Only 30 Civs in base game (+ Shawnee)

[Zaarin]

I think they'll get 2 civs, not 3.

It's possible. I'm less familiar with Japan, but I think Silla could easily signal a Silla > Goryeo > Joseon through-line.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Japan and Korea have been sort of teased for the future.

6 dll was, too, though.

It's difficult envisioning 4 civs created there, if there turns out to be no Russia, if Spain turns into France, if there's no Brazil, Turkey, or as far as I can tell any representative of the whole of the Arabic world for the modern period.

That may be the plan. I'm not sure they'll stick to it. Kinda doubt it. Lot needs attention elsewhere.

 

[pokiehl]

6 dll was, too, though.

I don’t think this is true. I modded Civ 6 starting as soon as it came out.

They only ever said one thing about the DLL and it was post-Gathering Storm. “No current plans to release it.”

 

[Zaarin]

It's difficult envisioning 4 civs created there, if there turns out to be no Russia, if Spain turns into France, if there's no Brazil, Turkey, or as far as I can tell any representative of the whole of the Arabic world for the modern period.

That may be the plan. I'm not sure they'll stick to it. Kinda doubt it. Lot needs attention elsewhere.

We probably have ten years or more to fill in civs.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

It's possible. I'm less familiar with Japan, but I think Silla could easily signal a Silla > Goryeo > Joseon through-line.

Japan will easily get another. There's no way they will just have Meiji Japan and no form of Feudal Japan with Samurai. Korea I'm less sure of but they will at least have Modern Joseon, though they could always just call it Korea.

 

[Zaarin]

Japan will easily get another. There's no way they will just have Meiji Japan and no form of Feudal Japan with Samurai.

Oh, I'm 100% sure we'll get Feudal Japan; Antiquity Japan is the question.

Korea I'm less sure of but they will at least have Modern Joseon, though they could always just call it Korea.

They've been avoiding modern nation-states and have an easy alternative in Joseon.

 

[Xandinho]

Oh, I'm 100% sure we'll get Feudal Japan; Antiquity Japan is the question.

Given the flexibility in how the eras are defined, I think they don’t necessarily need to go too far back to create an antiquity Japan. They could simply classify the Kamakura or Muromachi periods as part of the Antiquity Age and then treat the Edo period as part of the Exploration Age.

There may be some complaints about this, though. However, we have Khmer in the Antiquity Age, so I wouldn't see this as impossible.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

They've been avoiding modern nation-states and have an easy alternative in Joseon.

I meant it would still be called Korea but based off of Joseon dynasty. But you're probably right it will be called Joseon, or Joseon Korea if there are more in earlier ages.
Technically Korea isn't even the name of the modern nation-state as it's split between North and South Korea.

Given the flexibility in how the eras are defined, I think they don’t necessarily need to go too far back to create an antiquity Japan. They could simply classify the Kamakura or Muromachi periods as part of the Antiquity Age and then treat the Edo period as part of the Exploration Age.

There may be some complaints about this, though. However, we have Khmer in the Antiquity Age, so I wouldn't see this as impossible.

I feel that pre-Shogunate Japan for the Antiquity Age makes much more sense, like the Heian. Otherwise, it would kind of feel kind of redundant, but maybe that's just me?
Though that could open up the possibility of getting Antiquity Samurai and Exploration Age Ashigaru unique units.

 

[ColtSeavers]

They are not ruled out.

I do not expect to see them at any point, though.

To me, it's very likely that only India and China will be given this treatment. Size of those two markets being key in the decision.

Is that really the case? Are the Sales figures by country published anywhere? Acctually, I would have guessed that US Sales are far higher than any other country, and that India and probably even China don't generate more revenue than Britain or Germany. But maybe I'm also totally mistaken here...

 

[pokiehl]

Is that really the case? Are the Sales figures by country published anywhere? Acctually, I would have guessed that US Sales are far higher than any other country, and that India and probably even China don't generate more revenue than Britain or Germany. But maybe I'm also totally mistaken here...

There’s no country-by-country sales data for Civ. The best you can go by is googling general videogame sales figures.

Revenue figures vary based on different metrics, but in general you’ll find the top 3 spenders are USA, China, and Japan, with Japan being a very distant 3rd.

 

[Sagax]

One way to get an idea of regional sales is to look at Steam review distributions based on the review language. Not super accurate, but it can be helpful to gauge market in some cases (Black Myth Wukong, anyone?)

 

[dagriggstar]

Civ IV launched with 26 animated leaders. (Civ II’s 42 leaders were just pictures so I’m counting the 21 animated heralds instead.) That means with extra personas included they gotta hit 27.

Animated Davy Crocket is mad that he doesn’t count because he is just a herald for Abraham Lincoln.

 

[chaosprophet]

Japan and Korea have been sort of teased for the future.

Yeah, naming Japan "Meiji Japan" means they at least leaving open for adding other ages versions. Korea is from know wonders? at least the ancient version one.

 

[HanNorwood]

Japan will easily get another. There's no way they will just have Meiji Japan and no form of Feudal Japan with Samurai. Korea I'm less sure of but they will at least have Modern Joseon, though they could always just call it Korea.

Feudal Japan would be a really good fit in the Right to Rule pack, I think. Exploration Age Civ that goes against the grain with a design that encourages the Civ to keep to itself even when the world gets bigger.

 

[Zaarin]

Korea is from know wonders? at least the ancient version one.

Yes, Silla from Emille Bell. Since it seems highly probably we'll also see Modern Joseon, it seems pretty straightforward to connect Antiquity Silla and Modern Joseon with Exploration Goryeo--if not right away then eventually.

 

[chaosprophet]

Yes, Silla from Emille Bell. Since it seems highly probably we'll also see Modern Joseon, it seems pretty straightforward to connect Antiquity Silla and Modern Joseon with Exploration Goryeo--if not right away then eventually.

The hate each other pack coming with 3 koreans civs and 2 japan civs...

 

[RedCourtJester]

Yes, Silla from Emille Bell. Since it seems highly probably we'll also see Modern Joseon, it seems pretty straightforward to connect Antiquity Silla and Modern Joseon with Exploration Goryeo--if not right away then eventually.

Furthermore, I think it is very fair to say that if Korea gets Silla, Japan will assuredly get Yamatai (maybe Heian, but if we reach to Asuka we might as well treat Yamatai-Asuka as a kind of blob).

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

We should be very careful about what civ or leader we collectively will into existence and agree as soon as possible that the correct choice is Montezuma II.

Funnily enough I wouldn't even be mad. If they get in Exploration, and that age deals with religion, I could see him having an agenda similar to Mvemba where he invites anyone in with a religion. But unlike Mvemba, he thinks you are the "god".

Furthermore, I think it is very fair to say that if Korea gets Silla, Japan will assuredly get Yamatai (maybe Heian, but if we reach to Asuka we might as well treat Yamatai-Asuka as a kind of blob).

Somehow, I think they both would. Antiquity Japan would have all their bonuses pre-Shogunate, and Exploration Japan would have all Shogunate bonuses.

 

[Zaarin]

Funnily enough I wouldn't even be mad. If they get in Exploration, and that age deals with religion, I could see him having an agenda similar to Mvemba where he invites anyone in with a religion. But unlike Mvemba, he thinks you are the "god".

Considering the first reference to the idea that Cortes was perceived as a god comes from decades after the conquest and quite possibly from Cortes's overinflated view of himself...I would be very annoyed. Contemporary accounts seem to suggest that the Aztecs didn't consider Cortes's landing party even worth their notice until it became a full-scale uprising. So was Montezuma II arrogant and culpably complacent? Yes. An easily cowed superstitious primitive? Probably not.

 

[Black Gate]

Given the flexibility in how the eras are defined, I think they don’t necessarily need to go too far back to create an antiquity Japan. They could simply classify the Kamakura or Muromachi periods as part of the Antiquity Age and then treat the Edo period as part of the Exploration Age.

There may be some complaints about this, though. However, we have Khmer in the Antiquity Age, so I wouldn't see this as impossible.

It would definitely be a missed opportunity IMO to not represent antiquity Japan with the Asuka/Nara/Heian periods instead of yet another samurai civ. If antiquity civs are about the expansion of civilisation against non-civilising powers, then the expansion of the Yamato state absorbing the other tiny localities of the archipelago and pushing back the tribal Emishi (probably ancestors of the Ainu, or at least a related people) seems to fit really well. The seven centuries of shogunate rule over Japan then fits as an easy exploration age option in the middle.