Only 30 Civs in base game (+ Shawnee)

[Eagle Pursuit]

I may have missed it, but is Qing 100% confirmed, outside from a wonder (that at this point does not confirm inclusion) and a mention in an earlier article about civ continuity (mentioned alongside Japan, which by now is unlikely to have 3-age presence)?

There was a leak that correctly identified Han and Ming for Antiquity and Exploration. As well as Confucius. So, it has credibility. It likewise said Qing for Modern China.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Don't even need the govt. Allow me to introduce the biggest embarrassment of the Chinese player community to the outside world: Steam review bomb......

(In more serious terms: I know some Chinese players who are pretty dissatisfied with the Han design, and sadly a Steam review bomb won't be out of picture for them. Luckily it might just be of relatively small scale, but if it goes out of the hand, a negative review on Steam to those who didn't realize there is review bombing specifically coming from one region would be very unfortunate.)

I'm not sure how important Steam reviews are for AAA games. They never get rated any better than Mixed, because somebody's always mad at them about something.

I think Steam reviews are very important for small studios, but personally I don't even look at them for releases from major studios. Reviews from credible sources are easy to get for AAA games and that's what I look at, instead.

 

[8housesofelixir]

I'm not sure how important Steam reviews are for AAA games. They never get rated any better than Mixed, because somebody's always mad at them about something.

I think Steam reviews are very important for small studios, but personally I don't even look at them for releases from major studios. Reviews from credible sources are easy to get for AAA games and that's what I look at, instead.

Civ series is not really an AAA game series. Although the category "AAA games" pretty much lost its meaning nowadays.

 

[moysturfurmer]

Civ series is not really an AAA game series. Although the category "AAA games" pretty much lost its meaning nowadays.

It’s published by the same people who publish GTA and is the biggest franchise of its genre. I’m not sure how we’re defining AAA if it doesn’t meet the threshold.

 

[Zaarin]

Civ series is not really an AAA game series. Although the category "AAA games" pretty much lost its meaning nowadays.

I'd call it AAA in the sense that it certainly has a AAA budget and AAA publisher, though it has yet to succumb to the mediocrity that plagues the general AAA market.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Civ series is not really an AAA game series. Although the category "AAA games" pretty much lost its meaning nowadays.

Released by a major studio is probably a better way to say it, although that's also subjective.

 

[8housesofelixir]

It’s published by the same people who publish GTA and is the biggest franchise of its genre. I’m not sure how we’re defining AAA if it doesn’t meet the threshold.

GTA has no relationship with Civ series - publisher =/= developer. Rockstar and FXS are very different entities.

AAA as a category is studio-based, not publisher-based. As @Zaarin said the traditional definition is budget (and also manpower/studio size), spend enough and you are an AAA game.

 

[moysturfurmer]

GTA has no relationship with Civ series - publisher =/= developer. Rockstar and FXS are very different entities.

AAA as a category is studio-based, not publisher-based. As @Zaarin said the traditional definition is budget (and also manpower/studio size), spend enough and you are an AAA game.

Right but 2K has a lot of money and Civ is a money maker for them. Civ probably has the biggest budget of any 4x game on the market

 

[Atlas627]

Alright so we're looking at 10 Civs per era, huh? So time to make some real guesses:

Han	Ming	Qing
Khmer	Majapahit	Meiji Japan
Maurya India	Chola India	Mughal India
Achaemenid Persia	Mongolia	Safavid Iran
Mississippians	Hawaii	America
Greece	Normans	Britain
Rome	Spain	France
Egypt	Abbasids	Buganda
Aksum	Songhai	Russia
Maya	Inca	Gran Colombia

Greece -> Norman/Spain/Inca(if mountains), Normans -> France/Britain, Spain -> France/Gran Colombia
Rome -> Norman/Abbasids, Abbasids -> Buganda/Safavid Iran
Egypt -> Abbasids/Songhai/Mongolia(if horses), Songhai -> Buganda/France (for the city-of-lights on the river, not the colonization), Mongolia -> Russia/Mughal India
Aksum -> Chola India/Abbasids/Inca(if mountains), Chola India -> Mughal India/Safavid Iran/Britain (for the seafaring, not the colonization)
Maya -> Inca/Shawnee/Spain(if no Shawnee), Inca -> America/Gran Colombia
Mississippians -> Hawaii/Inca/Shawnee/Songhai (if no Shawnee, for the rivers), Hawaii -> America/Meiji Japan
Han -> Ming/Hawaii(if coastal)/Mongolia(if horses), Ming -> Qing/Meiji Japan/Russia
Khmer -> Majapahit/Chola India/Ming, Majapahit -> Meiji Japan/Mughal India
Achaemenid Persia -> Abbasids/Mongolia/Ming(if huge population)
Maurya India -> Chola India/Majapahit(if coastal)/Inca(if mountains)

Shawnee -> America/France (rivers again)/Gran Colombia (confederation of states)

I'm going to keep refining this but I'm happy for now.

 

[Xandinho]

Alright so we're looking at 10 Civs per era, huh? So time to make some real guesses:

Han	Ming	Qing
Khmer	Majapahit	Meiji Japan
Maurya India	Chola India	Mughal India
Achaemenid Persia	Mongolia	Safavid Iran
Mississippians	Hawaii	America
Greece	Normans	Britain
Rome	Spain	France
Egypt	Abbasids	Buganda
Aksum	Songhai	Russia
Maya	Inca	Gran Colombia

Greece -> Norman/Spain/Inca(if mountains), Normans -> France/Britain, Spain -> France/Gran Colombia
Rome -> Norman/Abbasids, Abbasids -> Buganda/Safavid Iran
Egypt -> Abbasids/Songhai/Mongolia(if horses), Songhai -> Buganda/France (for the city-of-lights on the river, not the colonization), Mongolia -> Russia/Mughal India
Aksum -> Chola India/Abbasids/Inca(if mountains), Chola India -> Mughal India/Safavid Iran/Britain (for the seafaring, not the colonization)
Maya -> Inca/Shawnee/Spain(if no Shawnee), Inca -> America/Gran Colombia
Mississippians -> Hawaii/Inca/Shawnee/Songhai (if no Shawnee, for the rivers), Hawaii -> America/Meiji Japan
Han -> Ming/Hawaii(if coastal)/Mongolia(if horses), Ming -> Qing/Meiji Japan/Russia
Khmer -> Majapahit/Chola India/Ming, Majapahit -> Meiji Japan/Mughal India
Achaemenid Persia -> Abbasids/Mongolia/Ming(if huge population)
Maurya India -> Chola India/Majapahit(if coastal)/Inca(if mountains)

Shawnee -> America/France (rivers again)/Gran Colombia (confederation of states)

I'm going to keep refining this but I'm happy for now.

There's a screenshot out there revealing Siam. And given that the Panzer was also seen, I'd say Germany is more likely than Russia now.

 

[AriochIV]

I'd be very hesitant to predict the last few civs. I mean... who could have predicted "Buganda"...

 

[Voidwalkin]

I'm kind of late to this thread, so does this mean we can't play with more than 10 civs in a game? That's kind of disappointing

Yeah, it's not ideal for me either. Huge map with as many as possible for me.

Effectively the civ diversity I've had present on the map will be reduced by 50%, relative to past installments. More, if you include that by the end of game life time I was rotating in various civs.

Bigger maps will be supported later. By this time more civs will come in. By next September we'll have 13 civs per age.

This is also unideal. My wallet has finite depth.

I mean I'd like all the civs, but it's going to have to be weighed relative to what other media is available to me while remaining within my budget. I can't imagine I'm the only one thinking that the price tag to play a game with 20 civs per era might be in the range of 120 to 300 dollars. At the high end that's about half of my monthly savings over expenses!

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

Alright so we're looking at 10 Civs per era, huh? So time to make some real guesses:

Han	Ming	Qing
Khmer	Majapahit	Meiji Japan
Maurya India	Chola India	Mughal India
Achaemenid Persia	Mongolia	Safavid Iran
Mississippians	Hawaii	America
Greece	Normans	Britain
Rome	Spain	France
Egypt	Abbasids	Buganda
Aksum	Songhai	Russia
Maya	Inca	Gran Colombia

Greece -> Norman/Spain/Inca(if mountains), Normans -> France/Britain, Spain -> France/Gran Colombia
Rome -> Norman/Abbasids, Abbasids -> Buganda/Safavid Iran
Egypt -> Abbasids/Songhai/Mongolia(if horses), Songhai -> Buganda/France (for the city-of-lights on the river, not the colonization), Mongolia -> Russia/Mughal India
Aksum -> Chola India/Abbasids/Inca(if mountains), Chola India -> Mughal India/Safavid Iran/Britain (for the seafaring, not the colonization)
Maya -> Inca/Shawnee/Spain(if no Shawnee), Inca -> America/Gran Colombia
Mississippians -> Hawaii/Inca/Shawnee/Songhai (if no Shawnee, for the rivers), Hawaii -> America/Meiji Japan
Han -> Ming/Hawaii(if coastal)/Mongolia(if horses), Ming -> Qing/Meiji Japan/Russia
Khmer -> Majapahit/Chola India/Ming, Majapahit -> Meiji Japan/Mughal India
Achaemenid Persia -> Abbasids/Mongolia/Ming(if huge population)
Maurya India -> Chola India/Majapahit(if coastal)/Inca(if mountains)

Shawnee -> America/France (rivers again)/Gran Colombia (confederation of states)

I'm going to keep refining this but I'm happy for now.

Siam is semi-confirmed Modern Age from the file names of promotional images.

 

[Krikkit1]

I'd be very hesitant to predict the last few civs. I mean... who could have predicted "Buganda"...

Buganda specifically no... a Subsaharan Africa Civ... yes

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I'd be very hesitant to predict the last few civs. I mean... who could have predicted "Buganda"...

Buganda was revealed early to keep us all Humble.

Let's not forget that in our promiscuous prognostications . . .

 

[Atlas627]

Hmm yes we have filenames of Siam, but the base game Civ6 also had filenames for Aztecs, Macedon, and Persia (the latter 2 for scenarios, and Aztecs as Day 1 DLC). Is it possible Siam is one of those? Same with the Panzer: might it be a scenario?

 

[AriochIV]

Hmm yes we have filenames of Siam, but the base game Civ6 also had filenames for Aztecs, Macedon, and Persia (the latter 2 for scenarios, and Aztecs as Day 1 DLC). Is it possible Siam is one of those? Same with the Panzer: might it be a scenario?

This wasn't something fished out of the game directories; it was a marketing image released to the public.

 

[Disgustipated]

I can't see Germany not being in the game. This is the problem they run into. They have to represent all regions of the world, but leaving out significant European civilizations doesn't seem right.

 

[uppi]

I'd be very hesitant to predict the last few civs. I mean... who could have predicted "Buganda"...

There is not enough space to fit all the civs we have some sort of evidence for. So at this point, if we have not seen anything, it is likely not in. I doubt that any civ is left which meets the surprise level of Buganda.

 

[JNR13]

I think Britain is less likely than people make it out to be. Ed emphasized in the PAX talk how namedropping these possible civs is not a reveal. I think outside for India and China which needed their monolithic appearance broken up, the focus for launch will be to avoid stacking to achieve representing as many "regular" civs as possible. So a first German, a first Russian civ seems more likely to me than a second English one. Especially since America is already there as a possible succession for the anglos. Britain not being in might also be the reason the talk about Normans actually ended with the reveal of France instead.

I'd love to see Ottomans before Qing but I think it's unlikely and the modern roster will be: America, France, Meiji, Siam, Mughal, Buganda (all confirmed) and then Mexico, Germany, Russia, and Qing.