OT improvise rule

[Thunderfall]

As far as I am concern, this "improvise rule" you mentioned only targets those blatant trolling. You are not required to agree with everything the US or Bush does, you just need to state your criticism in a civilized manner. It really shouldn't be too hard to do.

 

[Raijer]

Originally posted by Thunderfall
You are not required to agree with everything the US or Bush does, you just need to state your criticism in a civilized manner. It really shouldn't be too hard to do.

Various quotes from Alcibiaties of Athenae on Feb. 20

- But this should go without saying, only the simple minded would fail to see it.

- No offense Sultan, but if you really belive that your an imbecile.

- No, supidity is the word that comes to mind.

- I see the stupidity persists.

Maybe being civilized is too hard after all.

 

[Phantom Lord]

Originally posted by Elden


Inded, the wordings the problem, it currently sounds like: If you bash the USA or Bush - BAN - if you bash any other country or leader thats OK!

***** I know(hope ?) it isn't meant like that but thats how it sounds *****

EDIT: My 100th post !!!

I did PM AoA with the same thought, asking to expand his rule to all democratic countries and their leaders. I got what I expected - no answer.

 

[Zcylen]

some people know I dont like bush but if I was a modarator even I have to stop the Bush bashing since there are rules that must be followed.
if people dont follow the rules then that place sucks! and thats not tha case of CFC.
only once I was "warned" but after that, several times I've critizised Bush and I havent recived any attack from the moderators.

 

[SunTzu]

You will never win a battle against me Tassadar, it is impossible. Your presence at these forums would not be missed, so if u don't like the forums then just leave.

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

I did PM AoA with the same thought, asking to expand his rule to all democratic countries and their leaders. I got what I expected - no answer.

An elected leader can still be a dictator, and non-elected leaders CAN be non-dictators.

There hasn't been a big problem with other nations leaders being bashed, which is why the rule is specifically about America/Bush bashing.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

I do not even consider it a separate rule from trolling, its just a specific example of the most common troll seen here.

 

[Phantom Lord]

Originally posted by gonzo_for_civ


An elected leader can still be a dictator, and non-elected leaders CAN be non-dictators.

There hasn't been a big problem with other nations leaders being bashed, which is why the rule is specifically about America/Bush bashing.

Maybe that's a question of the point of view one has.

Like many europeans I recently found myself being insulted by the comments of certain posters and a certain moderator. Asking for a rule to stop the bashing of other nations than the US was about making the OT more a peaceful and enjoyable place. In fact I have no real problem if someone who has no idea about Europe and not many ideas about anything else bashes Europe. This is the internet and I see a lot of data that don't make sense in it every day. I just thought that CFC is a great site - so why spoil it with such a unilateral rule instead of saying "stop bashing each other, folks, this is a game site and not www.fictional.propaganda.central.org".

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

The irony of that is that you posted a reply when the answer was posted 30 minutes before by lefty. Did you read the rest before posting?

I do not even consider it a separate rule from trolling, its just a specific example of the most common troll seen here.

No rule has changed, it's just a specific example of a common troll. If you have a problem, report it to a mod. If you have a problem with a mod, talk to TF.

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

It isn't hard to intelligently criticize the United States or George Bush in a civilized manner, Tassadar.

It is hard to intelligently defend them in a civilized manner, though, so expect a little more leniency on that side...

But I have watched bans come down for bashing other leaders/nations in ways that are innappropriate.

Learn to argue with your brain and not your heart, gut, or nether regions. Rise above condescending and rude responses or simply ignore them.

 

[Archer 007]

Exactly, you aren't exspected to agree with everyone opinion. What you are required to do is to respect the other posters and the staff.

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

Well stated archer. In fact, if everyone agreed, it could get quite boring.

 

[Raijer]

Originally posted by archer
Exactly, you aren't exspected to agree with everyone opinion. What you are required to do is to respect the other posters and the staff.

This is precisely the point I was trying to make, and kudos to archer for making it far more succinctly than I. It seems as though everyone's gone off the deep end, and holed themselves into extremist camps, whether they be left or right leaning. We want, and very much need, discussion, not insults. We need answers, not propaganda. This can olny come about if the basis -the very foundation of our discussion is based on respect. Ideas, either left or right, do not come out of a vacuum, and as such, both sides need to be heard.

 

[Darkness]

Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
It isn't hard to intelligently criticize the United States or George Bush in a civilized manner, Tassadar.

It is hard to intelligently defend them in a civilized manner, though, so expect a little more leniency on that side...

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by gonzo_for_civ


An elected leader can still be a dictator, and non-elected leaders CAN be non-dictators.

There hasn't been a big problem with other nations leaders being bashed, which is why the rule is specifically about America/Bush bashing.

I take it that Europe is exempt from the rule too.

I have seen MUCHO bashing of Europe!

 

[Stapel]

Originally posted by Thunderfall
As far as I am concern, this "improvise rule" you mentioned only targets those blatant trolling. You are not required to agree with everything the US or Bush does, you just need to state your criticism in a civilized manner. It really shouldn't be too hard to do.

Maybe we need 'rules' on 'what is civilized and what is not'. Or on 'what is trolling and what is not'.

I was banned once (and lifted immediatly) for calling a mod 'silly'. The same mod feels free to call a poster an 'imbecile'.

IMHO calling a poster an imbecile is worse than someone calling our Queen Beatrix (just to campare things) a dictator for instance.

Just my opinion BTW! If the forum stays as it is, it's still a wonderful forum!

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

I have seen MUCHO bashing of Europe!

I'll assume, of course, that it has been reported.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by Stapel
Maybe we need 'rules' on 'what is civilized and what is not'. Or on 'what is trolling and what is not'.

If you thought about it, you wouldn't.

I was banned once (and lifted immediatly) for calling a mod 'silly'. The same mod feels free to call a poster an 'imbecile'.

An out and out lie.
You were lifted from the ban because you appologised for defying authority privately, and I called nobody an imbecile, as Sultan can attest.
What I said, EXACTLY, since some of your prefer to distort matters, is"No offense Sultan, If you really believe that your an imbecile" in reference to calling the US President a INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST.
Sure changes things from your distortion, now doesn't it?

IMHO calling a poster an imbecile is worse than someone calling our Queen Beatrix (just to campare things) a dictator for instance.

Just my opinion BTW! If the forum stays as it is, it's still a wonderful forum!

Your comparison is unfair, and further proof why such threads only cause problems.
Posters feel free to distort and quote out of context.
YOU should feel especailly ashamed, you created a DL to apologize for your hubris, and now I see you post something slanted deliberately to make me look bad.
Makes me doubt your sincerity, that will be noted for future reference.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by Phantom Lord
I did PM AoA with the same thought, asking to expand his rule to all democratic countries and their leaders. I got what I expected - no answer.

I get far to many PMs to answer every single PM.

Nor was something like that needed, I have YET to see a SINGLE post that called Chirac or Schoerder a dictator, or called either nations terrorist aggessors.

It is a fact they disagree with US, saying so, and that their reasons for doing so are suspect isn't bashing.

Another example of why these threads cause only hostility, another poster attempts to paint me in a bad light.

I find these back-handed swipes at me rather childish, since they are politcally driven.

You have a complaint about moderation?

Point it out.

Or do you have a complaint about my political views.

Two DIFFERENT things.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by Raijer

Maybe being civilized is too hard after all.

Rather childish to take quotes out of context, now isn't it?

Or is that to "immpolite" for you.