Though I don't think it is confirmed that every age will have 10, it's the most probable explanation. If there is only one left it has to be Persia.
I'm now starting to get afraid that might be the only Persia in the game, even including DLC/expansions, especially if that icon is a Persian lion which would make more sense for a Safavid Persia later on.
I mean, we willed Tamar of Georgia into Civ VI. The devs clearly pay attention to the discourse among the community. If we make a big enough stink about Safavids/Qajar/Sassanids/etc there’s always a chance they add them later and tweak some UI/name elements of the existing Persia to fit it. Bear in mind some City States in VI wound up becoming full Civs in later expansions
I'm now starting to get afraid that might be the only Persia in the game, even including DLC/expansions, especially if that icon is a Persian lion which would make more sense for a Safavid Persia later on.
It sure is for the base game. And I suppose also for the first round of DLCs.
Iran is such a low hanging fruit for a good stacked civ though, additionally to being a region from which you branch off (or join in) from the Middle East, India, and central Asia. E.g., you can "organically" go from Egypt to a Persian civ to the Mughals - or from Maurya via a Persian civ to the Ottomans. It's also a favorite of many players with interest in history I assume, and there aren't many places that have more than enough possible wonders from the past 4000 years. I won't believe we are not going to see two other versions of Iran for the game at some point, and I'm sure one of them will be the Safavids. I would like to have them in the same age as the Mughals and Ottomans, thus in the third Age, which would exclude the Qajars. Icons and names are easily changed, look at AoE2 for example that de-blobbed the Indian fraction nicely in a DLC.
Though I don't think it is confirmed that every age will have 10, it's the most probable explanation. If there is only one left it has to be Persia.
I'm now starting to get afraid that might be the only Persia in the game, even including DLC/expansions, especially if that icon is a Persian lion which would make more sense for a Safavid Persia later on.
We'll have to see the elements of Persian civilization and how far they extend beyond the Achaemenid period. If they decide to label antiquity Persia simply as "Persia" instead of "Achaemenid Persia," I'll be quite concerned as well. Civ has a history of almost never looking at Persia beyond its Achaemenid era.
Looking at India, would the Mughals be an actually popular choice in the local market?
Not that there was any viable alternative (assuming they didn't want to go to the decolonization era already in the first game)
We'll have to see the elements of Persian civilization and how far they extend beyond the Achaemenid period. If they decide to label antiquity Persia simply as "Persia" instead of "Achaemenid Persia," I'll be quite concerned as well. Civ has a history of almost never looking at Persia beyond its Achaemenid era.
Well, it's been pointed out that there seems to be a mixture of both Achaemenid and Sassanid architecture in the cities. So, I wouldn't be surprised if a Sassanid civ is ruled out, but I agree that doesn't rule out other more modern iterations.
Looking at India, would the Mughals be an actually popular choice in the local market?
Not that there was any viable alternative (assuming they didn't want to go to the decolonization era already in the first game)
Well, it's been pointed out that there seems to be a mixture of both Achaemenid and Sassanid architecture in the cities. So, I wouldn't be surprised if a Sassanid civ is ruled out, but I agree that doesn't rule out other more modern iterations.
Afaik the state itself is often persecuting muslims, so I have to assume a clear majority doesn't see themselves as tied to muslims. I wasn't commenting on India being right/wrong there, just making a comment about how the choice of Mughals may be received by the local market.
Afaik the state itself is often persecuting muslims, so I have to assume a clear majority doesn't see themselves as tied to muslims. I wasn't commenting on India being right/wrong there, just making a comment about how the choice of Mughals may be received by the local market.
I put “they” in quotation marks for a reason. Your statement implies that “India” wholly comprises a certain aspect of the Hindu majority, which it doesn’t, and then I pointed out how the representation of India is more holistic in Civ 7 than any other Civ.
Well, it's been pointed out that there seems to be a mixture of both Achaemenid and Sassanid architecture in the cities. So, I wouldn't be surprised if a Sassanid civ is ruled out, but I agree that doesn't rule out other more modern iterations.
To me, it's very likely that only India and China will be given this treatment. Size of those two markets being key in the decision.
I think Firaxis is going to be swamped with complaints from other regions so thoroughly that they are going to cater to those markets before considering later representations of Persia. They may mean to, but they'll never get around to it. This will be a consequence of this depth approach; a high standard requiring more dev time has been established, graphically and with unique units and bonuses, necessitating time, time and more time.
I'm not really sure what would reasonably be expected to be their avg length between DLC releases, but if it's long, there's a pretty distinct chance that the total number of officially released civs is pretty limited, to the complete satisfaction of few, worst case scenario. Best case is that its short, cheap, and the total of civs offered by end of total development greatly exceeds past installments.
As a lurker of CN forums for Civ7, Chinese reception of Qing is along the lines of “Ugh, fine”. I don’t know anything about the sentiments of the Indian playerbase, but I can imagine it going the same way with Mughal.
Better than Chola > British or Ming > Meiji as default. Now THESE have the potential to cause storms of biblical proportions.
As a lurker of CN forums for Civ7, Chinese reception of Qing is along the lines of “Ugh, fine”. I don’t know anything about the sentiments of the Indian playerbase, but I can imagine it going the same way with Mughal.
I guess a lot of Han Chinese people view the Qing as an invader dynasty. The Qing was founded by the Manchu people who spoke a Tungusic language, and homeland was in present day Northeastern China. They would view the Yuan Dynasty in a similar manner too (Mongol founded).
A mix of Manchu origins and Qing being closely associated with the Century of Humiliation. In general, Qing are not viewed favorably through the modern Chinese lens, as their poor decisions in the later years is what led to China losing its position in the world and getting exploited by the Western powers. One could argue that the writing was already on the wall when China self-isolated during Ming, but that cause and effect is not as visible to an average person.
I’d say the best-received transition (regardless of how they fit Civ7’s age definitions) would’ve been Han-Tang-Ming.
Yes, most likely, though I'm not sure how else China would be represented unless they moved Ming to Modern and it was either Tang or Song in Exploration.
I mean, we willed Tamar of Georgia into Civ VI. The devs clearly pay attention to the discourse among the community. If we make a big enough stink about Safavids/Qajar/Sassanids/etc there’s always a chance they add them later and tweak some UI/name elements of the existing Persia to fit it. Bear in mind some City States in VI wound up becoming full Civs in later expansions
We should be very careful about what civ or leader we collectively will into existence and agree as soon as possible that the correct choice is Montezuma II.
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