But Africa actually had civilisation. The S.Pacific had small islands and primitive tribes. Not the same thing.Just like when people asks if there should be included an African (as S. Pacific) doesn't mean that that will never happen...
So? Canoing proficiency is not one of the factors attributed to the development of civilisation. Urbanisation, centralised government and writing, however, all are, and the Polynesians fall a little short in those areas.
But I never mentioned political unity, I said that the Polynesians were too primitive and to historically unimportant to deserve a place in the game.
No, it is not. You can build a thousand canoes and it doesn't make you anything more than a stone-age primitive. They can be good canoes, I accept that, and you can travel thousands of miles in the, but that doesn't change the fact that the prerequisites of civilisation are largely non-canoe-based.
No, it is simply that apparently some people- unfortunately this seems to include Firaxis themselves- seem to believe that Celtic or Norse culture ended as soon as those people adopted these features. The nations of Wales, Scotland and Ireland are the results of the Celts adopting "civilisation", while Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Icleand represent the same for the Norse.
I quite agree- the agrarian tribes were urbanised, or at least steadily on the way there. However, I was refering to the Polynesians, who were not.
Not really- they had settlements, but that's not necessarily the same thing.
Well, by "settlement" I meant that they did indeed have places of permanent settlement, but that they were very minor- I wasn't just getting into semantics. You see, "city", even detached from the level population, has implications about the divisions of labour and power government that were not found- at least not to any significant degree- across the vast majority of Polynesia.
