Only 30 Civs in base game (+ Shawnee)

[queenpea]

Agree with the point but think the Civs are in pairs. Feel Russia would make more sense for Mongols then Meiji

Rome	Spain	France	Europe
Greece	Normans	Britain	Europe
Egypt	Songhai	Buganda	MENA
Aksum	Abbasid	Ottomans?	MENA
Maurya	Chola	Mughal	S and SE Asia
Khmer	Majaphahit	Siam	S and SE Asia
Han	Ming	Qing	Central and E Asia
Persia	Mongols	Russia	Central and E Asia
Mississippian	Shawnee/Hawaii	USA	Americas
Mayan	Inca	Mexico	Americas
		Meiji (DLC)
		Germany (DLC)

The Persia -> Mongols -> Russia path, while insane to me personally, is certainly in line with the Civ VII logic we have seen so far.

 

[Rac]

if the Red Star is the civ symbol as the 2 examples with the T-34 are showing, then it's more probably the USSR.

Unless it's a unique unit, I think it's unlikely that the Soviet's symbol would be just a simple 5-pointed star, and we know that civ colors aren't fixed, so it wouldn't always be a red star.
Although there are a lot of people turning their noses up at the possibility of new nations as civs, I'm almost certain that this will happen eventually (especially with India and China). I would also put the Soviet in this basket, but considering current geopolitics, I think it's very complicated and even a bad taste option to have them playable. And it's an unfortunate situation, both the Soviet and Ukraine won't be well-liked options for marketing, even Rus or Muscovy could be controversial, at least while the war continues. Russia, in its Czarist period, will probably appear (eventually or on launch) because it simply can't be ignored, but it will probably have strange things like the absence of Ukrainian cities in its city list, even though several of them are crucially important to the Russian Empire or even an avoidance of Cossacks perhaps.

 

[Nikolai II]

They are not going to leave out Germany. It‘s too big of a market, it‘s off too big historical importance and it creates a great triplet of Britian-France-Germany to counter each other in one era.

That matters more than some sort of symmetry or groups.

Now if the first DLC comes out within 2 months - maybe. But I just can‘t see it. Now with Russia, I can see a few reasons to leave it be for a few DLCs.

Partly agree. But does it have to be Germany as such? With the new way of dividing up civs, perhaps it will be Bavaria? Or Prussia?

 

[Gedemon]

Unless it's a unique unit, I think it's unlikely that the Soviet's symbol would be just a simple 5-pointed star, and we know that civ colors aren't fixed, so it wouldn't always be a red star.

oh, you're right, I forgot the changing colors.

 

[ColtSeavers]

The Persia -> Mongols -> Russia path, while insane to me personally, is certainly in line with the Civ VII logic we have seen so far.

Yes, this path is totally ridiculous, and shows how desperate they would have to be to come up with something like this. I guess, the DLCs will solve this, but the vanilla version is going to be joke for a lot of these "historical/ regional" routes.

 

[ColtSeavers]

Partly agree. But does it have to be Germany as such? With the new way of dividing up civs, perhaps it will be Bavaria? Or Prussia?

LoL, if they picked Bavaria, this would be an absolute laughing stock (happened though already, when they chose Ludwig for Civ 6, so who knows... .) Prussia maybe, but Bavaria never even came close to be the dominating state within Germany, it would be like Texas representing the entire US.

 

[Rac]

Yes, this path is totally ridiculous, and shows how desperate they would have to be to come up with something like this. I guess, the DLCs will solve this, but the vanilla version is going to be joke for a lot of these "historical/ regional" routes.

It isn't ridiculous, it's just indirect.
With the same logic you can justify Greece > Mongolia > Russia because of the Seleucid, Yavana and Bactria; as weel Han > Mongolia > Russia because of Manchuria. Again, probably Normandy > America will be a thing on launch, and that includes all the previous possible baggage (Rome and Greece, perhaps Goth latter), eventually in the future DLC's stuff like Kongo or Yoruba > America or Brazil will be historic valid options due demographics for example.

 

[ColtSeavers]

It isn't ridiculous, it's just indirect.
With the same logic you can justify Greece > Mongolia > Russia because of the Seleucid, Yavana and Bactria; as weel Han > Mongolia > Russia because of Manchuria. Again, probably Normandy > America will be a thing on launch, and that includes all the previous possible baggage (Rome and Greece, perhaps Goth latter), eventually in the future DLC's stuff like Kongo or Yoruba > America or Brazil will be historic valid options due demographics for example.

Well, you may call it indirect, I call it a strech too far. By this logic, you could also make Prussia the ancestors of the US or the Anglo Saxons the predecessors of India. Anyways, your examples show, how difficult it is going to be, to come up with a comprehensible historical/ regional path, which at least most of the players could agree to.

 

[TheGrayFox]

It isn't ridiculous, it's just indirect.
With the same logic you can justify Greece > Mongolia > Russia because of the Seleucid, Yavana and Bactria; as weel Han > Mongolia > Russia because of Manchuria. Again, probably Normandy > America will be a thing on launch, and that includes all the previous possible baggage (Rome and Greece, perhaps Goth latter), eventually in the future DLC's stuff like Kongo or Yoruba > America or Brazil will be historic valid options due demographics for example.

Nah respectfully, this ain't it dawg

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm acctually also sort of surprised, that the geopolical situation, or better said, the war that Russia is currently waging against Ukraine, hasn't been considered more in this discussion. I mean, Firaxis apparently tries to be very "policitally correct" (in the lack of a better word) with all of its Civ selection, but would pick Russia as a Modern state? Exploration Age (under Catherine the Great) maybe, but Modern Russia, seriously? Or are they maybe going for the Sovjet Union?

With the Modern Age presumably starting between 1600-1700, and presumably the Hermitage as a wonder, I think it will be Imperial Russia.

LoL, if they picked Bavaria, this would be an absolute laughing stock (happened though already, when they chose Ludwig for Civ 6, so who knows... .) Prussia maybe, but Bavaria never even came close to be the dominating state within Germany, it would be like Texas representing the entire US.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
We've seen the Brandenburg Gate as a wonder so if it's not called the German Empire, it will most certainly be Prussia.

 

[Xandinho]

They are not going to leave out Germany. It‘s too big of a market, it‘s off too big historical importance and it creates a great triplet of Britian-France-Germany to counter each other in one era.

There are other huge markets that won't be in the base game either. In fact, it might even be smart from a marketing perspective to launch bait to catch these big markets in DLCs.

 

[ColtSeavers]

You say that like it's a bad thing.
We've seen the Brandenburg Gate as a wonder so if it's not called the German Empire, it will most certainly be Prussia.

No offense! But I guess your countrymen wouldnt be too thrilled either, if America is solely represented by the lone star state...

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

I think once we get the north star state in the DLC things will settle.

 

[Lord Lakely]

LoL, if they picked Bavaria, this would be an absolute laughing stock (happened though already, when they chose Ludwig for Civ 6, so who knows... .) Prussia maybe, but Bavaria never even came close to be the dominating state within Germany, it would be like Texas representing the entire US.

Bavaria under Maximillian I wasn't a pushover state, and would be viable for an exploration German city.

But if Germany or Russia do miss out on the Modern Age, then I would suspect whoever is out in Act 3 shows up in Act 2 instead.

 

[Xandinho]

Bavaria under Maximillian I wasn't a pushover state, and would be viable for an exploration German city.

But if Germany or Russia do miss out on the Modern Age, then I would suspect whoever is out in Act 3 shows up in Act 2 instead.

There was a time when I thought about it too, and Germany would work pretty well represented as medieval civ (better than Russia, I believe, at least at launch). But at this point, we already know all the Exploration civs:
Confirmed: Normans, Spain, Abbasids, Chola, Ming, Songhai and Mongolia.
Not yet officially confirmed but already seen several times: Incas, Hawaii and Majapahit.
So there is nothing more in Exploration to be revealed.

 

[ColtSeavers]

Bavaria under Maximillian I wasn't a pushover state, and would be viable for an exploration German city.

Please no!!

 

[guilarroyd]

There was a time when I thought about it too, and Germany would work pretty well represented as medieval civ (better than Russia, I believe, at least at launch). But at this point, we already know all the Exploration civs:
Confirmed: Normans, Spain, Abbasids, Chola, Ming, Songhai and Mongolia.
Not yet officially confirmed but already seen several times: Incas, Hawaii and Majapahit.
So there is nothing more in Exploration to be revealed.

I don't think this hints are 100% correct because we need viable paths in a game with both the Mayas and the Mississippians for someone who doesn't have Shawnee DLC. I agree with Incas and Majapahit, but I expect something different from Hawaii in Exploration.

 

[Xandinho]

I don't think this hints are 100% correct because we need viable paths in a game with both the Mayas and the Mississippians for someone who doesn't have Shawnee DLC. I agree with Incas and Majapahit, but I expect something different from Hawaii in Exploration.

As strange as it may seem, I believe the Maya and Mississippians will transition into the Incas. There's a possibility, which I don't dismiss, that the Mississippians might transition into Hawaii and then to the America.

Many of these transitions will feel odd at launch, especially with such a narrow number of civs per era, but the DLCs will correct much of that.

 

[Siptah]

Please no!!

But I‘ve been suggesting him for years…

 

[Lord Lakely]

ColtSeavers lives in Saxony, confirmed.