Cornius Family 25% Crassius family
Military Production: etc
Trade Income 3400 coins
Garrison: 2300 noble horsemen, 6700 legionnaires/ 25 triremes 300 seamen
Other Possessions: 20 trade ships (or move them to garrison)
City Orders -
City can be managed the same way as a country. Mind that if you take people away from one part of city industry and put them into the other, the first industry will shrink. It is generally better to put newcomers or newborn to the new industries. You could order increasing some of the industries for the budget or order people to live happily. The only rule that must be followed a citizen can survive on 1 gold worth of food . Do not lower the peasantry below the needed level.
NOTE:
This NES is about people. Everything is made up of them. Ships have seamen; ballistas have men who serve them. This should not be forgotten and used in game. So when building triremes remember that they need man also.
Army and Fleet
Both require equipment and people. Ships can be built as well as weapons but they can also be bought in times of war. Once you get the weapons and armour you can recruit people into the army. Army does not require food in this NES, but they like to plunder cities (reward for service). Men are requited into the ary from city population.
Possible Example of Fleet:
Fleet Name: Crassius Fleet
Ships: 143 Triremes
Seamen: 3501 seamen/ 150 sea legionnaires
Cargo: 3000 troopers, 12000 coins
Army stats:
Army Name: Crassius Army/1st Consul Army
Men: 400 heavy troopers, 300 light, 300 cavalry (all Romans)
Commander(s): Crassius
Army storage: 3000 worth of luxuries 2400 Latin Slaves
Former camps and armies should appear on the map. As well as fleets. Commanders issue orders for the whole army just like in other NESes. The mod can provide initial environment and enemy power for the commanders to decide on the orders. So that they know who they are fighting.
Sorry this is a bit rushed as I ran out of time. Questions are welcomed.
Erez you need to do the following formulas/lists:
Population growth formulas
Industry growth formulas
Trade dependency formulas and shipbuilding industry formula
City and family stats
Army Equipment Prices
You can change the times of service I dont care.
ex. 400 heavy troops euipment sets - 1200 gold
10 triremes - 2000 gold
300 cavalry sets - 3000 gold
etc.
You could add fortifications too.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
I am confused.
das
Regeneration In Process
Neither do I, neither do I...
Erez - when do you start again?
Gelion
Retired Captain
erez87 said:
Photobucket.com is the place.
How are the rules going?
Gelion
Retired Captain
This look like it will be great, so here's my family.
Corpii
The Corpii family original came from Pila around 170 AB, lead then by Gaius Corpus. As Nessos grew so did the Corpii and their influence, by 213 AB they had been accepted in to the higher classes mainly by the effort of the not so honest methods of the richer members of the family.
Although they are not the most influencial and noble of familes in Nessos, they do understand how to use the republic's strengths and weaknesses to their advantage whatever the cost.
Corpii
The Corpii family original came from Pila around 170 AB, lead then by Gaius Corpus. As Nessos grew so did the Corpii and their influence, by 213 AB they had been accepted in to the higher classes mainly by the effort of the not so honest methods of the richer members of the family.
Although they are not the most influencial and noble of familes in Nessos, they do understand how to use the republic's strengths and weaknesses to their advantage whatever the cost.
